Olen_Mikko wrote: »Breton can be really really effective with dual wield magblade.
I had one, could do pretty much anything
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The biggest issue is the stamina sustain. A Breton won't have any. That means every time you fight, you'll run out of stamina really quickly.
Lol "really quickly". 95% of your sustain comes from your sets, your food and most importantly, heavy attacks. If you don't know have to do a rotation and keep up your resourses with heavys, you are going to have crap dps anyways.
notimetocare wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The biggest issue is the stamina sustain. A Breton won't have any. That means every time you fight, you'll run out of stamina really quickly.
Lol "really quickly". 95% of your sustain comes from your sets, your food and most importantly, heavy attacks. If you don't know have to do a rotation and keep up your resourses with heavys, you are going to have crap dps anyways.
Bro, that tiny bit from Redguard passive is super important. Thats why stamblades other than Redguard always fail. Like Imperials. Never see those /s xD
victoriana-blue wrote: »Play what you like! Unless you're into minmaxing and math, you're not going to lose a lot compared to Redguards or Orcs (or Khajiit/Bosmer/Imperials). Bretons' magicka bonuses let you get a few more cloaks when you're running around PvP and soloing, or some blurs in PvE content. It's a nice thing to have in your back pocket.
Source: I take my Breton vampire stamblade to vet dungeons and normal trials, and the spell resist is great when I'm in stage 4. My Elder Scrolls mains are always Bretons, and have been since TESIII when the magicka resist let me kind-of see while wearing the Boots of Blinding Speed. >:D
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?
Say what you want, but if you directly compare stamina sustain between a Breton, an Orc and a Redguard, you'll see a big difference between all of them. A Redguard or Bosmer will blow a Breton out of the water when it comes to stamina sustain. Orcs will have better sustain than Bretons, but not as good as Redguards or Bosmers. It's a fact.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »SydneyGrey wrote: »The biggest issue is the stamina sustain. A Breton won't have any. That means every time you fight, you'll run out of stamina really quickly.
Lol "really quickly". 95% of your sustain comes from your sets, your food and most importantly, heavy attacks. If you don't know have to do a rotation and keep up your resourses with heavys, you are going to have crap dps anyways.
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
i am not wrong. 660 resist is 1% damage mitigation. 3960 divided by 660 is 6. breton have 6% more resists to spells then other races. full stop. that is all that it is worth. you are the one adding more misleading data.
Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
This, my friends, is why statistics are a joke. The people behind them pull this kind of crap all the time.
Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation. Ok, fine. But that comparison is worth about as much as a turd in the hand. Why? Because your damage is not contingent on how much damage someone else is taking.
So what does matter? What stat actually has value?
6 points of damage. Not 12, which is the impression you want people to have when you spin figures together like you did. Just a 6 point difference for every 100 points of damage that comes in.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
This, my friends, is why statistics are a joke. The people behind them pull this kind of crap all the time.
Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation. Ok, fine. But that comparison is worth about as much as a turd in the hand. Why? Because your damage is not contingent on how much damage someone else is taking.
So what does matter? What stat actually has value?
6 points of damage. Not 12, which is the impression you want people to have when you spin figures together like you did. Just a 6 point difference for every 100 points of damage that comes in.
That's not the case though. Using your example, someone is at 44% mitigation with no Breton passives and gets hit for 100 damage. Then they put skill points into the Breton spell resistance passive to increase mitigation to 50%, and they get hit with the same attack again. It now does close to 88 damage, which is 12% lower than the original hit of 100.
Percentage of some arbitrary unmitigated hit value is irrelevant. What people care about is the change in damage taken with or without the Breton passive, which will always be >6%. I agree with @Bladerunner1 that 9% is a pretty typical value, and at the extreme best case it could be up to 12% if reaching mitigation cap.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
This, my friends, is why statistics are a joke. The people behind them pull this kind of crap all the time.
Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation. Ok, fine. But that comparison is worth about as much as a turd in the hand. Why? Because your damage is not contingent on how much damage someone else is taking.
So what does matter? What stat actually has value?
6 points of damage. Not 12, which is the impression you want people to have when you spin figures together like you did. Just a 6 point difference for every 100 points of damage that comes in.
That's not the case though. Using your example, someone is at 44% mitigation with no Breton passives and gets hit for 100 damage. Then they put skill points into the Breton spell resistance passive to increase mitigation to 50%, and they get hit with the same attack again. It now does close to 88 damage, which is 12% lower than the original hit of 100.
Percentage of some arbitrary unmitigated hit value is irrelevant. What people care about is the change in damage taken with or without the Breton passive, which will always be >6%. I agree with @Bladerunner1 that 9% is a pretty typical value, and at the extreme best case it could be up to 12% if reaching mitigation cap.
No, you're just trying to confuse people. The baseline is 0% mitigation. Period. How much damage per 100 damage points will you take with 44% mitigation. 56 points. How much damage will you take with 50% mitigation. 50 points.
When you start with a baseline of how much damage someone else mitigates, you just inflate the difference and give people a false impression of just how much impact their stats actually make.
The damage you take does not depend on how much damage someone else takes. Therefore such comparisons are completely, 100% meaningless. Just because I'm in a group with someone who only has 44% mitigation does not mean my 50% let me prevent 56% of the damage I took. I kinda suck at math, but even I know that's not how math works.
Seraphayel wrote: »You can play every class and playstyle with every race. There might be 1-10% differences in classes but it doesn't matter. Not even in high level end game content. Your race choice doesn't matter at all.
Bladerunner1 wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Bladerunner1 wrote: »One silver lining is you are a little bit more tanky against spell damage. Stamblades have shadow barrier and tend to add champion points in spell shield, and even then some people will yell at the top of their lungs at how squishy they feel. 3960 free spell resistance would stack on top of all the other spell resistance, cutting damage taken from spells down by approximately 20% compared to meta stamblades. Meta builds don't worry much about sort of thing, but it's something
The 3960 spell resistance you are talking about is exactly 6% damage reduction. 660 is 1%. Not 20%. And that is is you don't go over the 33100 spell resist cap.
Nope, it's 10%, not 6% or 20%. I forgot it was 660=1%. Meta stamblades already have close to 18,500 spell resistance when they gain shadow barrier, which means they take 72% incoming spell damage. A Breton would have 22,460 resistance, which means they take 66% incoming damage. 72 is 10% bigger than 66.
you are looking at this very strange, that is some very purposely misleading data, though accurate, it is still only 6% spell mitigation. no more no less.
Have you never done the math for mitigation before? Say a person has 28% mitigation. Every 100 damage that comes their way, only 72 will be subtracted by their health. The health is decreased by 72.
They gain 6 percent more mitigation and now have 34%. Out of every 100 damage that comes their way, only 66 gets subtracted from health. What's 72-66, then divided by 66? OK it's 9.1% more damage taken by metablades then by Bretons in this stamblade case. Not 6%. The closer to 50% mitigation you get, the bigger the effect. Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation, not 6%.
There is absolutely nothing misleading, it's just how mitigation works. When you say it's "exactly 6% damage reduction" the way you did, you're wrong
This, my friends, is why statistics are a joke. The people behind them pull this kind of crap all the time.
Someone with 44% mitigation takes 12% more damage than someone with 50% mitigation. Ok, fine. But that comparison is worth about as much as a turd in the hand. Why? Because your damage is not contingent on how much damage someone else is taking.
So what does matter? What stat actually has value?
6 points of damage. Not 12, which is the impression you want people to have when you spin figures together like you did. Just a 6 point difference for every 100 points of damage that comes in.
That's not the case though. Using your example, someone is at 44% mitigation with no Breton passives and gets hit for 100 damage. Then they put skill points into the Breton spell resistance passive to increase mitigation to 50%, and they get hit with the same attack again. It now does close to 88 damage, which is 12% lower than the original hit of 100.
Percentage of some arbitrary unmitigated hit value is irrelevant. What people care about is the change in damage taken with or without the Breton passive, which will always be >6%. I agree with @Bladerunner1 that 9% is a pretty typical value, and at the extreme best case it could be up to 12% if reaching mitigation cap.
No, you're just trying to confuse people. The baseline is 0% mitigation. Period. How much damage per 100 damage points will you take with 44% mitigation. 56 points. How much damage will you take with 50% mitigation. 50 points.
When you start with a baseline of how much damage someone else mitigates, you just inflate the difference and give people a false impression of just how much impact their stats actually make.
The damage you take does not depend on how much damage someone else takes. Therefore such comparisons are completely, 100% meaningless. Just because I'm in a group with someone who only has 44% mitigation does not mean my 50% let me prevent 56% of the damage I took. I kinda suck at math, but even I know that's not how math works.
The only thing that matters when you compare one build to another is damage you would expect to see in combat. Here's how the math works, outlined by an awesome theorycrafter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/279426/damage-mitigation-explanation-updated-for-morrowind-new-calculator/p1
If a Redguard needs 9% more healing than a Breton to stay alive, that information is relevant. It just so happens that Redguards can self heal more due to having more stamina, there's a lot of factors at play.
Adventurer wrote: »If I'd like to do PVE, can I do a stamblade well?
How much worse off would a stamblade Breton be compared to an Orc or a Redguard?