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What is Good DPS?
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itehache✭✭✭✭Anyone who can get to 20k on a dummy will do just fine.
For end game vet content my guild is asking for 35k. My max is 33k and I still run with them and we can clear pretty much all content just fine. Obviously the more the better.
A friend of mine does 45k on his stamblade (same as my main), but I cannot get past 33k so yeah. We need to learn how to cancel the animation better, always remember those light attacks etc.
But I would say that to run normal and 'easy' vet content (such as 'I' vet dungeons, or vet aetherian archive) 20k-25k should be fine.1 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.
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Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
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Good is subjective and there is no large scale data. Let me ask you this, why you care what good is? Do you want to clear something specific? Are you interested in the whole leaderboard thing? Are you worried about doing your part in a particular group? What's your goal? People here are ready to help with that, but they are also ready for a pissing contest if you give them a chance.Juju_beans wrote: »So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.0 -
Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.
You'll hear different numbers all the time from people at different levels of proficiency. Especially those who have mastered the trait think that their 40+k are "normal and achievable".
So, you can either approach the question via "what DPS do I need to do certain content", or "what DPS do certain tiers of players achieve".
From my point of view, for the second question, I've seen up to 45k from an insane stamblade friend, and 10k from newbies if they basically do nothing but heavy attacks and the occasional buff.
That's about the range. I personally consider myself an advanced player, and get to 30-35k. Everything above 20k I consider above average. I'll leave it at that.
For the first question, solo/overland you can do with any DPS. Rough numbers for the rest, 10+k for normal dungeons. 15+ for vet non-DLC. 20+k to do any dungeon. That's no "hard limit", but a figure that will result in a smooth run. If you have less, but know the mechanics well, the run will take longer but will work too. (Exceptions are hard DPS checks like Bloodspawn or to some degree Skoria. And fights that get harder the longer they take.)
The reverse is also true: If you do stellar DPS on a dummy, but fail at mechanics, you'll not be of any use in a dungeon run.Kind regards,
Frank
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.
You'll hear different numbers all the time from people at different levels of proficiency. Especially those who have mastered the trait think that their 40+k are "normal and achievable".
So, you can either approach the question via "what DPS do I need to do certain content", or "what DPS do certain tiers of players achieve".
From my point of view, for the second question, I've seen up to 45k from an insane stamblade friend, and 10k from newbies if they basically do nothing but heavy attacks and the occasional buff. That's about the range. I personally consider myself an advanced player, and get to 30-35k. Everything above 20k I consider above average. I'll leave it at that.
For the first question, solo/overland you can do with any DPS. Rough numbers for the rest, 10+k for normal dungeons. 15+ for vet non-DLC. 20+k to do any dungeon. That's no "hard limit", but a figure that will result in a smooth run. If you have less, but know the mechanics well, the run will take longer but will work too. (Exceptions are hard DPS checks like Bloodspawn or to some degree Skoria. And fights that get harder the longer they take.)
The reverse is also true: If you do stellar DPS on a dummy, but fail at mechanics, you'll not be of any use in a dungeon run.
And let's not forget the flat out liars. Pics (full CM page) or it didn't happen.
Just because your guildy's brother's bestie posted a 50k skelly dps doesn't mean anything. I can see total dps and I know how to divide by 8 or 10, trial dependant, and bullfrickingtosh if raids are hitting the numbers as suggested in this thread.
Seriously.0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
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Except animation cancelling is not anywhere near as hard as those who can't do it would try and make people believe.
Pop a light attack before each skill...you're halfway there. Now pop a skill at the apex of your heavy attack and you're mostly there. Get used to not hosing your rotation (as in don't spam your skills) and you're there.3 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'll say it here: pretty much all your dps is down to a clean rotation/or a build that works around regional lag, like a heavy attack build.
Hide your dps meter, be a form princess, and look at the end.
If you're watching that number all the time you're defeating yourself.
Learn really your rotation and if your rotation is repeatable and flawless, and your build is taking your ping into account, before long - you'll be surprised at the increase.
Be calm, don't spam keys. Just be calm and do it slow till you get it right.1 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Colecovision wrote: »
Good is subjective and there is no large scale data. Let me ask you this, why you care what good is? Do you want to clear something specific? Are you interested in the whole leaderboard thing? Are you worried about doing your part in a particular group? What's your goal? People here are ready to help with that, but they are also ready for a pissing contest if you give them a chance.Juju_beans wrote: »So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.
Doing group content mostly. Don't want to feel like I'm being carried if my dps is that low and I would work on it to get it up.
By myself I don't care..as long as the mobs die and I don't
Is 10K dps good enough min for regular dungeons ? Should I aim for 15K ?
I'm CP 260, not fully geared out yet and now run a combat add-on to see my dps.
Been playing with rotations (DW/bow) on my NB and can do a fairly consistent 10-12K dps with no food buffs.
And that's way up from the 6-7K I was doing before I started using the combat add-on.
Would you consider that good for where I am in character progression ?
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭Juju_beans wrote: »So much hyperbole and straight up BS in this thread it's unbelievable. Smh
Yeah, as a newb I thought I'd find this thread interesting and helpful.
Instead I see posts saying anywhere from 10K-50K dps should be "norm".
So now I feel I'm back to where I started..trying to figure out what is decent dps.
You'll hear different numbers all the time from people at different levels of proficiency. Especially those who have mastered the trait think that their 40+k are "normal and achievable".
So, you can either approach the question via "what DPS do I need to do certain content", or "what DPS do certain tiers of players achieve".
From my point of view, for the second question, I've seen up to 45k from an insane stamblade friend, and 10k from newbies if they basically do nothing but heavy attacks and the occasional buff. That's about the range. I personally consider myself an advanced player, and get to 30-35k. Everything above 20k I consider above average. I'll leave it at that.
For the first question, solo/overland you can do with any DPS. Rough numbers for the rest, 10+k for normal dungeons. 15+ for vet non-DLC. 20+k to do any dungeon. That's no "hard limit", but a figure that will result in a smooth run. If you have less, but know the mechanics well, the run will take longer but will work too. (Exceptions are hard DPS checks like Bloodspawn or to some degree Skoria. And fights that get harder the longer they take.)
The reverse is also true: If you do stellar DPS on a dummy, but fail at mechanics, you'll not be of any use in a dungeon run.
Thank you, thank you. What I bolded above is about what I'm looking for. I just want a bar to aim for since hitting 50 and now into the CP.
I came from 10+ years of wow so dps/rotations/gear setup is not something new for me; just how ESO does it.
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Loc2262✭✭✭✭✭Yeah the effect of your DPS, be it high or low, is also always dependent on the rest of your group. For example, I just had a PUG run of Direfrost Hardmode with my stamblade. I do around 33k on the skeleton, the other DD (CP~70) probably had way less than 10k. I had over 80% group DPS during the run. But they at least knew they had to interrupt Drodda's health leech beam! So the fight took somewhat longer, around 6 minutes (mostly because the other DD also died a lot in Drodda's AOE attack), but the tank and healer did their job well, so it still worked.Kind regards,
Frank
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭TotallyNotVos wrote: »On a boss, 60 k is doable, the max dps you can get is around that.
Stam in an optimised setting can push into the low 70s single target
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JinMori✭✭✭✭✭
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Then learn it.
It's not hard.
Takes like 10 min to learn the basics.
But the argument you always get is, i will not use an exploit.... No, you just don't wanna put in the time to learn it.
And in any case it's here to stay, because it cannot be removed, so, either embrace mediocrity, or learn it.Edited by JinMori on February 4, 2018 12:51AM0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
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@Muttsmutt
Actually it is very true. You can easily hit 30k on a dummy without animation canceling. It has already been stated on this thread that the only relevant AC done by end game PVE DPS is bar swap cancelling, which is not at all difficult to master. Weaving is NOT animation canceling.
Animation is not required for decent damage, but it is required for extraordinary damage.0 -
Meld777✭✭✭✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »What is Good DPS?
About tree fiddyMaelstrom Arena Champion | Undaunted | Fighters Guild Victor
Level 50 Magicka NB | CP160+
nAA | vCoH1 HM | nSO | nCoA2 | nDSA | nMA | vVoM
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Mister_DMC✭✭✭✭✭I'll say again.
Bad DPS 10k or less
Average 15-20k DPS
Good 21k-30k
Very good 31-35k
Great 35k+
Top tier 40k+
All depending on class and considered Solo on the 3 mil dummy. How much you cheese it is going to affect your raid test if your guild uses this as a metric.4 -
jaye63✭✭✭✭For everything except the vet DLC Dungeons and the Trials, 15-18k DPS is fine. And DONT base that on the target dummy you get as a reward from clockwork city. it has carp defense. Use one of the ones buy from the voucher vendor.0 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
@Muttsmutt
Actually it is very true. You can easily hit 30k on a dummy without animation canceling. It has already been stated on this thread that the only relevant AC done by end game PVE DPS is bar swap cancelling, which is not at all difficult to master. Weaving is NOT animation canceling.
Animation is not required for decent damage, but it is required for extraordinary damage.
then it must be some ethereal shenanigans, cause i've never seen more than 20k dps on a solo dummy test, even following word by word guidesPC-EU // UNDEAD0 -
Mazbt✭✭✭✭a good place to shoot for if you are new and getting into veteran trials for the first time is 25K. Then go from there. The elite guilds will have 35k plus requirements don't worry about that unless you are in those guilds. Non-try hard guilds or guilds in the middle I think expect you to do at least 25k single target. For vet dungeons you can get by with 20k maybe a bit higher to account for stupid deaths. That's mainly the dlc vet ones too and POSSIBLY vet city of ash 2.Edited by Mazbt on February 7, 2018 9:30PMMazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
Maz the Druid - PVP group stam warden
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Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
@Muttsmutt
Actually it is very true. You can easily hit 30k on a dummy without animation canceling. It has already been stated on this thread that the only relevant AC done by end game PVE DPS is bar swap cancelling, which is not at all difficult to master. Weaving is NOT animation canceling.
Animation is not required for decent damage, but it is required for extraordinary damage.
then it must be some ethereal shenanigans, cause i've never seen more than 20k dps on a solo dummy test, even following word by word guides
If you're not hitting more than 20k dps on a dummy AND you're following their guides to the letter you're doing the rotation wrong.
As others have said the only animation cancelling people do is bar swapping.
Otherwise its all light attack -> active skill, this all done within one second. Or its heavy attack -> wait for it to be fully charged -> skill.0 -
Muttsmutt✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
@Muttsmutt
Actually it is very true. You can easily hit 30k on a dummy without animation canceling. It has already been stated on this thread that the only relevant AC done by end game PVE DPS is bar swap cancelling, which is not at all difficult to master. Weaving is NOT animation canceling.
Animation is not required for decent damage, but it is required for extraordinary damage.
then it must be some ethereal shenanigans, cause i've never seen more than 20k dps on a solo dummy test, even following word by word guides
If you're not hitting more than 20k dps on a dummy AND you're following their guides to the letter you're doing the rotation wrong.
As others have said the only animation cancelling people do is bar swapping.
Otherwise its all light attack -> active skill, this all done within one second. Or its heavy attack -> wait for it to be fully charged -> skill.
you know, that might be it
what's even more brain rotting to me than animation cancelling is pressing the same buttons in the same sequence at given times, like a machinePC-EU // UNDEAD0 -
PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭kylewwefan wrote: »
Simple, good DPS is when the mobs die and you don't.kylewwefan wrote: »What is Good DPS?
No need to put some arbitrary numbers on there ...
I’m tired of fungal Grotto taking an hour to beat due to this line of thinking.
This.. If the boss dies, and you don't. You're doing good DPS...
I've NEVER been in a Fungal Grotto group that's lasted that long...Of course, I usually only run with guildies.Edited by PlagueSD on February 10, 2018 2:01AM1 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
@Muttsmutt
Actually it is very true. You can easily hit 30k on a dummy without animation canceling. It has already been stated on this thread that the only relevant AC done by end game PVE DPS is bar swap cancelling, which is not at all difficult to master. Weaving is NOT animation canceling.
Animation is not required for decent damage, but it is required for extraordinary damage.
then it must be some ethereal shenanigans, cause i've never seen more than 20k dps on a solo dummy test, even following word by word guides
If you're not hitting more than 20k dps on a dummy AND you're following their guides to the letter you're doing the rotation wrong.
As others have said the only animation cancelling people do is bar swapping.
Otherwise its all light attack -> active skill, this all done within one second. Or its heavy attack -> wait for it to be fully charged -> skill.
you know, that might be it
what's even more brain rotting to me than animation cancelling is pressing the same buttons in the same sequence at given times, like a machine
Well there isn't an MMO out there in which to be successful you don't need to press buttons in the same sequence at given times. In fact how many video games period are different?
If you want to just mash random buttons then I suggest you stick to easy single player games.2 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »
Simple, good DPS is when the mobs die and you don't.kylewwefan wrote: »What is Good DPS?
No need to put some arbitrary numbers on there ...
I’m tired of fungal Grotto taking an hour to beat due to this line of thinking.
This.. If the boss dies, and you don't. You're doing good DPS...
I've NEVER been in a Fungal Grotto group that's lasted that long...Of course, I usually only run with guildies.
That's nonsense though. On most bosses where there is no timed enrage mechanics a good tank/healer combo can survive indefinitely (or at least until all their equipment breaks), DPS is irrelevant to whether you die first or the boss dies first.
DPS is by definition how quickly you can do damage. Good DPS is therefore a lot of damage quickly.1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭From what I've gathered (and people never post these things)
20k is good for: purp weapons/off trait main weapon, 0 trial gear, and maybe off CP/mundus using (if at all) trash potions
Now that very same build with vMA weapon, correct mundus/traits and good potions will pull in 25k-30k depending on player abilities.
Add in buffs and or sustain from other players - that same build hits 30 - 35k.
Now what do you post on the web? Just a number.
You don't post your gear, you don't post either you're truly alone or not, you don't post your skills, you don't post your mundus, you don't post your potions.
Then people get into an argument because so much info was left out3 -
slicksteezin✭✭✭✭Good DPS is one who looks good doing it. First priority is looking good, second priority is playing good. But that goes without saying...2
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JungleBoot✭✭✭Uhmmmm.... How do you use a target dummy? And yeah, I'm being serious. I've never used one.Platform: PS4
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JungleBoot wrote: »Uhmmmm.... How do you use a target dummy? And yeah, I'm being serious. I've never used one.
Attack it like it's an enemy, when it's dead your stats come up0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »JungleBoot wrote: »Uhmmmm.... How do you use a target dummy? And yeah, I'm being serious. I've never used one.
Attack it like it's an enemy, when it's dead your stats come up
That's when the realisation sinks in, you're so much worse than you thought.2 -
Savage_Audacity✭✭✭30k dps is good, 35k dps is great, 40k dps means you’ve mastered your rotation and have bis gear, 45k+ is reserved for dps gurus0
