Can you slide some context our way?

ak_pvp wrote: »

Can you slide some context our way?

Earlier and possibly still in effect, not sure, there was a bug where people couldn't enter any campaign, you'd be put in insanely high queue even though the pop was low on your faction. On Vivec I think, AD was still on so they took the entire map while everyone else was locked out. Note that AD players that were not among them also couldn't enter.

Some people think AD locked the campaign on purpose, other people think it's a ZOS bug entirely or a mixture of both.

coop500 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Can you slide some context our way?

Earlier and possibly still in effect, not sure, there was a bug where people couldn't enter any campaign, you'd be put in insanely high queue even though the pop was low on your faction. On Vivec I think, AD was still on so they took the entire map while everyone else was locked out. Note that AD players that were not among them also couldn't enter.

Some people think AD locked the campaign on purpose, other people think it's a ZOS bug entirely or a mixture of both.

Ah, that one. The significance of AD made me think it was a different bug. (never know with eso) I don't really think it should be reverted or rollbacked, it wasn't intentional to lock people out, and they used their numbers similar to how people night cap.

If players continued to cap once the bug was common knowledge then yes they should be punished for exploiting (I would im,agine a simply check of AD zone chat over that period should be able to see if people were saying things like 'hah no-one else can log in lkets exploit this like a mofo').

Other than that a campaign reset would seem the obvious choice as it was quite close to the start anyway but you'll turn purple and die holding your breath for ZoS to do anything baou it - they have a long list of other bugs to ignore long before they get round to ignoring this one.

I heard that on that night, a DC guild got their asses handed to them in Vivec by some AD, so they threw a fit, left Vivec and later couldn't get back in because of the bug. I don't know if that's true--from my experiences with DC pvpers I'm inclined to think it is--it's absolutely filarious.

Besides, the queue bug was effecting AD too. I was there that night and AD guildies were having trouble getting in too, and last night I queued up around 7 Pm EST, it showed that AD was pop locked yet but I was 170 in queue. Then when I got in, the game CTD and I had to queue again once I got back into the game. Why it was effecting EP and DC on Friday in the way it was was not AD's fault.

Buy hey, maybe Coop should be banned for making intentionally inflammatory polls. I love that disclaimer. "Let me set the forum on fire but disclaimer: I generally disagree with setting *** on fire."

This thread....I can't believe people are actually saying players should be banned LOL. For what? It's not like being in first place gets you any good rewards.

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Before I respond to this, I want to call attention to my post above, I have gone on record as saying I do not think AD exploited anything, or that anyone besides Zeni was in the wrong.

But it is Zeni's own handling of things that gives legitimacy to conversations such as this. We've seen time and again: Zeni introduces a bug that provides benefit to player; Zeni bans players for benefiting. This gives rise to player outcry of "no fair" as well as "dirty cheaters, ban them all".

But it's fuzzier than that. Zeni response to bugs has been all over the place through the years, see some examples below:

Zeni releases a heavy sack that insta respawns. A Player loots it a few times and moves on, probably no action taken. A different player camps the sack for hours and hours, will possibly get banned. Player camps the node and promotes the bug to others, several people are banned for it.

Player discovers a skill, let's say...Rearming Trap...melts bosses. Player reports it but continues to use the skill because it's always been part of his rotation, questionable response by Zeni. Player tells everyone about the bug, groups assemble specifically to use this bug to cheese the hardest content. Zeni fixes the bug and takes no action against players.

A set is discovered to give obscenely unintended damage bonuses. Player who previously used set reports it and stops using set, receives no punishment from Zeni. Player who previously used the set reports the problem but continues using the set, gets temp ban. Players promote the bug in guild chats, other players farm the hell out of that set, specifically to exploit the bug. All receive the same temp ban as the player who had used it before the bug was introduced.

Zeni releases new items that can be bought with Telvar. Minutes after servers come up, players (predictably and understandably) flood IC to farm Telvar. It is discovered that mobs are giving waaaay too much XP. Many players fail to notice this, because they are there to farm TV,and not XP, what action taken by Zeni? Other players do notice, and tell everyone to come to IC and grind, does this warrant a different response from Zeni?

Zeni introduces cyrodiil queue bug, and only AD can get into the campaign. Some players keep playing as they normally would if the bug didn't exist. Others gleefully point out that they can take advantage of the bug to take over the map and scoreboard without opposition. How is this different than any of the scenarios above?

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I think the affected campaigns should just be re-rolled back and any AP made, titles gained taken away. Players would have heard about the bug that prevented other players from joining the campaign through guilds etc.

I was one of the very few DC in Vivec on Friday night. If it had been us on the "right" side of the bug and we had full pop, I have zero doubt we would have done the same as AD did. Even if we had been the ones with the advantage I would be calling for a campaign reset. Maybe especially so, since I wouldn't want a win under such ugly circumstances.

The campaigns need reset. It's the right thing for Zos to do.

Dont be so stupid.

They logged into PVP to play, its not an exploit if another faction cant get in.

coop500 wrote: »

As the question states, do you want AD to be punished somehow for the bug?

Yes, send three generations of their families to the gulag.

(Not.)

"Punishing AD" will just do injustice to a whole bunch of innocent players.

No, because even if they knew it was a bug, there is no evidence it influenced the campaign in any way since nobody knows how many EP and DC ppl would actually go and fight them back.

Jura23 wrote: »

No, because even if they knew it was a bug, there is no evidence it influenced the campaign in any way since nobody knows how many EP and DC ppl would actually go and fight them back.

While AD can't be blamed or expected to know that it was influencing the campaign, I find it hard to believe that this bug hasn't influenced the campaign when there were people who wanted to play and couldn't because there were locked out by a bugged queue.

I don't blame AD. I do think the campaign was influenced enough over the 2 days this has happened now that it warrants a campaign restart or rollback.

You gonna ban the DC and EP from yesterday taking advantage of while AD queue was bugged? Or is plausible deniability only for your faction?