DDuke wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Edit: and my stamDk has an absurdly high 20k vigor tooltip, if power lash heal is above that I would say it sounds really, really broken.

22k, and over 4 seconds, not 5.


I could get even higher tooltip if I were to use Shacklebreaker, but experimenting with something else atm :P

Well. Maaaaybe its time to reroll magicka Dk. I will wait till it goes live.

who do peope think dks have high dmg?

Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.

If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.

I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.

For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.

Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.

I see people are still stuck horrified about DK's from 1.5 and before.

I wonder how many of these nerf-dk posters are stamblade mains

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.

Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.

I see people are still stuck horrified about DK's from 1.5 and before.

I wonder how many of these nerf-dk posters are stamblade mains

I play a DK too, a magdk dps at that, and I dont play a stamblade (my nightblade is a magicka tank). I'm not asking for dk nerfs, I just dont think they're getting any worse than the rest of the classes are in the overall scheme of things.

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

who do peope think dks have high dmg?

Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.

If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.

I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.

For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.

Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.

I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.

You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.

I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage. In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.


If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.

Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.

Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.

I see people are still stuck horrified about DK's from 1.5 and before.

I wonder how many of these nerf-dk posters are stamblade mains

I play a DK too, a magdk dps at that, and I dont play a stamblade (my nightblade is a magicka tank). I'm not asking for dk nerfs, I just dont think they're getting any worse than the rest of the classes are in the overall scheme of things.

The power creep between a nb and dk is massive. Especially in PvP.

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

who do peope think dks have high dmg?

Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.

If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.

I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.

For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.

Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.

I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.

You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.

I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.

Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.

Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.

I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.

CaliMade wrote: »

In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.

It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.

Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.

All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.

So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.

CaliMade wrote: »

If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.

Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.

Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.

Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).

This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).


I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.

TO be honest LA mDK is a lot more tankier than a medium armor sDk, while also having much reliable damage+pressure.

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

who do peope think dks have high dmg?

Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.

If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.

I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.

For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.

Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.

I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.

You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.

I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.

Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.

Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.

I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.

CaliMade wrote: »

In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.

It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.

Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.

All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.

So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.

CaliMade wrote: »

If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.

Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.

Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.

Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).

This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).


I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.

Note: Taking into account that only really ele drain is used from destro. Burning extra chance is useful, but negligable with enough dots.

I run DW because I prefer the passive increase in all damage from DW and the extra constant set piece, this just gives me constant damage without having as much to setup. Though if in a smaller fight destro wins due to ele drain just being so good, albeit situational (if under high pressure casting and keeping on a specific target is hard, though the dots can keep the mag aspect flowing.)

The weaves are pretty good, but not as life changing, and I hit like 500 with dw light average and 1k with destro. The heavy attacking for mag is also something quite situational, unlike stam heavy weaving is much longer and so riskier.

I'd say for a high damage potato masher 1vX build then DW is quite a bit stronger, but if you are going for more drawn out fights then the pressure and sustain from destro is better.

Ah well.. another patch running around in Cyrodill on my stam dk and being worse than almost every other class. Whats new?

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

who do peope think dks have high dmg?

Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.

If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.

I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.

For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.

Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.

I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.

You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.

I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.

Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.

Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.

I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.

CaliMade wrote: »

In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.

It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.

Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.

All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.

So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.

CaliMade wrote: »

If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.

Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.

Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.

Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).

This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).


I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.

I use DW because you get +5 % damage done, you get the 1400 max mag from 2 pc willpower. and you get the benefit of nirn honed( same boost as destro gets btw) plus having your weapon damage enchant with 100% up time( infused offhand).



Healing ward is useless against 3 or more players.

I ran Resto last patch but after going back and forth for a while ive found SnB immensely better for how i play.

I also try to run as many class abilities as possible on all my characters. I hate weapon line skills and the fact that certain classes depend on them(stam dk, stam Sorc) its actually disgusting.

The only two non dk skills i run is entropy and Inner light. Inner light is just too strong not to have imo. and entropy is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper than molten weapons, it also gives me an extra 2% magic.

Ive played stamblade and stamplar more than ive played magdk and no, Dks are not more consistent in open world not for lightyears. Consistent at getting overwhelmed yeah thats about it.

If ANYINTHIG Dks lock down stamblades better than any class witch is the reason its my go to for PVP.

Stamina Nightblade is the bane of my existence. I absolutley cant stand Stealth in this game and belive it should be removed completley balanced or not. I dread fighting stamblades, even the carappiest of players, i hate even seeing them. I could type a 1000 word essay about how much i hate that class and still not even scratch the surface of my hatred. Im actually getting angry now just thinking about them. Ive quit eso a couple of times because of them and im contemplating quitting when this patch drops because all in all im going to be less effective against them with powerlash being dodgeable.

Call me bad or tell me to L2P all you want idk im satisfied with my skill level in this game. I just have a deep hatred of nightblades.

Ive got the perfect way to describe my hatred.

If zenimax gave me two offers.

A way to get anything in the game instantly with no cost or catch.

Or delete Stam spec nightblades from the game.

Take a wild guess on witch one id choose.

Sorry for going off topic, but i HATE stamblades