Can Stamina Sorcs Get A Class Spmmable Or Anything?

Vapirko · January 2018

Stamina sorcs have *** for damage skills outside of hurricane. Can we get even one stamina morph of another class skill even if it’s another dot? How about a stamina morph of mages wrath or curse?

Morgul667 · January 2018

Would be great but with zos i dont see it happening

Im in favor though

Luckylancer · January 2018

1.Make a rotation
2.fill the blanks with HAs
3.?????
4.Profit?

Apherius · January 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Stamina sorcs have *** for damage skills outside of hurricane. Can we get even one stamina morph of another class skill even if it’s another dot? How about a stamina morph of mages wrath or curse?

whaaaat , why not crystal blast instead ? This skill is useless as hell, or maybe restraining prison.

Both curse morphs are used by sorc ,one when you have pet (PVE generally + PVP pet build ) one when you don't use pet ( PVP generally + PVE without pet )
Same thing about wrath.

Morgul667 · January 2018

Luckylancer wrote: »

1.Make a rotation
2.fill the blanks with HAs
3.?????
4.Profit?

That deserves an awesome

Morgul667 · January 2018

Apherius wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

Stamina sorcs have *** for damage skills outside of hurricane. Can we get even one stamina morph of another class skill even if it’s another dot? How about a stamina morph of mages wrath or curse?

whaaaat , why not crystal blast instead ? This skill is useless as hell, or maybe restraining prison.

Both curse morphs are used by sorc ,one when you have pet (PVE generally + PVP pet build ) one when you don't use pet ( PVP generally + PVE without pet )
Same thing about wrath.

Any skill would be fine at this stage

FakeFox · January 2018

Why not simply use Shrouded Daggers? Its better then any class spammable could ever hope to achieve.

Sixty5 · January 2018

I'd honestly settle for Bound Armour being interesting.

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Why not simply use Shrouded Daggers? Its better then any class spammable could ever hope to achieve.

Because it binds you to a specific weapon? That's what a class spam is about, having a tool to spam without being reliant on a specific weapon. Especially in PvP.

DDuke · January 2018

How about Master 2H+Brawler?

Easy 10k+ tooltip even on single target if you know what you're doing, and has some defensive utility as well.

Edit: speaking of PvP of course.

Karm1cOne · January 2018

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

SilverIce58 · January 2018

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

And again, that ultimately binds mag Sorcs to destro staves. While that being no problem in PvE, some prefer an old school DW mag Sorc in PvP. But they can hardly play that anymore bc no spam and (besides DE) no way to return main resources.

Also, wrath does far too little damage outside of execute range and Entropy is a dot.

SilverIce58 · January 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

And again, that ultimately binds mag Sorcs to destro staves. While that being no problem in PvE, some prefer an old school DW mag Sorc in PvP. But they can hardly play that anymore bc no spam and (besides DE) no way to return main resources.

Also, wrath does far too little damage outside of execute range and Entropy is a dot.

Oh wow, I literally had no idea about Degeneration/Entropy being dots. Makes sense now lmao, guess I didn't read well enough.

Vapirko · January 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

And again, that ultimately binds mag Sorcs to destro staves. While that being no problem in PvE, some prefer an old school DW mag Sorc in PvP. But they can hardly play that anymore bc no spam and (besides DE) no way to return main resources.

Also, wrath does far too little damage outside of execute range and Entropy is a dot.

That’s because wrath is an execute. I’m mostly coming from a pvp point of view, since stam sorcs are fine in PvE. But we have literally no class skills to help build up burst or anything. If you want to play dw as a stam sorc you’re completely reliant on dawn breaker for your burst or the intermittent use of skoria which, while powerful, is less useful than other monster sets imo. I’d rather be running a domihaus and another one piece. Or bloodspawn. Of course NB and also Templar have very strong skills for stam users. DKs are in the same boat as sorcs. That’s why I say even one one timed burst skill like curse would be useful.

Yubarius · January 2018

FakeFox wrote: »

Why not simply use Shrouded Daggers? Its better then any class spammable could ever hope to achieve.

Undodgeable And unreflectable birds? Major Fracture on Surprise attack? Jabs snare, burning light proc, major savagery for free? Shrouded daggers isn't that bad, but it is DEFINITELY not comparable to stam class spammables.

KingYogi415 · January 2018

We had bloodthirst before ZOS ruined the game.

Calboy · January 2018

Sorc is the most screwed up pvp class in the game especially for console. Pets have no way to be controlled, so that just makes the whole summoning idea completely useless. That leaves mag sorc with pretty much one viable build. Stam sorc has no class damage skills outside of the nerfed hurricane. They are full weapon line plus some boring utility skills.

My sorc is my original character with more play time and achievements than all my others but he's been relegated, for a long time now, to be my crafter.

Beardimus · January 2018

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

Force Pulse is Destro, so same as StamSorc using shrouded daggers.
Entropy does hardly any damage
Wrath is very low damage until execute

MagSorc uses to be able to use Trapping Webs from fighters guild but that's a stam ability now

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

And again, that ultimately binds mag Sorcs to destro staves. While that being no problem in PvE, some prefer an old school DW mag Sorc in PvP. But they can hardly play that anymore bc no spam and (besides DE) no way to return main resources.

Also, wrath does far too little damage outside of execute range and Entropy is a dot.

That’s because wrath is an execute. I’m mostly coming from a pvp point of view, since stam sorcs are fine in PvE. But we have literally no class skills to help build up burst or anything. If you want to play dw as a stam sorc you’re completely reliant on dawn breaker for your burst or the intermittent use of skoria which, while powerful, is less useful than other monster sets imo. I’d rather be running a domihaus and another one piece. Or bloodspawn. Of course NB and also Templar have very strong skills for stam users. DKs are in the same boat as sorcs. That’s why I say even one one timed burst skill like curse would be useful.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you in all those points. I play a DW Stam Sorc in PvP myself. I'm just saying that not only stam Sorcs can use some love there, but that mag Sorcs have the same bland and boring build "possibilites" as well. So yes, I'm all in for some sort of class skill change.

Narvuntien · January 2018

Wont be happening while they have the stupid implosion passive.

Opps your health got too low pop your dead.

LordSemaj · January 2018

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Karm1cOne wrote: »

Can mag sorcs get included in that? Neither mag or stam sorcs have a spammable.

Well, magsorcs have a few spammables already. Force Pulse (since both bars are destro), the 2nd Mage's Guild skill, Mage's Wrath in storm magic line (which is an execute, but it doesn't cost much). That's 3 more than stamsorcs have (not counting that thrown dagger skill)

And again, that ultimately binds mag Sorcs to destro staves. While that being no problem in PvE, some prefer an old school DW mag Sorc in PvP. But they can hardly play that anymore bc no spam and (besides DE) no way to return main resources.

Also, wrath does far too little damage outside of execute range and Entropy is a dot.

How about if they changed one of the sorc or mage abilities to convert Weapon Damage into Spell Damage and gain resources from heavies? You could run the ability on your hotbar and as long as it's slotted you can Dual Wield and still get magicka from it.

Chilly-McFreeze · January 2018

Narvuntien wrote: »

Wont be happening while they have the stupid implosion passive.

Opps your health got too low pop your dead.

I skip the part where I argument about how the next source of physical or lightning damage you recieve while being under 15% health (3,75k with pretty ordinary 25k max health) probably would have killed you anyway, what an execute would do to you in such a situation, how low a 6% threshold is and how that damage scales with the mages max health instead of main resources and what this would mean for PvE...

...and be the first to tell you that many PvP sorcs would glady trade this unreliable passive for something with with permanent use and, like you mentioned, a spammable on top of it.