I'm all for quality of life / bugfixes (Tormentor set taunt on ww leap plz ZoS !) but after months refining a werewolf build i feel i'm wrecking anyone that isn't outplaying me in duel/BG.
I think we got into a sweet spot with werewolf being a powerful enough tool for someone showing dedication to it, but not overly powerful so that all the stamina builds include it and it gets eventually nerfed.
Curious to know your thoughs on this though.
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »So while I am definitely enjoying the BoB build in Cyrodiil, I've also tried it in BGs and realized that it's really missing some sustain without CP. The heals are great but you can only get a couple of them off before you're dry. Also with jabs being broken and all the lag, the damage output is kinda sub-par in human form. I was considering two variants of this build for BGs, tell me what you think.
Damage and heals:
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Senche's bite
With a higher focus on mobility
OR
Tanky with WW burst
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Pariah
With SnB back bar
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »So while I am definitely enjoying the BoB build in Cyrodiil, I've also tried it in BGs and realized that it's really missing some sustain without CP. The heals are great but you can only get a couple of them off before you're dry. Also with jabs being broken and all the lag, the damage output is kinda sub-par in human form. I was considering two variants of this build for BGs, tell me what you think.
Damage and heals:
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Senche's bite
With a higher focus on mobility
OR
Tanky with WW burst
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Pariah
With SnB back bar
Sounds like some decent setups. Only tried the BoB setup in BattleGrounds and got the same impression as you did. That build works best in CP-environment. But for no-CP Shackle is a great choice.
Think someone did some tests regarding Pariah vs Fortified brass a few months ago (might be able to find the thread again). IF (big if here) I remember correctly, Pariah will outperform Fortified Brass once you fall below 50-60% HP, which isn´t very favourable as a werewolf. But since both Shackle and Fortified are crafted sets, Pariah is a decent option.
Something you can do as well if you don´t want to run Pariah is to swap out Molag Kena for Mighty Chudan and run with a damage set as you 2nd 5 piece set. I personally like Blooddrinker as a damage set. In WW-form you already have a lot of burst and with Blooddrinker you can put some really nasty pressure on your enemies. Another great set for no-CP is Wyrd Tree.
KharnTheUndying wrote: »Which morph of werewolf do you guys prefer for bgs and open world,berserker or pack leader?
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »So while I am definitely enjoying the BoB build in Cyrodiil, I've also tried it in BGs and realized that it's really missing some sustain without CP. The heals are great but you can only get a couple of them off before you're dry. Also with jabs being broken and all the lag, the damage output is kinda sub-par in human form. I was considering two variants of this build for BGs, tell me what you think.
Damage and heals:
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Senche's bite
With a higher focus on mobility
OR
Tanky with WW burst
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Pariah
With SnB back bar
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »So while I am definitely enjoying the BoB build in Cyrodiil, I've also tried it in BGs and realized that it's really missing some sustain without CP. The heals are great but you can only get a couple of them off before you're dry. Also with jabs being broken and all the lag, the damage output is kinda sub-par in human form. I was considering two variants of this build for BGs, tell me what you think.
Damage and heals:
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Senche's bite
With a higher focus on mobility
OR
Tanky with WW burst
5/1/1 heavy
2x Molag Kena
5x Shacklebreaker
5x Pariah
With SnB back bar
I jumped into a BG this morning after seeing this and recorded. Now I am not saying that these opponents were the best or the worst. As far as I could tell no one in there was a premade team. I just wanted to showcase some of the sustain tricks like light attack oriented dps and heavy attacking off balance opponents.
Beast of Bruma build in no CP BG. Enjoy!
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Trying to figure out if SnB is worth having on my WW ult bar. This raises some questions:
Are dual axes preferred because of their own bleed chance outside of WW?
Or is it cause they increase WW bleed?
Does weapon damage on the axes affect WW damage?
If so, wouldn't it be best to have 2 nirn axes?
Do weapon enchantments transfer to WW form?
I wish I could have the time to research and test all this myself but the only time I have to theorycraft is during downtime at work so any answers are always appreciated.
Nice footage ! We should team up for some BG sometimes.
On a similar note, the streamer i was watching today made a stop to a well known dueling ground today, so i started my game and went to perform some werewolf promotion.
Here you can see my duel build from his perspective
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/234006397?t=03h05m30s
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »Trying to figure out if SnB is worth having on my WW ult bar. This raises some questions:
Are dual axes preferred because of their own bleed chance outside of WW?
Or is it cause they increase WW bleed?
Does weapon damage on the axes affect WW damage?
If so, wouldn't it be best to have 2 nirn axes?
Do weapon enchantments transfer to WW form?
I wish I could have the time to research and test all this myself but the only time I have to theorycraft is during downtime at work so any answers are always appreciated.
You can put WW on dual wield bar for more damage, or on shield bar for more durability.
Pro for shield bar :
- Shield armor stays in WW
- Shield enchant stays in WW (sweet tri-stat)
- Shield trait stays in WW (impen all the way!)
Con for shield bar :
- Only one weapon enchant so need infused berserker on main hand
Pro for dual wield bar :
- Can run infused berserker off hand
- Can run nirn with another enchant main hand
Weapon passives do not carry over to Werewolf form.
I used to slot WW on my shield bar, but now i slot it on my dual wield bar.
Waffennacht wrote: »Not exactly what happens but you get kicked out of WW form but it says you're in form, so it won't let you barswap until you do an ult dump
Waffennacht wrote: »Not exactly what happens but you get kicked out of WW form but it says you're in form, so it won't let you barswap until you do an ult dump
They fixed this bug on monday for PC
I'm currently using a 5 medium/2 heavy build for BG:
2x Chudan
5x Truth
5x Automaton
The burst potential with this setup is insane and Auto buffs everything other than the disease Claw DOT... it's very strong. I use blue stam/HP food to keep my HP high enough to take advantage of the nearly capped resistances in WW form. The build feels really strong.
datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »I'm currently using a 5 medium/2 heavy build for BG:
2x Chudan
5x Truth
5x Automaton
The burst potential with this setup is insane and Auto buffs everything other than the disease Claw DOT... it's very strong. I use blue stam/HP food to keep my HP high enough to take advantage of the nearly capped resistances in WW form. The build feels really strong.
How do you stay alive?
KharnTheUndying wrote: »Need some advice from fellow wolfs i have orc stam sorc werewolf,im level 37 and running dw because of deadly cloak and blood craze and 2h with shacklebreaker and salvation but i seem to die really quickly in under 50 bgs,should i use other sets for better heals or switch dw for sword and board,any tips would be appreciated?
What about pirate/iron blood?Pack Leader moprh is really weak. Best part of it is the potential for enemies to mistakenly target the wolves, saving you some resources. Used to be better since the wolves counted as bodies for AOE cap damage reduction, but that is gone as of this patch. You could use that morph with the Hunt Leader and Morkuldin sets, but I'm not sure how viable it is!Sounds fun though. Also, "Mark of the Pariah: Outperforms all other [defensive] sets when less than ~68% HP."
Waffennacht wrote: »datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »I'm currently using a 5 medium/2 heavy build for BG:
2x Chudan
5x Truth
5x Automaton
The burst potential with this setup is insane and Auto buffs everything other than the disease Claw DOT... it's very strong. I use blue stam/HP food to keep my HP high enough to take advantage of the nearly capped resistances in WW form. The build feels really strong.
How do you stay alive?
That's the exact issue I have running these sets on a WW, the moment you get 2 or 3 players on you, you're dead.
Much rather play with defensive sets and use the WW buffs to get to decent stats
What about pirate/iron blood?Pack Leader moprh is really weak. Best part of it is the potential for enemies to mistakenly target the wolves, saving you some resources. Used to be better since the wolves counted as bodies for AOE cap damage reduction, but that is gone as of this patch. You could use that morph with the Hunt Leader and Morkuldin sets, but I'm not sure how viable it is!Sounds fun though. Also, "Mark of the Pariah: Outperforms all other [defensive] sets when less than ~68% HP."
Waffennacht wrote: »datoliteb16_ESO wrote: »I'm currently using a 5 medium/2 heavy build for BG:
2x Chudan
5x Truth
5x Automaton
The burst potential with this setup is insane and Auto buffs everything other than the disease Claw DOT... it's very strong. I use blue stam/HP food to keep my HP high enough to take advantage of the nearly capped resistances in WW form. The build feels really strong.
How do you stay alive?
That's the exact issue I have running these sets on a WW, the moment you get 2 or 3 players on you, you're dead.
Much rather play with defensive sets and use the WW buffs to get to decent stats
Oh buddy, can I duel your WW?
Waffennacht wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »Need some advice from fellow wolfs i have orc stam sorc werewolf,im level 37 and running dw because of deadly cloak and blood craze and 2h with shacklebreaker and salvation but i seem to die really quickly in under 50 bgs,should i use other sets for better heals or switch dw for sword and board,any tips would be appreciated?
If you're medium you have to utilize roll dodge and hots to live (i.e. vigor) imo medium is the less forgiving playstyle.
In CP WW (cuz gotta adjust for non CP) I run Impregnable + medium brass + TK so essentially heavy armor with medium Passives
I'm getting 70% crit damage Reduction and then have maxish resistance, in WW getting over max to deal with penetration. Running health + lingering health pot, TK, and steal health poisons
In WW form I have 3.6-3.9kish wpn DMG and 39k Stam so I don't hit as hard as other WW but still hit as hard as any normal DMG spec.
In normal form I'm a paperweight that can kill glass cannons only. I just build ult and go WW asap
RGvolterra wrote: »Afternoon mates ,
How are you all ? Guys like most of you I’m that passionate about WW and therefore I’ve been playing eso since day one though most of us agree to the fact that the WW skill tree needs a overhaul in order to meet all the improvements brought towards all the other classes in the game. When one considers playing as a WW ones finds very hard to adapt and address all the challenges that they constantly face in the battlefield. Vampirism has proved to be the most seek world class due to its useful and powerful passives ... yet , I love playing as a WW and will carry on playing
Mates after all that discussion about finding the right balance to make the WW more playable in PvP scenario , I’d like to know if any of you have already tried Dreugh king slayer paired with Pelinals... I’ve just thought of adjusting one of my wolf characters to these 2 sets. Any hint ?
RGvolterra wrote: »Afternoon mates ,
How are you all ? Guys like most of you I’m that passionate about WW and therefore I’ve been playing eso since day one though most of us agree to the fact that the WW skill tree needs a overhaul in order to meet all the improvements brought towards all the other classes in the game. When one considers playing as a WW ones finds very hard to adapt and address all the challenges that they constantly face in the battlefield. Vampirism has proved to be the most seek world class due to its useful and powerful passives ... yet , I love playing as a WW and will carry on playing
Mates after all that discussion about finding the right balance to make the WW more playable in PvP scenario , I’d like to know if any of you have already tried Dreugh king slayer paired with Pelinals... I’ve just thought of adjusting one of my wolf characters to these 2 sets. Any hint ?