Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Clearly you've never played Neverwinter Nights or Secret World .

I haven't actually, since the combat even looks boring, I'd doubt it even fun to play with.

For other MMOs developed during the sme time ESO fares well . An active dodge and block system with breakfree from cc (when it works lol) . So many games do not have these simple additions we enjoy . New games have more stylized combat , BDO for instance . Sure the animations are always better on newer games but ESO has a more fluid system with its counterplay . BDO has no real cc break . Eso has most everything needed to feel engaging , including interupts .

But it feels much worse to hit a sword, or mace compare to BDO. If I'm on BDO forum, I'd make a thread about how BDO should have cc break. But now I'm on ESO forum, so I'd love to see some change to the combat animation

Ya of course but like I said before ESO can not handle anymore graphically . Devs are trying to reduce what we see because of lag .BDO is very beautiful combat but node wars lag insane . Pop up graphics everywhere in combat . Here there is more graphics stability . Which is much more important when fighting other players .

The animation looks fine once, actually. I'm emphasizing the "once" part.

I can see some of your points. One difference between this game and many other is this isnt a tab targeting game. Yes you can tab target but not in the normal MMO sense where you tab target and can literally be facing the opposite direction while running away and still hit the person. Those games look fluid because they just play an animation without having to really worry about doing a lot of checks especially not having to worry about a hit box. You can even cast a skill and go out of range but as long as you cast it prior to it goes off. Obviously that doesn’t really happen in ESO as much. Also LoS isn’t as big of an issue in other games.

I’m sure there are a few other action combat MMOs out there that don’t do that and maybe do combat better than ESO, I just haven’t played them. But I came to ESO from FFXIV and gave BnS a try for a few months and combat in those games were easier and a bit boring (especially FFXIV). People think rotations in this game are monotonous, play one of those games lol.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

There could be an option for combinations... for example, do light-light-heavy-heavy and get an special attack instead of the last heavy blow; do light-light-light-heavy-skill and get 20% effect boost on the class skill use; and more of the like. (would be a nifty way to sneak in additional animations!)

Actually, they had that in DAoC. You had attacks that could combo together as well as having reactive (based on if you parried or evaded) and positional requirements. I loved my valewalker for this reason.

Honestly, i would welcome improvement, but compared to ESO's actual competitors on the game market--MMORPGs made by a huge AAA studio that try to offer the same level and amount of content--there's no real competition. And I'm not thinking combat/shooter or team-based multiplayers, because those aren't in the same class.

ESO Combat isn't bad, but it could be better. I think a lot of animations and *** need to be cleared up a bit and feel a bit more impactful. I need to have more animations that have a real kick on them. Maybe spice up the animations of some skills too and have some way that attacks feel a bit more responsive so you know when they hit.

Animation canceling is actually fairly fun imo regardless of it being unpopular of an opinion or not, but it could be perhaps a bit more flowy at times not helped by sometimes bugs and other issues.

Overall I think ESO combat is good but just needs more power in the abilities and stuff. It doesn't have to be super flashy but like, maybe just a bit more spice to things, especially melee combat.

I think it certainly could use some improvement I’ve played staff, DW and bow a lot and sure staffs can be clunky at times and ice staff wow that’s just awful but I recently picked up asylum 2h so I tried it out even though my 2h level is about 12 or something but omg what a slug it wasn’t for me

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Id say as with anything there's always room for improvement... But when I compare this games combat to other mmos with magic/melee weapons this game is leagues ahead.

Just for curiosity, but which MMO are you comparing ESO to?
And to be honest, if you enjoy ESO, good for you mate. I'm just curious, that's all

Try playing ffxiv. Number one mmo of 2017, yet the combat is a snooze. There are no layers, everything has a global cooldown and a multi second channel time and the effects are nowhere near as well done. Yes it's a classic mmo and a game that's older than eso, but it's also higher rated. The only challenge in that game in my opinion is healing because you need to start channeling a life saving heal two hours before the target takes damage.

Really, eso is in the top 3 for the top MMORPG mmos for 2017 for both combat feel and visuals in my books (im not comparing to games like fortnite or destiny 2 due to them being different combat) The combat is very interactive and has a complex system that is fun to learn.

In short im willing to put up with the odd swing of my axe that doesn't perfectly pierce a targets skin in exchange for the depth (interrupts, blocks, roll dodge, ground AOEs, target dots, shields, evasion) and beauty that eso offers.

My only gripe with eso is smart heal. But it's something I've learned to live with.

I would also like to add, lag makes things a lot worse too. PvE it rarely affects me unless I’m on a really bad connection. But combat in PvP around a lot of people can be unbearable at times. Having to hit a button ten times to get a skill off or trying to weapon swap, good luck! Is it their servers? Coding and programming? I don’t know much about that stuff but I do know the combat would be way better if that part was more fluid.

Enslaved wrote: »

Can combat in ESO be improved? Sure.
Is it at levels OP want us to believe?
No it is not nearly as bad and idk why would anyone play a mmorpg where they find combat badly designed. Suggestion to OP: If ESO combat is below ur standards, go play something else.

No, my passion for ESO repels me from doing that

wolfydog wrote: »

I dont think its that bad.

Its WAY better then any single player ES game overall. Maybe theres no spellcrafting fun but besides that its way better.

Its still better then many MMO's cause there just haven't been that many good mmo's since this game came out. And WoW era combat doesn't work anymore. I can still live with the graphics, there good enough still and that cartoony style is a bit more timeless, but the combat is horrid.

I valid your OP, but don't say ESO combat is better than the OG ES games
Seriously, don't, unless you want a bunch of Skyrim fans come after you

idk wrote: »

The issue about creating a poll like this is being embarrassed with how few actually ageee with you. Only 15% basically agree with OP at this point. Granted, OP seems to want so to be more like BDO based on a comment he made which probably sums things up.

So far only 41% of people disagree on my OP, and 51% agrees to the point that some improvements have gotta be done.
The poll have 5 options, 3 agree (on various level), 1 disagree, and 1 neutral, just to make it less confusing

Runefang wrote: »

You misspelled better. Most MMOs have archaic combat systems, nobody is as good as ESO.

The only 2 tab targeting MMORPG left on the market worth getting into are WOW and FF14, all others are action combat now.
Tera, WIldstar, Blade and Souls, Dragon Nest, Black desert, just to name a few.

Inarre wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Id say as with anything there's always room for improvement... But when I compare this games combat to other mmos with magic/melee weapons this game is leagues ahead.

Just for curiosity, but which MMO are you comparing ESO to?
And to be honest, if you enjoy ESO, good for you mate. I'm just curious, that's all

Try playing ffxiv. Number one mmo of 2017, yet the combat is a snooze. There are no layers, everything has a global cooldown and a multi second channel time and the effects are nowhere near as well done. Yes it's a classic mmo and a game that's older than eso, but it's also higher rated. The only challenge in that game in my opinion is healing because you need to start channeling a life saving heal two hours before the target takes damage.

Really, eso is in the top 3 for the top MMORPG mmos for 2017 for both combat feel and visuals in my books (im not comparing to games like fortnite or destiny 2 due to them being different combat) The combat is very interactive and has a complex system that is fun to learn.

In short im willing to put up with the odd swing of my axe that doesn't perfectly pierce a targets skin in exchange for the depth (interrupts, blocks, roll dodge, ground AOEs, target dots, shields, evasion) and beauty that eso offers.

My only gripe with eso is smart heal. But it's something I've learned to live with.

I have got to say, FF14 really nails the story telling and plot, it is superb!
But when it comes to combat, sweet baby Jesus! Waiting to cast your spell is somehow more boring than watching paint dry