TOPIC: Woes of unprepared players in vet dungeons.
ME: I'm a 660+ (don't know what I'll be when you read this) tank. I'm light hearted but serious about being the best tank I can. I am not a group snob. When I get a bad group I actually see that as a fun test of my tanking skills. Point being, this is not coming from some elite group snob mentality. My standards to group with me is very low.
MY MOMENT OF CRISIS: I'm starting a vet city of ash 2 group and before we ever make it to the badlands portal I stop and watch my TEAM have an epic 60-90 second struggle with one of those little grabby plants on the path. Literally. They just couldn't kill it for a seriously long time, this was after I had hit it with a torug boosted infused crusher enchant, on a piercing taunt strike. I finally sheathed my blade and just watched them fight it. I'm sitting there thinking how in seventeen hours when we make it to skoria that I'm going to get to watch them try this on the boss as he plunges us into lava. I stick around for a few more trash fights just to make sure the DPS in our group aren't just being silly, but no, its real. I leave as politely as I can. I wait my time for re-queu and get placed in same group. This time one of the DPS has left and a shiny new 690 is there. I figure what the heck maybe this dude will change it. I watch him spam nothing but flurry for the entire fight with the guardians of the gate into the badlands, and I still think with all my tank gear I could have out DPS'd my whole team. Around 15 minutes later when the guardians are finally dead I leave.
MY IDEA: Have a second group queue for veteran only where you have to get certified for your position. You'd have a normal dungeon wait list, a veteran one, and a undaunted certified veteran one. Once every two weeks or so, you have to do a fun little quest to be allowed into the certified list. You'd certify for any specific role with a given character. You could make it so fun to do even! You go to a nice little shiny arena where the undaunted folk test you to give you their approval. Tanks could have the task of keeping mobs out of a target circle where your only task is to taunt the mobs that try to go there and not die as they hit you. They'd have huge health so you have to take the beating rather than kill them. Simple matter of can you taunt and are you made of paper. Healer has to keep a couple NPC's alive as they stand in a damage circle. DPS literally have to hit a target dummy and do a certain damage amount in a time limit. I'm NOT talking about Maelstrom difficulty here, make it really easy. Make the DPS pull off a mere 8k dps or something. Make the tank show he can taunt and hold three mobs for all I care. But make sure they at least are remotely aware of their roll. And it would be FUN !! You could make a cool neat little story process of it where the undaunted do a simple skill check before throwing you to the wolves. Anybody could still play normal anytime, anybody could still do the veteran anytime. But we'd have a finder where we are dealing with certified mercenaries knowing we are getting people at least vaguely aware of their role. End rant.