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Should there be a CP catch up mechanic? Should we be able to buy them?
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭LadyAstrum wrote: »If ESO took the route OP is suggesting it would deserve the inevitable death that would follow. I'm only 303 CP (been playing 4, nearly 5 months) and I am entirely undaunted by the CP cap. Just play the game, gaining CP's (and levels) is part of playing the game. Make it too easy and people will complain they've got nothing to do. Threads like: "I purchased a max CP scroll...now what?" would pop up.
Play the game. Get to know your skills. Level your char. If someone is too casual for that, perhaps try single-player games.
100% I have played the game for 4 years now and I have seen people grind CP, buy accounts and it changes nothing they still don't know how to play the game and L2P4 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
4 days of how many hours per day? And how many Skyreach runs? Enough to make you want to quit the game out of boredom?
Im sorry to say it but literally four days 24 hours each day someone did a live stream after they where perma banned and they made a new account. They 100% no life the game for 4 days
So potentially 2 days to obtain a capped character? That's wayyyyyyy too easy. Anyone remember runescape back in the day? A single crafting skill line could take months. 2 days is a bit lax, maybe they should slow it down a little.
Tbh, exp gains SHOULD be slower, and enlightenment should not only be capped, but an account bound toggle. Maybe you get 1hr a day, caps at 5hrs, you can use it when you WANT to grind. Instant gratification in mmos is an all to real poison. And once you give and inch people demand miles.
Edited by Ep1kMalware on February 24, 2018 11:28AM2 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
New players won't care about CP. By the time they play through the base game, they will either figure out that forcing themselves to catch up asap makes no sense or they will be able to aquire at least that gold training gear.
This as well I know when I first started playing all I cared about was playing, doing quest, playing the story, trying to make a run to pvp land not knowing I had to que to get inside..... I just played the game and got to VR1 and went back to pvp..... and left after knowing VR 1 was the one of the weaker toons to play with and just went back and forth between pvp and pve and just enjoying life inside eso1 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭ZOS rescale champion exp each patch.
The amount of experience required to reach the cap stays constant.
That's simply not true. If it were true then being 690 before the last CP increase would automatically put you at 720 after the patch. They say they "adjust" the experience but nobody really knows what that implies.0 -
Ajaxduo✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
Then make all purple gear and max your cp in 2 weeks instead of 1. You will still be a worthless player that noone wants to group with. CP should be a sign of skill, as it is now with all the skyreach grinding lowlvls, CPs dont mean much anymore. And if it would be buyable wich i hope will NEVER happen then CPs will loose all its meaning.
Who runs legendary training gear anyway? Also 4 Psijic Ambrosias are roughly 10-12k and last 50 minutes each with passives. You earn plenty of gold in this game from selling junk.
As others have said, there already is a catch up mechanic, CPs are front loaded, there is also enlightenment and XP events.
Just no.- - -
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭No, that makes no sense to me evenmakes less sense then grinding CP.
Why are you playing catch up, it doesnt change the game that much imo.
If you dont like playing now you still wont like it when your CP3600.
At least it shows now that we have spend alot of time in ESO.English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm2 -
Aeslief✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
4 days of how many hours per day? And how many Skyreach runs? Enough to make you want to quit the game out of boredom?
If you are only playing the game to make your CP number go up, you deserve to be bored. You will also deserve all the vote kicks you are going to get because you are joining max content without ever having learned how to play.
I’ve played games where credit card heroes could push that max for cash button. They left the game bored and frustrated because they had nothing to work for and no one would group with them.3 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.1 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD1 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »There is a CP catch-up mechanic, it's called enlightenment, and the experience requirements for the lower CP levels are heavily reduced each patch to allow you to catch up.
As much as I love EVE, this is not EVE. EVE's business model does not belong in this game, and if you want that, you should go play EVE.
Earn what you have.
This is spot on. With enlightenment, I gain 2-3 levels with a random daily dungeon. I'm only at 430, but for what I get to play, I feel like I'm catching up quite well. I have taken a few breaks since starting my new account last year (bought the gold edition for $30 on sale), and I don't get to play as much as I used to, but the catch up mechanic seems quite fair. Please do not suggest buying CP for gold or money, it's a horribly slippery slope from there.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
Edited by TequilaFire on February 24, 2018 1:55PM0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
Just go look up the YouTube video and go look up his twitch stream and go find the videos and stop crying0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
And most of us don't need to exploit anything in this game even right now I play on Xbox NA I have over 100 million gold "easy 50k every 20 mins if you know what you're doing" and over the CP cap "1055" and I have been playing on PC as well just made an account a week ago and im.almost at 500 CP it's easy to grind gold and CP in this game if you understand what your doing. Just because you can't does not mean it's cheating or anything like that it comes down to L2PEdited by Unfadingsilence on February 24, 2018 2:02PM0 -
neverwalk✭✭✭✭just shy of 1000 cp, i could take a full year off of playing ESO and come back and still be MAXED OUT. CP is easy to get in this game. imo, i think cp should be shut down once you hit CAP, that way when update happens you have something to achieve.0 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭There already is a CP catchup mechanic. The exp required per level drops every time the cap increases. Nothing else is needed or acceptable to the player base who earned their CP.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
Just go look up the YouTube video and go look up his twitch stream and go find the videos and stop crying
Nobodies crying.Edited by TequilaFire on February 24, 2018 2:50PM0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
I like throwing random insults too!, do you beg mommy to buy you crowns?1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
And most of us don't need to exploit anything in this game even right now I play on Xbox NA I have over 100 million gold "easy 50k every 20 mins if you know what you're doing" and over the CP cap "1055" and I have been playing on PC as well just made an account a week ago and im.almost at 500 CP it's easy to grind gold and CP in this game if you understand what your doing. Just because you can't does not mean it's cheating or anything like that it comes down to L2P
Whoop dee doo, what has this got to do with new players being overwhelmed by the stupid CP system?
I have 3 PSN accounts and a PC account since Beta but that has nothing to do with the subject.
Edited by TequilaFire on February 24, 2018 2:07PM0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
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Any new player can look up videos on YouTube and find ways to make this easy game even easier. Is gold hard to get? Look up a video 50k gold every 20 mins. Is grinding hard? 0 CP to CAP in a matter of days no one is overwhelmed in this game unless you don't understand how to play it and where to look for help at. And why do you have 3 PSN accounts do you sell gold? Or sell accounts? Are you doing something that goes against the TOS?? maybe someone should look into that cuz there is no reason ANYONE should have that many you just need 1 account for PS4 one for NA and EU same for PC and Xbox unless you're up to something......TequilaFire wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
And most of us don't need to exploit anything in this game even right now I play on Xbox NA I have over 100 million gold "easy 50k every 20 mins if you know what you're doing" and over the CP cap "1055" and I have been playing on PC as well just made an account a week ago and im.almost at 500 CP it's easy to grind gold and CP in this game if you understand what your doing. Just because you can't does not mean it's cheating or anything like that it comes down to L2P
Whoop dee doo, what has this got to do with new players being overwhelmed by the stupid CP system?
I have 3 PSN accounts and a PC account since Beta but that has nothing to do with the subject.0 -
JasonSilverSpring✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »ZOS rescale champion exp each patch.
The amount of experience required to reach the cap stays constant.
That's simply not true. If it were true then being 690 before the last CP increase would automatically put you at 720 after the patch. They say they "adjust" the experience but nobody really knows what that implies.
My understanding is that it is not retroactive, but the experience needed at each CP is adjusted. But, I believe that someone reaching level 50 today would need the same experience to get to CP 720 as someone in the past to get to CP 690.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Any new player can look up videos on YouTube and find ways to make this easy game even easier. Is gold hard to get? Look up a video 50k gold every 20 mins. Is grinding hard? 0 CP to CAP in a matter of days no one is overwhelmed in this game unless you don't understand how to play it and where to look for help at. And why do you have 3 PSN accounts do you sell gold? Or sell accounts? Are you doing something that goes against the TOS?? maybe someone should look into that cuz there is no reason ANYONE should have that many you just need 1 account for PS4 one for NA and EU same for PC and Xbox unless you're up to something......TequilaFire wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »I call total bull on being able to grind out 720 CP in four days.
Even if you were being fed intravenously doing methamphetamine and sitting on the toilet.
There was a ps4 player who was permanently banned who made a new account and lived streamed it on twitch it took 4 days and 10 hours
He was already told that, if he's not willing to think critically I wouldn't waste you're breath xD
More like thinking exploiting which is probably more your thing.
Let's see you do it, prove it.
And most of us don't need to exploit anything in this game even right now I play on Xbox NA I have over 100 million gold "easy 50k every 20 mins if you know what you're doing" and over the CP cap "1055" and I have been playing on PC as well just made an account a week ago and im.almost at 500 CP it's easy to grind gold and CP in this game if you understand what your doing. Just because you can't does not mean it's cheating or anything like that it comes down to L2P
Whoop dee doo, what has this got to do with new players being overwhelmed by the stupid CP system?
I have 3 PSN accounts and a PC account since Beta but that has nothing to do with the subject.
I have accounts because I want to nothing against TOS.
No normal person is going to grind like that even if it is possible, you really need to get a grip.
Sorry OP for derail.
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We actually have a catch-up system. Cp cost is automatically adjusted, so your 11th cp would cost 40k or so, and your 1000th would be close to a million. Enlightment always give you 400k worth of exp so new players can catch up.LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
New and casual player wont benefit from those extra cp.
When you reach level 50, you get 10 days worth or enlightment (or something like that) which allows you to reach 160 insanely fast. The road from 160 to 300 is also pretty short, and then you stop gaining stats and get hit by diminishing returns.
People think that they must obtain max cp rank asap, I've even seen one in Grahtwood, asking where Craglorn is (he wanted to go to Skyreach but couldnt find it).
This game has a lot to offer and there is scaling system, so new players can do pretty much anything (except vet content) from the start.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Sigtric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have several thought about this
1. No
2. What do casual players need to be at cp cap for?
3. No
4. Buying cp is not going to help you suck less
5. No
6. Also no
7. And no.
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Doctor_Zeuss✭✭✭No thanks!
I’ve played this game a little bit here and there since beta on pc, and I recently started really digging into it on PS4. I just hit CP160 yesterday so I’m one who would “benefit” from something like this, and I’m totally against it.
To put it bluntly, just play the game. Buying progress in a video game is not a good idea.1 -
jssriot✭✭✭✭✭
✭The more ZOS makes it easier for people to level, the more people are going to demand it to be made easier. ZOS created this monster, which is why I continually complain about how easy it is to level up now, with xp pots, xp scrolls and xp events.
People are lazy and just want things handed to them. Meanwhile, those of us who have spent time getting to know how to play this game have to put up with these sorry people who level up a toon to cp160 in a few days, who don't know how to play their toon or have all their needed skills leveled but expect better players who have invested the time in getting good to carry them through a dungeon or a trial so they can get the monster helm or gear they want.Then they scream "CP elitist!!!"when you try to explain why they aren't ready and that they need to go learn how to play the game. I'm ****ing tired of this baby **** and I can't be the only one.PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.4 -
Valkysas154✭✭✭✭✭Well we already got research scrolls -p2w- imo i don't see why they can't add enlightenment scrolls a well.
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"The tide goes in, the tide goes out, nobody can explain that."clocksstoppe wrote: »They say they "adjust" the experience but nobody really knows what that implies.
Oh wait, actually we can and we do. The CP re-scaling when the cap is raised has been explained in detail here on the forums.
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