Ragnarock41 wrote: »Edit: and my stamDk has an absurdly high 20k vigor tooltip, if power lash heal is above that I would say it sounds really, really broken.
22k, and over 4 seconds, not 5.
I could get even higher tooltip if I were to use Shacklebreaker, but experimenting with something else atm :P
Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.
Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
SaintSubwayy wrote: »
Master_Kas wrote: »Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.
Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.
I see people are still stuck horrified about DK's from 1.5 and before.
I wonder how many of these nerf-dk posters are stamblade mains
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
Dragon Knights have been nerfed over the past few years many times and seem to be on a roller coaster ride of nerfs. Magicka DKs have quit and/or are really frustrated.
Why don't you do this, ZOS.
Remove Dragon Knight from the game turning all existing Dragon Knight characters into Wardens (if they own the expansion).
Master_Kas wrote: »Newsflash: EVERY class has been repeatedly nerfed every patch since the inception of the game. ZOS' problem isnt class based, it's the fact that they dont know how to buff, only nerf.
Dragonknights really have no more right to whine than anyone else about class changes. They're just more bitter than the rest because, at one point in ESO history, dragonknights were the king of kings in pvp and could steamroll anyone they came across with ease.
I see people are still stuck horrified about DK's from 1.5 and before.
I wonder how many of these nerf-dk posters are stamblade mains
I play a DK too, a magdk dps at that, and I dont play a stamblade (my nightblade is a magicka tank). I'm not asking for dk nerfs, I just dont think they're getting any worse than the rest of the classes are in the overall scheme of things.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.
TO be honest LA mDK is a lot more tankier than a medium armor sDk, while also having much reliable damage+pressure.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.
TO be honest LA mDK is a lot more tankier than a medium armor sDk, while also having much reliable damage+pressure.
Eh, Its probably generally because med sucks and so much goes though it. Light armour DK often relied on block, and that build is comparable to a stamDK med block one. But shields are still very strong, so any mag class can use them well, even a DK that has no reliable class defense.
StamDK can get quite comparable damage and pressure if using s/b for damage and defiling, but its not really that great if 1vXing, which requires burst.
who do peope think dks have high dmg?
Lmao probably because 90% of the community is a stage four vampire.
If you think mag dks hit hard, cure your curse and then sing the same tune.
I run light armor dk and i say this with complete honesty. (If im lyin im dyin)
In OW mag dks provide ZERO pressure against me, power lashes are NEVER over 4k-5k and the only purpose they serve is to spam talons and annoy you with their 5k belly flops. In my experience in PVP, every other class in the game provides more pressure than a mag dk ever has against me.
For perspective, what would it be like if Stamblades or stamplar had major berserk at all times? Increasing their damage done by 25% AT ALL TIMES. How strong would that be? Now compare that to how dks fair against vamps right now.
Sounds like you're talking about S&B tank DKs.
I have a higher tooltip on Flame Lash (yeah, not even Power Lash which is closer to Wrecking Blow) than any rollerblade has on their Surprise Attack, my Leap hits harder than Incap, I've more DoTs, delayed burst (FoO projectiles) and more penetration to top it all off.
You should try something other than S&B if you want big dmg on mDK, as there is nothing wrong with the class when it comes to that.
I dont use SnB i run DW. i have a plethora of builds i run. my latest two have a 10.1k whip tooltip unbuffed and the other has a 11.2k whip tooltip unbuffed. Trust me, i know damage.
Right. I get 10k unbuffed with destro staff.
Out of curiosity, what makes you choose DW over Destro when you aim for maximum damage? You lose out on Elemental Drain, double chance of proccing burning status effect, 1-2k/light attack (and ability to poke people out of melee range) etc etc.
I've come across no scenario where DW would provide more damage (even with the low-survivability/sustain destro off bar version that can elem drain targets), but perhaps you can enlighten me.In every one of my PVP Clips somone gets deleted by my leap. Ive yet to see any Dk that hits really hard out side of duels. and thats because Those builds dont stand half a chance in open world UNLESS YOUR REALLY REALLY GOOD on dk. They’re so rare to the point of me never seeing them at all in all the time ive been playing pvp. Its way too hard to survive on a high dmg Dk unless your extremely skilled. Its not that difiicult for any other class. And plus any class that has an execute doesnt need high tooltips, my magblads deletes more than my Dk, thats with a 9k concealed weapon. Incap Assassins will, Impale can delete 90% of Cyrodiil. And i got 2600 mag recovery on my blade, infinite resources. To get a similar effect against non vamps i run 1200 mag recovery on my magdk and depend on rotating lich procs with tripots and Ulti’s to sustain.
It's not any more or less difficult to survive on a high dmg mDK - it's just different.
Sure, some stamblade/stamplar/whatever might be able to 1vX better, when fighting the exact right opponents.
All it takes to ruin that person's PvP experience is one build with lots of undodgeable damage & gap closer slotted to prevent kiting. End of 1vX & you wish you were playing a mDK instead, as mDK doesn't get "hardcountered" by anything except numbers advantage.
So yeah, if you like having occasional moments of glory with lots of frustration inbetween, play stamblade/stamplar/whatever. If you like being consistently powerful, then mDK is the class for that.If the vast majority of a class plays the same way there is a clear issue here. Everyone knows dks get high tooltips.
Its the fack that even with those high tooltips you gotta gut your resources to kill anyone with half a brain in OW. All they need is a souped up defile.
So alot of Dks run more survivability in thier builds and depend on vamps to get easy kills while hitting non vamps with 3k powerlashes and 5k belly flops.
Well, I dealt with those "issues" with my build.
Defile? Healing Ward. Sustain? Elemental Drain (& Eyes of Mara off bar for cheaper Wards).
This lets me run BSW as the other set, 3x Spell Damage on jewelry, Apprentice mundus & I don't have any issues with magicka sustain or survivability (unless badly outnumbered).
I think going DW or S&B forces you to give up too much damage and/or sustain.