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Should there be a CP catch up mechanic? Should we be able to buy them?
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 daysEdited by Unfadingsilence on February 24, 2018 4:26AM5 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »$50 per CP. Bring your wallet and enjoy.
I was thinking the "Champion Packs" could be 1000 crowns each and give 10 CP.
That's too expensive. If they're gonna sell them, at least let people hit the CP cap for like $100 or something in that range. $720 is ridiculous.
If CP was character bound, I'd agree, but it's not.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU3 -
WakeYourGhost✭✭✭✭✭Up next from (The ironically named) "Knowledge" -
"Should we be able to get raw Mats from the Crown Store?"Edited by WakeYourGhost on February 24, 2018 4:32AM11 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.Edited by LiquidPony on February 24, 2018 5:02AM3 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
New players won't care about CP. By the time they play through the base game, they will either figure out that forcing themselves to catch up asap makes no sense or they will be able to aquire at least that gold training gear.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU5 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
My point exactly.0 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Autumnhart wrote: »That's what all those double XP festival buffs are for.
I think we need something that caters to everyone's play time.1 -
Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
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Again, enlightenment.Autumnhart wrote: »That's what all those double XP festival buffs are for.
I think we need something that caters to everyone's play time.
Stacks for up to 12 days at a time in order to gain CP at an already ridiculously reduced cost, at 4x the normal rate.
Stats stop at 300, most stars are frontloaded. Gear stops at 160, and most content is scaled and completeable at well below max CP.
If you can't manage to play a few hours once every 12 days, max CP is never gonna apply to you anyway.
Do a little bit of anything every few days and you'll hit, and pass the cap.
Take your instant gratification elsewhere. It's bad enough for the poor players that grinded their way to max CP and can't play worth a damn.
Those that would buy it would be even worse.
Earn your levels or expect to stay behind - there is little to nothing in this game that requires it the moment you roll over L50.
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on February 26, 2018 1:36PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
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DoctorESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
4 days of how many hours per day? And how many Skyreach runs? Enough to make you want to quit the game out of boredom?1 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is yet another terrible idea. Instant CP would instantly degrade endgame PvE. Clueless newbs need to earn their CP along with experience or the CP becomes useless and a liability.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa4 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭CP is a terrible idea in and of its self. It doesn't cater to the modern MMO market well. World of Warcraft centers around a level cap with gear progression after. This bottomless pit leveling is not something many people enjoy. Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?2 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We already see the damage quick progression has on vet PvE through CP grinding. The number of clueless newbs with high CP from grinding is ridiculous.
You need to play the game to learn the game and earn the right to play endgame the right way: with experience and skills gained by hours and hours of playtime.
Stop trying to get everything handed to you on a silver platter. Not only is it bad for you, its bad for the game.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa6 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?
If you like this game, then play this game.
This game is about earned skill progression by playing the game, not by opening your wallet. If you want instant gratification, there are heaps of lesser MMOs that offer that.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa9 -
SilverIce58✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CP is a terrible idea in and of its self. It doesn't cater to the modern MMO market well. World of Warcraft centers around a level cap with gear progression after. This bottomless pit leveling is not something many people enjoy. Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?
If you like this game, you wouldn't be thinking about ways to make it worse, you'd actually be playing it. The amount of time that you spend on these forums OP, would be better spent in game earning those CP that you're trying to buy.PC - NACP 1125
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ErMurazor✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
Then make all purple gear and max your cp in 2 weeks instead of 1. You will still be a worthless player that noone wants to group with. CP should be a sign of skill, as it is now with all the skyreach grinding lowlvls, CPs dont mean much anymore. And if it would be buyable wich i hope will NEVER happen then CPs will loose all its meaning.Edited by ErMurazor on February 24, 2018 6:51AM4 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As other people have said, Enlightenment IS the catch-up mechanic.
Please no skill points or CP for sale in the crown store, EVER. Don't want this game to become a pay-to-win monster.3 -
AlienatedGoat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SilverIce58 wrote: »CP is a terrible idea in and of its self. It doesn't cater to the modern MMO market well. World of Warcraft centers around a level cap with gear progression after. This bottomless pit leveling is not something many people enjoy. Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?
If you like this game, you wouldn't be thinking about ways to make it worse, you'd actually be playing it. The amount of time that you spend on these forums OP, would be better spent in game earning those CP that you're trying to buy.
Well put.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa2 -
Jura23✭✭✭✭✭
✭CP is a terrible idea in and of its self. It doesn't cater to the modern MMO market well. World of Warcraft centers around a level cap with gear progression after. This bottomless pit leveling is not something many people enjoy. Some will say, "Go play something else" well, what if we like this game?
I hate gear progression on the other hand. It forces me to run group PvE for hours if I want to have "gold" gear. Here in ESO I can choose from multiple ways how to obtain my geat and it's always top tier.Georgion - Bosmer/Templar - PC/EU2 -
LadyAstrum✭✭✭✭✭
✭If ESO took the route OP is suggesting it would deserve the inevitable death that would follow. I'm only 303 CP (been playing 4, nearly 5 months) and I am entirely undaunted by the CP cap. Just play the game, gaining CP's (and levels) is part of playing the game. Make it too easy and people will complain they've got nothing to do. Threads like: "I purchased a max CP scroll...now what?" would pop up.
Play the game. Get to know your skills. Level your char. If someone is too casual for that, perhaps try single-player games.~ "You think me brutish? How do you imagine I view you?" - Molag Bal #misunderstood ~5 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While I agree with the majority saying no, cp's shouldn't be bought, I disagree saying they don't matter...here's why..
https://imgur.com/dcO6yfF
Just to be clear, I also think skill matters way more than CP. The problem is the player base. This is a pug for normal AA...one of the easiest trials to do on normal. I talked my way into a pug for this at level 26, no cp's when I first joined the EU server from NA, and I didn't die once. Asking for only 400+ cp's is overkill. And this is sadly the norm I see in chat everyday. (And yes, I do run things with my guild, but outside of our runs I may still want to do trials. It's not a either or thing most people on the forum like to spout.)
CP's do matter, If only for the content the player base will let you join. Sad, but true.Edited by Kel on February 24, 2018 9:23AM0 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
They have it already =.=0 -
Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What you’re suggesting is the definition of P2W. CP heavily influence power. Absolutely not. You can already affect the leveling system through Ambrosia and XP scrolls. That’s enough.2 -
Ep1kMalware✭✭✭✭✭
✭Peekachu99 wrote: »What you’re suggesting is the definition of P2W. CP heavily influence power. Absolutely not. You can already affect the leveling system through Ambrosia and XP scrolls. That’s enough.
Don't forget enlightenment and the massive exp you can get from a random dungeon.4 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭LiquidPony wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
Right, because all gold training gear and mythic aetherial ambrosia (40-50,000g per hour or so?) are exactly the kinds of things that new and casual players just have lying around.
My point exactly.
Then grind out gold 50k every 20 mins GGEdited by Unfadingsilence on February 24, 2018 11:13AM0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »As the champion point cap is gradually raised the casual players are left feeling like they are in a never-ending grind to catch-up. Why not offer an alternative similar to EVE Online? EVE Online allows you to purchase skillpoints for your character. Why not allow players in ESO to buy "Champion Packs" on the Crown Store similar to mount speed and inventory space?
All gold training gear and 150% experience pots takes 4 days to go from 0 to 690 CP and if you wait for a double experience event with the 150% experience pots..... you can just grind your little heart out and hit max in only 2 days
4 days of how many hours per day? And how many Skyreach runs? Enough to make you want to quit the game out of boredom?
Im sorry to say it but literally four days 24 hours each day someone did a live stream after they where perma banned and they made a new account. They 100% no life the game for 4 days0
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