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Stop promoting racism!
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Racial passives should not provide any combat related buffs but be limited to "roleplay things" as already exist with things like less environmental lava damage or more swim speed.
Say NO to racism!
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Edited by [Deleted User] on January 21, 2018 10:05PM Say NO to racism!
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AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB
>320.000.000 AP
AD | AR 50 | Sanct Fir'eheal | ex Mana DK @31.10.2015
EP | AR 50 | Sanctosaurus | Mana NB
AD | AR 44 | rekt ya | Mana NB
AD | AR 41 | Sanct Thunderstorm | Mana Sorc
EP | AR 36 | S'na'ct | Mana NB {NA}
AD | AR 29 | Captain Full Fist| Stam DK
AD | AR 29 | Sanct The Dark Phoenix| Stam Sorc
EP | AR 16 | Horny Sanct | Stam Warden
EP | AR 16 | Sánct Bánáná Sláyér | Mana DK
DC | AR 13 | ad worst faction eu | Stam Sorc
DC | AR 13 | Lagendary Sanct | Mana NB
>320.000.000 AP
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Ruckly✭✭✭✭They are made up races in a made up world similar to that created by Tolkien. The fellowship of the ring had varying races each with varying strengths and weaknesses. The fellowship wasn't made up of 9 equivalent races in V-stripe jumpsuits. They might be equal in the eyes of Eru but they are not equivalent.31 -
Aelakhaii_De_Mythos✭✭✭✭What about a cluster of races though, cause i think AD are biologically and spiritually > EP and DC combined.6 -
programcanaan✭✭✭I thought this was going to have something to do with story narrative.
Racial stats aren't going to make people racist. Perhaps a bit biased when they're trying to optimize a build but not racist.4 -
Shezzarrine✭✭✭✭✭"Something is bad so let's just pretend it doesn't exist!" The Elder Scrolls lore is too deep to ignore issues like racism that are prevalent even in our world where everyone is human, could you even imagine if we had different sentient species? If you ignore the crimes that even happen in the real world it makes for a hollow game world. I don't see you complaining about being able to murder either..3
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✭Aelakhaii_De_Mythos wrote: »What about a cluster of races though, cause i think AD are biologically and spiritually > EP and DC combined.
Thats why the maps always red an altmer trying to kill there own queen no loyalty0 -
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duendology✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Let's make an issue when there's none...
Aren't there more serious problems in the world.. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND performance issues within the game itself?
Seriously?????????? o_0PC/NA
- Redguard StamBlade dps ["bowtard" crafty girl who likes spinning with daggers too.]
- Breton SorcMag dps [She's got an identity crisis, but I believe in her.]
- Dunmer Templar dps/healer [she's a healer, then again she likes inferno staff too...]
And..
- High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]
I am an old-fashioned Goth10 -
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✭Like, well, all good fiction, Elder Scrolls lore has always been written with an eye to being a lens through which to view our own real society - and especially its faults. The writing and direction of ESO has not shied away from this, highlighting race and species relations and issues of sexual orientation in particular. Slavery is a ubiquitous issue, and there's even straight up genocide.
...but what's being discussed here isn't that. This is just silliness.Edited by pauli133 on January 21, 2018 10:08PM5 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In the Elder Scrolls games, different races have certain natural inclinations to skills or innate characteristics such as a Dunmer's fire resistance. The specifics can change from game to game - Altmer no longer have a weakness to magic, for example - but racial differences are a constant.
That being said, those natural inclinations don't rule a character's destiny. Neither do they in ESO. My Breton Stam Sorc does just fine and indeed the majority of non-optimal race/class combinations will do perfectly fine at everything except for a top-tier DPS test.
Now, if you want to persuade top-end trials groups that they shouldn't exclude characters that are non-optimal races, perhaps you'd have a point I can agree with. Trying to remove lore-friendly combat buffs only tells me that you don't have much experience with past Elder Scrolls games.Edited by VaranisArano on January 21, 2018 10:18PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Demycilian wrote: »
Like I said - they make good rugs. ^^This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
AngelFires333✭✭✭✭✭It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.
And still be competitive.
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✭✭✭✭✭Disagree this has anything to do with racism
And disagree for the change
MORE should be made of races. In fact id prefer no any race any alliance pack, make alliances and races mean more in CyrodiilXbox One | EU | EP
Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
1st Emperor of RavenwatchAlts - - for the Lolz
Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master
Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
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Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AngelFires333 wrote: »It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.
And still be competitive.
Unless you are judging "competitive" by the ability to get top-tier DPS in a DPS contest or by being the first choice of top-tier trial leaderboard teams, ALL races/class combinations can be competitive.
ALL race/class combinations can complete all the content in the game as long as the player behind them has sufficient skill and experience. Now, you may not find a Trials leaderboard group that wants to take you on a leaderboard run because they could have a more optimal build in your place, but that's a very narrow definition of competitive.
Short of finding a top-tier trials team, if you are struggling with completing any content on a non-optimal race/class combo - I hate to say it - its not the race/class that's the problem. Its your skill as a player.
(Your two examples are really strange. Dunmer make fine Magblades and have some bonuses for a DW stamblade. Nords with two handed and heavy armor - have you looked at PVP lately? Neither of these are the most optimal choice for that class and build, but they'll work perfectly fine.)3 -
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Most vet trial groups simply have an dps requirements like 30k on dummy to join group.VaranisArano wrote: »In the Elder Scrolls games, different races have certain natural inclinations to skills or innate characteristics such as a Dunmer's fire resistance. The specifics can change from game to game - Altmer no longer have a weakness to magic, for example - but racial differences are a constant.
That being said, those natural inclinations don't rule a character's destiny. Neither do they in ESO. My Breton Stam Sorc does just fine and indeed the majority of non-optimal race/class combinations will do perfectly fine at everything except for a top-tier DPS test.
Now, if you want to persuade top-end trials groups that they shouldn't exclude characters that are non-optimal races, perhaps you'd have a point I can agree with. Trying to remove lore-friendly combat buffs only tells me that you don't have much experience with past Elder Scrolls games.
If you can do this on an low cp Khajiit magic warden you are welcome.
Note they might also request skills and gear to help group.
On the other hand the racial passives in ESO works opposite of how they worked in daggerfall, morrowind and oblivion, here they was an base skill and attribute bonus who was migrated as you leveled up while in ESO they unlock as you level up.
Now one of this ideas works well in an single player game with an difficulty slider the other in an competitive multiplayer game.
Selecting wrong here require some skill, probably the same level as wiping repeatably on first trash in wayrest 1.
Its part of the overall ESO system fails: at least dungeon finder mostly work after a year work, other stuff like search is bank or shops, changing hair color or an reply to mail button is not even an no ETA.
The racial passives survived beta because of soft caps, soft caps went away.
Now racism because of meta focus among casuals can have drastic effects if it generates enough QQ.
negative skill level * negative skill level= an positive number.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.2 -
AngelFires333✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »AngelFires333 wrote: »It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.
And still be competitive.
Unless you are judging "competitive" by the ability to get top-tier DPS in a DPS contest or by being the first choice of top-tier trial leaderboard teams, ALL races/class combinations can be competitive.
ALL race/class combinations can complete all the content in the game as long as the player behind them has sufficient skill and experience. Now, you may not find a Trials leaderboard group that wants to take you on a leaderboard run because they could have a more optimal build in your place, but that's a very narrow definition of competitive.
Short of finding a top-tier trials team, if you are struggling with completing any content on a non-optimal race/class combo - I hate to say it - its not the race/class that's the problem. Its your skill as a player.
(Your two examples are really strange. Dunmer make fine Magblades and have some bonuses for a DW stamblade. Nords with two handed and heavy armor - have you looked at PVP lately? Neither of these are the most optimal choice for that class and build, but they'll work perfectly fine.)
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✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »AngelFires333 wrote: »It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.
And still be competitive.
Unless you are judging "competitive" by the ability to get top-tier DPS in a DPS contest or by being the first choice of top-tier trial leaderboard teams, ALL races/class combinations can be competitive.
ALL race/class combinations can complete all the content in the game as long as the player behind them has sufficient skill and experience. Now, you may not find a Trials leaderboard group that wants to take you on a leaderboard run because they could have a more optimal build in your place, but that's a very narrow definition of competitive.
Short of finding a top-tier trials team, if you are struggling with completing any content on a non-optimal race/class combo - I hate to say it - its not the race/class that's the problem. Its your skill as a player.
(Your two examples are really strange. Dunmer make fine Magblades and have some bonuses for a DW stamblade. Nords with two handed and heavy armor - have you looked at PVP lately? Neither of these are the most optimal choice for that class and build, but they'll work perfectly fine.)
Well, in a pvp environment, where all resources are important, a 10% bonus on a resource (e.g. altmer magicka) ist extremely strong.
So, I disagree that racial bonuses are "only important for extreme top end dps". Playing a non optimum race for a class does significantly influence performance in pvp. Which is why I tend to oppose the notion of removing "any eace, any alliance".0 -
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✭✭Racial passives should not provide any combat related buffs but be limited to "roleplay things" as already exist with things like less environmental lava damage or more swim speed.
I agree
I've bought 4 race change tokens during sale to change my beautiful khajiiti characters so they can get some "better" passives (i.e. change khajiit magblade to altmer magblade). But each time I decide I will finally change them, I look at those cute faces and think "I will do it next day". Then next day I think the same...
Developers force us to either play characters which we like visually, or play characters which we don't like but have better passives. Lucky are those people who actually have and like to play characters with "perfect" racial and class combinations (i.e. dunmer magdk). I am not lucky cause I like my khajiit magplar and don't like her racial passives with 0 bonuses... Even nord magplar would be better cause of some health and damage resistance bonus
I've created redguard stamplar (which would normally be a khajiit in my case - if it wasn't for nice stamina bonuses and "any race any alliance" so she can be in AD) some time ago. Even though I do not regret it cause when she is still fighting my khajiit would be out of stamina, but playing her just feels as playing some generic character.0 -
Aeslief✭✭✭✭✭This thread is not what I was expecting from the title...
I think it’s good to have meaningful racial differences. After all, you get to choose your race at the beginning. Choosing your race is like choosing to become a vampire. It’s a total package so you have to decide, what’s more important to you, your raw numbers or your RP?0 -
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✭They are made up races in a made up world similar to that created by Tolkien. The fellowship of the ring had varying races each with varying strengths and weaknesses. The fellowship wasn't made up of 9 equivalent races in V-stripe jumpsuits. They might be equal in the eyes of Eru but they are not equivalent.
Except that weaknesses tend to pile up the further a race is from Eru or Valar, i.e. races and even different groups within the same race are odered in pretty strict hierarchy of higher and lesser races/groups.
Also, there were apparently higher and lesser genders, given that of all nine members of the fellowship, only Legolas was female. Which is something MMOs do not dare to replicate, e.g. in form of gender passives.1 -
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This however require both players to be very good and in an 1x1 setting, standard is one good pvp players and one just after the AP. The after AP tend to be in PvE setup but use race for why he sucks, he also use it to explain how he only do 8K on dummy.VaranisArano wrote: »AngelFires333 wrote: »It would be nice to play any race for any roll.
Dunmer - Nightblade
Nord - 2 handed warrior based off of stamina able to wear heavy armor and still get plenty of stam. (I can not stand S/B)
etc, etc.
And still be competitive.
Unless you are judging "competitive" by the ability to get top-tier DPS in a DPS contest or by being the first choice of top-tier trial leaderboard teams, ALL races/class combinations can be competitive.
ALL race/class combinations can complete all the content in the game as long as the player behind them has sufficient skill and experience. Now, you may not find a Trials leaderboard group that wants to take you on a leaderboard run because they could have a more optimal build in your place, but that's a very narrow definition of competitive.
Short of finding a top-tier trials team, if you are struggling with completing any content on a non-optimal race/class combo - I hate to say it - its not the race/class that's the problem. Its your skill as a player.
(Your two examples are really strange. Dunmer make fine Magblades and have some bonuses for a DW stamblade. Nords with two handed and heavy armor - have you looked at PVP lately? Neither of these are the most optimal choice for that class and build, but they'll work perfectly fine.)
Well, in a pvp environment, where all resources are important, a 10% bonus on a resource (e.g. altmer magicka) ist extremely strong.
So, I disagree that racial bonuses are "only important for extreme top end dps". Playing a non optimum race for a class does significantly influence performance in pvp. Which is why I tend to oppose the notion of removing "any eace, any alliance".
Hoping for more QQ treads about this as it will hasten an fix.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
klowdy1✭✭✭✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »"Something is bad so let's just pretend it doesn't exist!" The Elder Scrolls lore is too deep to ignore issues like racism that are prevalent even in our world where everyone is human, could you even imagine if we had different sentient species? If you ignore the crimes that even happen in the real world it makes for a hollow game world. I don't see you complaining about being able to murder either..
It's a game. Let's not read too much into it, and make problems where none are. The creators of the game more than likely didn't go into it thinking about making a statement other than "hey, play my game." If you see racism, it was created in your own mind.
Repeat, this is a game, and one of deep fantasy.
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✭✭Shezzarrine wrote: »"Something is bad so let's just pretend it doesn't exist!" The Elder Scrolls lore is too deep to ignore issues like racism that are prevalent even in our world where everyone is human, could you even imagine if we had different sentient species? If you ignore the crimes that even happen in the real world it makes for a hollow game world. I don't see you complaining about being able to murder either..
It's a game. Let's not read too much into it, and make problems where none are. The creators of the game more than likely didn't go into it thinking about making a statement other than "hey, play my game." If you see racism, it was created in your own mind.
Repeat, this is a game, and one of deep fantasy.
To play devil's advocate:
So if you personally don't see racism, then racism does not exist? Munch on that for a few.1
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