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✭This is a huge buff to magicka DK in PvP, and those are already performing VERY WELL.
Live. I can power lash an opponent, interrupt them, and powerlash again, or dodge offbalance, and powerlash again. I can run a charged lighting for more PL. I can't do this anymore.
Dodge fix is a given, it was an old bug. But 3s cooldown is shaky. Because now if someone dodges it, you are SOL. It should be no cooldown. But consume offbalance if it stuns, or if it PLs twice. That way its not permanently spammable, but get can be used 2x in a row if the stun function doesn't work. After that offbalance would need to be reapplied.
Then don't even start on PvE.
OMG can't stop laughting
Interrupt ? WHAT do you interrupt in PvP Dark deal ? Snipe ? Hwo is dump enough to play with interreptable abilities and stay in a magicka DK range ? And What the hell do you do with your cps for having 120 in the atronach ? And why you do dodge on a magicka DK for putting ennemies off balance ?
Are you joking ? I'm used to dk non sens for trying to buff and defending their class, but here is a true l2p issue.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Its a fix for PVP. But they obviously couldnt give a flying [snip] about PVE.
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✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.3 -
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✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
And yet you constantly complain about poor little stamblade qqInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.
So now if I root someone and they instinctively dodgeroll while I'm Power Lash they've both 1) managed to dodge my Power Lash and 2) Now my Power Lash is on cooldown after it didn't do crap
WHAT A BUFF
You keep posting in these mDK threads and yet you clearly have ZERO experience with the class. It's complicated and I challenge you to try learning it before trying to edify the rest of us on a class you clearly don't understand.Edited by Kilandros on January 22, 2018 11:31PMInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.
I honestly think it's kind of ridiculous that dps mdk weren't using the dps morph, probably a big reason for some of these changes.Edited by Domander on January 22, 2018 11:34PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.
So now if I root someone and they instinctively dodgeroll while I'm Power Lash they've both 1) managed to dodge my Power Lash and 2) Now my Power Lash is on cooldown after it didn't do crap
WHAT A BUFF
You keep posting in these mDK threads and yet you clearly have ZERO experience with the class. It's complicated and I challenge you to try learning it before trying to edify the rest of us on a class you clearly don't understand.
didn't he just make a DK build running destro/resto with positive results?Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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✭✭✭✭✭This looks like a buff to me, compared to live.
People are angry because whip was OP for 2 weeks and it's being taken away before it sees the light of day.
We've all been there, not only DKs. First weeks pts makes you happy and then it's being taken away before it goes live.Auri-El is my lord,
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.
So now if I root someone and they instinctively dodgeroll while I'm Power Lash they've both 1) managed to dodge my Power Lash and 2) Now my Power Lash is on cooldown after it didn't do crap
WHAT A BUFF
You keep posting in these mDK threads and yet you clearly have ZERO experience with the class. It's complicated and I challenge you to try learning it before trying to edify the rest of us on a class you clearly don't understand.
Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2018 11:34PM6 -
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Shows what you know, I suck at stamblade. I much prefer Magblade and have for awhile
(I also tend to ask for QoL changes more than buffs )
Nor did you invalidate my point. So it still remains and stands as factual. Lets give it a week and seeEdited by NyassaV on January 22, 2018 11:35PMFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info0 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I main a PVE MagDK tank. Should I bother getting worked up by this?
Do you use powerlash to sustain/heal? If so, yes. You can use it twice in a 4s period every 20s or so.
Most mDK tanks (or stamDKs that use powerlash) will probably feel a bit more of a sustain crunch.
I'm just damn glad my main is a stamDK. Still, this change is just asinine.Edited by Jamini on January 22, 2018 11:35PM"Adapt. or Die."0 -
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Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.[/quote]
Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.Edited by Kilandros on January 22, 2018 11:39PMInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭The issue isn't with the cool down on Lash
The issue is the animation for Power Lash is way too long for a melee ability that can now be dodged....9 out of 10 of your Power Lashes will be dodged in PVP now with this change...90% of the people i power lash in pvp dodge during the time I am using it....good luck hitting anyone with it now...just wait till your Power Lash is dodged by Major Evasion lol
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✭✭✭✭DDuke wrote:Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.
Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.
Stamblades have dealt with this for years now (Incap), and the cooldown is much longer...Edited by DDuke on January 22, 2018 11:40PM3 -
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✭✭✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
OK, shall we change cyrodiil to a 1v1 battleground?This is a huge buff to magicka DK in PvP, and those are already performing VERY WELL.
Live. I can power lash an opponent, interrupt them, and powerlash again, or dodge offbalance, and powerlash again. I can run a charged lighting for more PL. I can't do this anymore.
Dodge fix is a given, it was an old bug. But 3s cooldown is shaky. Because now if someone dodges it, you are SOL. It should be no cooldown. But consume offbalance if it stuns, or if it PLs twice. That way its not permanently spammable, but get can be used 2x in a row if the stun function doesn't work. After that offbalance would need to be reapplied.
Then don't even start on PvE.
OMG can't stop laughting Interrupt ? WHAT do you interrupt in PvP Dark deal ? Snipe ? Hwo is dump enough to play with interreptable abilities and stay in a magicka DK range ? And What the hell do you do with your cps for having 120 in the atronach ? And why you do dodge on a magicka DK for putting ennemies off balance ?
Are you joking ? I'm used to dk non sens for trying to buff and defending their class, but here is a true l2p issue.
What do you interrupt? Resses, dark deals, jbeam spammers (templars are melee, and don't run away to cast.) pets etc. Breath is a life saver in many accounts. Relics in BGs.
Rolling to get out of roots because mist is bad and setting the enemy offbalance. This one requires weird CP settup so isn't really done. But I have seen some niche builds that use it for builds with lightning staff (heavy/light CP) and some high MAA, those that try to max PL for healing.
And then lighting staffs, which you conveniently missed off. That is decently common, even one such build on the forums.
"Hwo is dump enough" to think this is directly a buff for the "overperforming" DKs. Its not a buff, its not a nerf, its just some *** balance.Edited by ak_pvp on January 22, 2018 11:45PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
Tell me about it...
I'm looking at these changes & I'm seeing buffs vs builds mDK wasn't super strong against before & nerfs (undodgeability being fixed) vs builds mDK just rolled over.
I mean, what's the problem? Can any mDK tell me? <.<
In PvP, you get two Power Lashes after CC or roots (rather than just one that consumes Off Balance immediately).
In PvE, you're no longer bringing down the whole group by stealing Off Balance from targets.
So now if I root someone and they instinctively dodgeroll while I'm Power Lash they've both 1) managed to dodge my Power Lash and 2) Now my Power Lash is on cooldown after it didn't do crap
WHAT A BUFF
You keep posting in these mDK threads and yet you clearly have ZERO experience with the class. It's complicated and I challenge you to try learning it before trying to edify the rest of us on a class you clearly don't understand.
OMG what a shame, DK will need 10s more to kill medium armor build based ! ZOS nerf medium armor ! DK need help agaisnt them ! Medium armor shouldn't have a chance, even if it's minimal !
Seriously, if a magicka build is forced to dodge it's a good thing to you, they are soon dead because they will be out of stamina if they dodge again and again. You seems to forgot you can now have a powerlash 100% landing on a fosalized target THEN have one more 3s after.
Medium armor VS magicka dk is ..., no, there is nothing to say he is already dead.
If a block based build dodge, GG, it's the best way to pressure their stampool, they won't dodge anyway since they will block u for years and so you get the buff.
There is nothing else than a DK yo receive a buff and complain because the less efficient build against them can now dodge a skill that was BUGGED.8 -
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✭✭✭DDuke wrote:Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.
Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.
Stamblades have dealt with this for years now (Incap), and the cooldown is much longer...
Do you honestly think Power Lash is in the same league as Incap? Really?Invictus
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Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Sure.
I'd say it sucks a lot more to have an Incap get dodged than when someone dodges your Power Lash (which you can then use again after 3 seconds).
I'm failing to see the point here.
Are people that worked up about the fact that what was previously free f'in AP after the first Fossilize might now be a bit harder to kill?
Here's an idea:
Use your Power Lash after the dodge roll.
Fossilize->Flame Lash->Embers (still undodgeable)[opponent dodge rolls]->Power Lash->Flame Lash->RepeatEdited by DDuke on January 22, 2018 11:48PM5 -
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Sure.
I'd say it sucks a lot more to have an Incap get dodged than when someone dodges your Power Lash (which you can then use again after 3 seconds).
I'm failing to see the point here.
Are people that worked up about the fact that what was previously free f'in AP after the first Fossilize might now be a bit harder to kill?
Guess there are drawbacks to having an unblockable/undodgable stun :PMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Powerlash doesn't consume offbalance on bosses in PvE. Regardless if this is a buff or a nerf in PvP. (IMO its both, a stun and more easily frequent, but dodgable [yes its a bug fix, but still] and removes other methods of lash, i.e. tays build.) PvE magicka DK is effectively dead. 2 powerlashes in 20s. If you have the luck of getting the offbalance at the right time in your rotation.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭DDuke wrote:Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.
Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.
Stamblades have dealt with this for years now (Incap), and the cooldown is much longer...
Do you honestly think Power Lash is in the same league as Incap? Really?
They both hit hard... And Power Lash gives you a BoL heal over 2 seconds. Incap puts a debuff on the target and doesn't heal you BUT the debuff is really nice... So yeah, closeFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
Quantum_VClass RepresentativeI recognize stamblade v magDK is a tough fight, but yet, the balancing to this game should not revolve around duels.
Moreover, don't say mDKs need a nerf due to a transparent l2p issue. Stop blaming the game for everything.4 -
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✭✭✭✭DDuke wrote:Zero experience.
I'm just looking at mDK objectively. I recognize where they're too strong (i.e. vs dodge roll builds) and where being able to Power Lash more often isn't a bad thing (block builds, dmg shield builds).
It's called balance.
Sorry, but I don't agree that it's balanced to have an ability be dodged and then set on cooldown.
Stamblades have dealt with this for years now (Incap), and the cooldown is much longer...
Do you honestly think Power Lash is in the same league as Incap? Really?
They both hit hard... And Power Lash gives you a BoL heal over 2 seconds. Incap puts a debuff on the target and doesn't heal you BUT the debuff is really nice... So yeah, close
TBH, I'm fairly sure my mDK's Power Lash hits harder than most of the Eternal Hunt/whatever rollerblades' Incaps.
It's also quite interesting how next patch you can use Power Lash to stun opponents too (if you hit Off Balanced target that doesn't have CC immunity).
This allows for some entirely new burst combos to exist.2 -
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✭All DKs do is complain yet they remain the strongest class in a 1v1 patch after patch
OK, shall we change cyrodiil to a 1v1 battleground?This is a huge buff to magicka DK in PvP, and those are already performing VERY WELL.
Live. I can power lash an opponent, interrupt them, and powerlash again, or dodge offbalance, and powerlash again. I can run a charged lighting for more PL. I can't do this anymore.
Dodge fix is a given, it was an old bug. But 3s cooldown is shaky. Because now if someone dodges it, you are SOL. It should be no cooldown. But consume offbalance if it stuns, or if it PLs twice. That way its not permanently spammable, but get can be used 2x in a row if the stun function doesn't work. After that offbalance would need to be reapplied.
Then don't even start on PvE.
OMG can't stop laughting Interrupt ? WHAT do you interrupt in PvP Dark deal ? Snipe ? Hwo is dump enough to play with interreptable abilities and stay in a magicka DK range ? And What the hell do you do with your cps for having 120 in the atronach ? And why you do dodge on a magicka DK for putting ennemies off balance ?
Are you joking ? I'm used to dk non sens for trying to buff and defending their class, but here is a true l2p issue.
What do you interrupt? Resses, dark deals, jbeam spammers (templars are melee, and don't run away to cast.) pets etc. Breath is a life saver in many accounts. Relics in BGs.
Rolling to get out of roots because mist is bad and setting the enemy offbalance. This one requires weird CP settup so isn't really done. But I have seen some niche builds that use it for builds with lightning staff (heavy/light CP) and some high MAA, those that try to max PL for healing.
And then lighting staffs, which you conveniently missed off. That is decently common, even one such build on the forums.
"Hwo is dump enough" to think this is directly a buff for the "overperforming" DKs. Its not a buff, its not a nerf, its just some *** balance.
You don't know how work dk. Actually on live you need to strike first an ennemy you immobilised before to have access to power lash. Now you can directly have power lash immedialty after immobilized/stunning someone, and this is a HUGE buff for burst. You gain 1s.
A lightning staff dks, outside of not being viable is not gonna dodge, because he need stamina for cc break.1 -
Jamini✭✭✭✭✭Powerlash isn't an ultimate ability, and hits for far, far less than incap does.
Lash is part of a PvP or PvE rotation for a mDK, Incap is a FINISHER for a nightblade.
Let's not even mention the excessively high ultimate gen that NBs have built into their passives, while magDK is going to struggle to get a window to powerlash at all against anyone with CC immunity or immovables.
Comparing the two is absurd. They aren't even remotely close in usage or function."Adapt. or Die."5 -
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✭✭✭✭I recognize stamblade v magDK is a tough fight, but yet, the balancing to this game should not revolve around duels.
Moreover, don't say mDKs need a nerf due to a transparent l2p issue. Stop blaming the game for everything.
It's not just duels. If I come across a stamblade trying to enjoy some 1vX in Cyrodiil, I can completely ruin that stamblade's experience should I choose to do so.
I tend to leave them alone (because I've been on the other side of that fight) unless they attack me - it's just not a fair fight at all.2
