Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »TrinityBreaker wrote: »
not to mention slotting bound armaments grants you %20 stam and hp recovery, with the daedric protection and it stacks with major recovery buffs as far as I know.
But I am obviously asking for too much when I say revert battle roar.
It also requires you to double bar it. You basically compared 1 stam sorc ability that needs two slots + one passive with one DK passive. How does that even make any sense?
It isn't really a huge sacrifice when you consider you can use overload bar for certain abilities and even dark deal.
Dk sustain is all stamDK has.The class is meant to have the best sustain, which isn't the case anymore.
So this is why bound armaments is sooo important. that skill is a double slot, but it gives you more sustain than a stamDk gets, if you're not planning on a permablock build.
On my stamDK 2h build I use FoO on back bar, and evil hunter on front bar.
On my stamsorc I am planning to use bound armaments+draugr hulk+ weapon crit pots to compensate for the less crit.
I can also go bone pirate instead for insane regen and in that case I won't even need to dark deal for the most part, but why bother with that when I can pop an immo pot and dark deal for free?
Not saying stamsorc is the best class or anything,I think they are well balanced right now. but its definitely is not below stamDK by any means, and it will be even better than it already is, when the next patch goes live.
Only thing stamDK does better right now is permablocking, which I believe shouldn't even be a thing at this point, and its only really gonna work against potatoes.
But...
If you think stamDK with its two dots+blockcasting are better to have than all the amazing stuff stamsorcs has, by all means, go and play a stamDk. See for yourself.
DocFrost72 wrote: »I really don't understand why we are the only class with only 2 stamina morphs in the game.
Noxious breath,
Venomous Claw,
Take Flight
Are all physical/poison based making them good for stamina. Unless of course you don't count incap, crescent, and warden bear in your other calculations. In that case, carry on.
Wasn't counting take flight since it's an ultimate. And yeah,stamina dk is the only class with only 2 useful stamina skills/passives.
Stamina sorc is close behind but his kit provides tons of more useful skill
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »TrinityBreaker wrote: »
not to mention slotting bound armaments grants you %20 stam and hp recovery, with the daedric protection and it stacks with major recovery buffs as far as I know.
But I am obviously asking for too much when I say revert battle roar.
It also requires you to double bar it. You basically compared 1 stam sorc ability that needs two slots + one passive with one DK passive. How does that even make any sense?
It isn't really a huge sacrifice when you consider you can use overload bar for certain abilities and even dark deal.
Dk sustain is all stamDK has.The class is meant to have the best sustain, which isn't the case anymore.
So this is why bound armaments is sooo important. that skill is a double slot, but it gives you more sustain than a stamDk gets, if you're not planning on a permablock build.
On my stamDK 2h build I use FoO on back bar, and evil hunter on front bar.
On my stamsorc I am planning to use bound armaments+draugr hulk+ weapon crit pots to compensate for the less crit.
I can also go bone pirate instead for insane regen and in that case I won't even need to dark deal for the most part, but why bother with that when I can pop an immo pot and dark deal for free?
Not saying stamsorc is the best class or anything,I think they are well balanced right now. but its definitely is not below stamDK by any means, and it will be even better than it already is, when the next patch goes live.
Only thing stamDK does better right now is permablocking, which I believe shouldn't even be a thing at this point, and its only really gonna work against potatoes.
But...
If you think stamDK with its two dots+blockcasting are better to have than all the amazing stuff stamsorcs has, by all means, go and play a stamDk. See for yourself.
And here we go again. This is becoming a habit. I didnt compare stam DK with stam sorc in terms of which class is better overall. Seriously what is up with all DKs and you all become automatically hostile to anyone that dares to say anything about ur class apart from buff it.
I just simply stated that ur comparison makes no sense cause it simply doesnt. You compared 1 passive vs 1 toggle + 1 passive. Yes obviously the latter is going to be better. Thats like 2 abilities + 1 passive. The issue would be if it wasnt better. And bound armaments isnt so important. Not sure where u are getting this info. Half of stamsorcs dont even use it. Stam sorcs get their sustain from dark deal, not a 20% regen passive that they can only use if they slot a toggle which isnt even that good. And yes its not that good. If you compare it with inner light it becomes obvious that both morphs of bound armor need a complete rework.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »TrinityBreaker wrote: »
not to mention slotting bound armaments grants you %20 stam and hp recovery, with the daedric protection and it stacks with major recovery buffs as far as I know.
But I am obviously asking for too much when I say revert battle roar.
It also requires you to double bar it. You basically compared 1 stam sorc ability that needs two slots + one passive with one DK passive. How does that even make any sense?
It isn't really a huge sacrifice when you consider you can use overload bar for certain abilities and even dark deal.
Dk sustain is all stamDK has.The class is meant to have the best sustain, which isn't the case anymore.
So this is why bound armaments is sooo important. that skill is a double slot, but it gives you more sustain than a stamDk gets, if you're not planning on a permablock build.
On my stamDK 2h build I use FoO on back bar, and evil hunter on front bar.
On my stamsorc I am planning to use bound armaments+draugr hulk+ weapon crit pots to compensate for the less crit.
I can also go bone pirate instead for insane regen and in that case I won't even need to dark deal for the most part, but why bother with that when I can pop an immo pot and dark deal for free?
Not saying stamsorc is the best class or anything,I think they are well balanced right now. but its definitely is not below stamDK by any means, and it will be even better than it already is, when the next patch goes live.
Only thing stamDK does better right now is permablocking, which I believe shouldn't even be a thing at this point, and its only really gonna work against potatoes.
But...
If you think stamDK with its two dots+blockcasting are better to have than all the amazing stuff stamsorcs has, by all means, go and play a stamDk. See for yourself.
And here we go again. This is becoming a habit. I didnt compare stam DK with stam sorc in terms of which class is better overall. Seriously what is up with all DKs and you all become automatically hostile to anyone that dares to say anything about ur class apart from buff it.
I just simply stated that ur comparison makes no sense cause it simply doesnt. You compared 1 passive vs 1 toggle + 1 passive. Yes obviously the latter is going to be better. Thats like 2 abilities + 1 passive. The issue would be if it wasnt better. And bound armaments isnt so important. Not sure where u are getting this info. Half of stamsorcs dont even use it. Stam sorcs get their sustain from dark deal, not a 20% regen passive that they can only use if they slot a toggle which isnt even that good. And yes its not that good. If you compare it with inner light it becomes obvious that both morphs of bound armor need a complete rework.
except I didn't go hostile on you.
You are the only one acting hostile here now. I am only explaining to you why I believe stamsorc with armaments has better sustain than stamDK in general, and while I might be right or wrong, I do have some solid reasoning behind the things I say here.
I am not saying ''nerf stamsorc'', I am not saying ''sorc is this strong so lets make stamDK even stronger''
I am just saying what it is.
Read my post again and tell me where I go aggressive on you.
Also for your info I actually rerolled my stamDk so I am no longer a Dk main. Call me a meta boy or whatever, I Don't care. I plan to play stamsorc for a while now.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »TrinityBreaker wrote: »
not to mention slotting bound armaments grants you %20 stam and hp recovery, with the daedric protection and it stacks with major recovery buffs as far as I know.
But I am obviously asking for too much when I say revert battle roar.
It also requires you to double bar it. You basically compared 1 stam sorc ability that needs two slots + one passive with one DK passive. How does that even make any sense?
It isn't really a huge sacrifice when you consider you can use overload bar for certain abilities and even dark deal.
Dk sustain is all stamDK has.The class is meant to have the best sustain, which isn't the case anymore.
So this is why bound armaments is sooo important. that skill is a double slot, but it gives you more sustain than a stamDk gets, if you're not planning on a permablock build.
On my stamDK 2h build I use FoO on back bar, and evil hunter on front bar.
On my stamsorc I am planning to use bound armaments+draugr hulk+ weapon crit pots to compensate for the less crit.
I can also go bone pirate instead for insane regen and in that case I won't even need to dark deal for the most part, but why bother with that when I can pop an immo pot and dark deal for free?
Not saying stamsorc is the best class or anything,I think they are well balanced right now. but its definitely is not below stamDK by any means, and it will be even better than it already is, when the next patch goes live.
Only thing stamDK does better right now is permablocking, which I believe shouldn't even be a thing at this point, and its only really gonna work against potatoes.
But...
If you think stamDK with its two dots+blockcasting are better to have than all the amazing stuff stamsorcs has, by all means, go and play a stamDk. See for yourself.
And here we go again. This is becoming a habit. I didnt compare stam DK with stam sorc in terms of which class is better overall. Seriously what is up with all DKs and you all become automatically hostile to anyone that dares to say anything about ur class apart from buff it.
I just simply stated that ur comparison makes no sense cause it simply doesnt. You compared 1 passive vs 1 toggle + 1 passive. Yes obviously the latter is going to be better. Thats like 2 abilities + 1 passive. The issue would be if it wasnt better. And bound armaments isnt so important. Not sure where u are getting this info. Half of stamsorcs dont even use it. Stam sorcs get their sustain from dark deal, not a 20% regen passive that they can only use if they slot a toggle which isnt even that good. And yes its not that good. If you compare it with inner light it becomes obvious that both morphs of bound armor need a complete rework.
except I didn't go hostile on you.
You are the only one acting hostile here now. I am only explaining to you why I believe stamsorc with armaments has better sustain than stamDK in general, and while I might be right or wrong, I do have some solid reasoning behind the things I say here.
I am not saying ''nerf stamsorc'', I am not saying ''sorc is this strong so lets make stamDK even stronger''
I am just saying what it is.
Read my post again and tell me where I go aggressive on you.
Also for your info I actually rerolled my stamDk so I am no longer a Dk main. Call me a meta boy or whatever, I Don't care. I plan to play stamsorc for a while now.
You went hostile cause as soon as i said something which isnt in favour of DK you started telling me how bad DKs are compared to stam sorc, all the good stuff stam sorcs have and DKs dont and how i should play stam DK if i believe that they are good.
All of that are entirely irrelevant with anything i told you. I even mentioned in this thread that stam DKs need massive buffs. I just said that ur comparison makes no sense. You basically complained why an ability that takes 2 slots + 1 passive is more powerful than 1 DK passive. Its more powerful cause it should be more powerful. Its 2 abilities + 1 passive vs 1 passive. Which one do you think should be better?
And bound armaments isnt even that good. It takes 2 slots just to give you some extra stam and some dmg on ur heavy attacks. This is the least of ur concerns when building a stam sorc and only slot it if u actually have room for it. Which doesnt really happen that often.
DocFrost72 wrote: »I really don't understand why we are the only class with only 2 stamina morphs in the game.
Noxious breath,
Venomous Claw,
Take Flight
Are all physical/poison based making them good for stamina. Unless of course you don't count incap, crescent, and warden bear in your other calculations. In that case, carry on.
Wasn't counting take flight since it's an ultimate. And yeah,stamina dk is the only class with only 2 useful stamina skills/passives.
Stamina sorc is close behind but his kit provides tons of more useful skill
As a Stamplar I only have one useful stamina morph for damage: Biting Jabs.
The other is Javelin, which can be a usefull CC, but the scaling from stamina isn't something that makes it's damage worth mentioning.
Besides that Stam DKs have better magicka utility than a Stamplar and better rescource management.
Don't see the problem.
Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »TrinityBreaker wrote: »
not to mention slotting bound armaments grants you %20 stam and hp recovery, with the daedric protection and it stacks with major recovery buffs as far as I know.
But I am obviously asking for too much when I say revert battle roar.
It also requires you to double bar it. You basically compared 1 stam sorc ability that needs two slots + one passive with one DK passive. How does that even make any sense?
It isn't really a huge sacrifice when you consider you can use overload bar for certain abilities and even dark deal.
Dk sustain is all stamDK has.The class is meant to have the best sustain, which isn't the case anymore.
So this is why bound armaments is sooo important. that skill is a double slot, but it gives you more sustain than a stamDk gets, if you're not planning on a permablock build.
On my stamDK 2h build I use FoO on back bar, and evil hunter on front bar.
On my stamsorc I am planning to use bound armaments+draugr hulk+ weapon crit pots to compensate for the less crit.
I can also go bone pirate instead for insane regen and in that case I won't even need to dark deal for the most part, but why bother with that when I can pop an immo pot and dark deal for free?
Not saying stamsorc is the best class or anything,I think they are well balanced right now. but its definitely is not below stamDK by any means, and it will be even better than it already is, when the next patch goes live.
Only thing stamDK does better right now is permablocking, which I believe shouldn't even be a thing at this point, and its only really gonna work against potatoes.
But...
If you think stamDK with its two dots+blockcasting are better to have than all the amazing stuff stamsorcs has, by all means, go and play a stamDk. See for yourself.
And here we go again. This is becoming a habit. I didnt compare stam DK with stam sorc in terms of which class is better overall. Seriously what is up with all DKs and you all become automatically hostile to anyone that dares to say anything about ur class apart from buff it.
I just simply stated that ur comparison makes no sense cause it simply doesnt. You compared 1 passive vs 1 toggle + 1 passive. Yes obviously the latter is going to be better. Thats like 2 abilities + 1 passive. The issue would be if it wasnt better. And bound armaments isnt so important. Not sure where u are getting this info. Half of stamsorcs dont even use it. Stam sorcs get their sustain from dark deal, not a 20% regen passive that they can only use if they slot a toggle which isnt even that good. And yes its not that good. If you compare it with inner light it becomes obvious that both morphs of bound armor need a complete rework.
except I didn't go hostile on you.
You are the only one acting hostile here now. I am only explaining to you why I believe stamsorc with armaments has better sustain than stamDK in general, and while I might be right or wrong, I do have some solid reasoning behind the things I say here.
I am not saying ''nerf stamsorc'', I am not saying ''sorc is this strong so lets make stamDK even stronger''
I am just saying what it is.
Read my post again and tell me where I go aggressive on you.
Also for your info I actually rerolled my stamDk so I am no longer a Dk main. Call me a meta boy or whatever, I Don't care. I plan to play stamsorc for a while now.
You went hostile cause as soon as i said something which isnt in favour of DK you started telling me how bad DKs are compared to stam sorc, all the good stuff stam sorcs have and DKs dont and how i should play stam DK if i believe that they are good.
All of that are entirely irrelevant with anything i told you. I even mentioned in this thread that stam DKs need massive buffs. I just said that ur comparison makes no sense. You basically complained why an ability that takes 2 slots + 1 passive is more powerful than 1 DK passive. Its more powerful cause it should be more powerful. Its 2 abilities + 1 passive vs 1 passive. Which one do you think should be better?
And bound armaments isnt even that good. It takes 2 slots just to give you some extra stam and some dmg on ur heavy attacks. This is the least of ur concerns when building a stam sorc and only slot it if u actually have room for it. Which doesnt really happen that often.
you are the only person who is aggressive here, and you keep getting more and more hostile.
You were the one asked me ''how does that make any sense''
And I explained to you with every possible detail.
This is how you repay me. Thanks a lot.
DocFrost72 wrote: »I really don't understand why we are the only class with only 2 stamina morphs in the game.
Noxious breath,
Venomous Claw,
Take Flight
Are all physical/poison based making them good for stamina. Unless of course you don't count incap, crescent, and warden bear in your other calculations. In that case, carry on.
Wasn't counting take flight since it's an ultimate. And yeah,stamina dk is the only class with only 2 useful stamina skills/passives.
Stamina sorc is close behind but his kit provides tons of more useful skill
As a Stamplar I only have one useful stamina morph for damage: Biting Jabs.
The other is Javelin, which can be a usefull CC, but the scaling from stamina isn't something that makes it's damage worth mentioning.
Besides that Stam DKs have better magicka utility than a Stamplar and better rescource management.
Don't see the problem.
Jabs
Power of the light
Javelin
+10% crit damage
Burning light
Those are all good stamina skills/passives
And better magicka utility really? Are we playing the same game? P U R G E
About sustain you're right,stamplar has the worst sustain but you have so much damage that you can build for more recovery
DocFrost72 wrote: »I really don't understand why we are the only class with only 2 stamina morphs in the game.
Noxious breath,
Venomous Claw,
Take Flight
Are all physical/poison based making them good for stamina. Unless of course you don't count incap, crescent, and warden bear in your other calculations. In that case, carry on.
Wasn't counting take flight since it's an ultimate. And yeah,stamina dk is the only class with only 2 useful stamina skills/passives.
Stamina sorc is close behind but his kit provides tons of more useful skill
As a Stamplar I only have one useful stamina morph for damage: Biting Jabs.
The other is Javelin, which can be a usefull CC, but the scaling from stamina isn't something that makes it's damage worth mentioning.
Besides that Stam DKs have better magicka utility than a Stamplar and better rescource management.
Don't see the problem.
Jabs
Power of the light
Javelin
+10% crit damage
Burning light
Those are all good stamina skills/passives
And better magicka utility really? Are we playing the same game? P U R G E
About sustain you're right,stamplar has the worst sustain but you have so much damage that you can build for more recovery
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »They could increase the damage from Heroic Slash but keep the nerf to the snare and change Major Heroism to Minor Heroism. That would make the skill a better spammable skill while nerfing it for builds which use it as buff skill (pretty much every stam build with swoard and board runs HS either as spammable or as buff skill).