NB is the most balanced class in game. Though 100% dot supression seems a bit strong in general, should be 50% and no reveal. Dots suck ow.
When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
magblades don't have a burst heal and siphoning attacks got imo really nerfed. nice try tho.
magblades don't have a burst heal and siphoning attacks got imo really nerfed. nice try tho.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Stamplar? Potl? But yeah, nbs are in a good spot, no buffs nor nerfs needed for them. Buff other classes, likely with more group utility
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Stamplar? Potl? But yeah, nbs are in a good spot, no buffs nor nerfs needed for them. Buff other classes, likely with more group utility
What about potl? It has a cap on damage, which a single DD will hit in 2-3 seconds. It's just a burst damage skill, not one that helps the group in any way. Bosses are already being fully penetrated by Torugs with Cursher, Sunder, NMG and Alkosh.
Stamblades have better sustain through Siphoning, better group utility through War Machine + Incap and are better in both overall damage and especially during the burn phase due to having an execute.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Stamplar? Potl? But yeah, nbs are in a good spot, no buffs nor nerfs needed for them. Buff other classes, likely with more group utility
What about potl? It has a cap on damage, which a single DD will hit in 2-3 seconds. It's just a burst damage skill, not one that helps the group in any way. Bosses are already being fully penetrated by Torugs with Cursher, Sunder, NMG and Alkosh.
Stamblades have better sustain through Siphoning, better group utility through War Machine + Incap and are better in both overall damage and especially during the burn phase due to having an execute.
LiquidPony wrote: »I'm thinking that if we all start insulting each other, ZOS will have to come in and close down this unimaginably stupid thread.
OP, delete your account, go play a different game, and get bent.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Stamplar? Potl? But yeah, nbs are in a good spot, no buffs nor nerfs needed for them. Buff other classes, likely with more group utility
What about potl? It has a cap on damage, which a single DD will hit in 2-3 seconds. It's just a burst damage skill, not one that helps the group in any way. Bosses are already being fully penetrated by Torugs with Cursher, Sunder, NMG and Alkosh.
Stamblades have better sustain through Siphoning, better group utility through War Machine + Incap and are better in both overall damage and especially during the burn phase due to having an execute.
You can have a stamplar running sunder and wm as a result
You didn't specify what exactly to bring down. Keep in mind Nightblades are pretty poor in end game PvE, we don't want to worsen that.
Bonzodog01 wrote: »You should try taking a stamblade into a dungeon, any dungeon sometime. They will fail horribly, as they have no real sustain for handling the boss fights. Magblades do a lot better at this, but still lack the DPS in comparison.
The only place where Stamblades and magblades stand out is in PvP, and any competent mage can uncloak a stealthed nightblade with ease, at which point they become very squishy.
Not that I'm advocating any nerfs, but can only laugh at the complete lack of current meta knowledge.
In PvE both types of NB are literally at the top of their respective trees damage-wise. Nothing hits harder or sustains better than a magblade or a stamblade since Morrowind. Sorcs and StamDKs are literally the only other classes which people take for DPS in trials and that's mostly for debuffing/buffing with Sunderflame, Attronach and Concussion.
Magblades and Stamblades are so far ahead of anything else in ranged and melee damage that they have practically caused the extinction of MagDK, MagPlar and StamPlar DDs from trials. And Wardens don't even get a look-in. But yeah, I'm sure NBs suck in PvE
Stamplar? Potl? But yeah, nbs are in a good spot, no buffs nor nerfs needed for them. Buff other classes, likely with more group utility
What about potl? It has a cap on damage, which a single DD will hit in 2-3 seconds. It's just a burst damage skill, not one that helps the group in any way. Bosses are already being fully penetrated by Torugs with Cursher, Sunder, NMG and Alkosh.
Stamblades have better sustain through Siphoning, better group utility through War Machine + Incap and are better in both overall damage and especially during the burn phase due to having an execute.
I wish the ‘nerf Sorc!’ Threads were met with this kind of vitriol!
When you take into account the Sorc, DK, Templar, and Warden they all feel roughly on par with each other or just needing a few tweaks to be evened out. On the other hand the Magblade and even Stamblade seem to be on an entirely different level. If they were brought down significantly while the other classes continued to receive minor tuning the game would be in a much better place balance wise.
I compare my stamblade with my magsorc. Nb has no sustain, real bad survivability but high dps. You can do good dps in pve but in pvp you for and die and die, which is killing all fun. Magsorc kills and survives long time. Magsorc is par, Nb need some love.