ZOS thinks we want long dungeons. It's not what I want, but I'm sure some people will be happy. I like Fungal Grotto 1 and Spindleclutch. Those are the length I enjoy which is why I have about zero interest in any DLC dungeon at all. I'll probably play the new ones once each to knock it off the list and move back to my regular schedule.

The reason I seldom play DLC dungeon is not their difficulty its their length. Im not interesting in dungeons that take long time to complete.

So yeah I agree

I already gave my feedback to fang lair in the German section though I repeat it here. I also think that the dungeon itself is scaled a bit to large and has to much trash in it - especially constant 6+ mobs trash-groups for tanks whose sustain got just nerfed heavily. The trash doesn't prepare you on any boss abilities actually and is thus just a time sink for clearing the dungeon to fast.

On vet, only two bosses deserve some positive mentioning. The zoo-boss (bear, panther, guar and nix-hounds) is a bit challenging but fun to play and the final boss is actually good designed in his normal mode but probably overtuned in HM as 2 spawned bugs drain 16k stamina in just under 2 seconds making you a one-shot on the bosses scarab ability let alone the constant talon-spam of the tiny skelettons and the one-shotting (at least the other players) attronachs as due to constant bombard by the boss or its bugs I have no resources left to taunt anything other. The other, not mentioned bosses could need a little buff actually. Though I ran with a group formed by the random dungeon finder and withouth any VoIP tool. We did normal first and decided afterwards to attempt vet, which we cleared in non-hardmode finally, hence our coordination was probably not where it should have been and we probably didn't figure out the final strat on the endboss in hm yet as we didn't survive P1.

Slick_007 wrote: »

as someone who was around when wow dungeons were 4hrs - for the first half, most of you probably wouldnt know what a long dungeon was even if it bit you on the ass.

As someone who played FFXI for 10 years, which spat on the casual themepark that is WoW time and again when comparing time it took to complete content, these dungeons are far too long with too many unnecessary blobs of trash.

I own every DLC except the dungeons one because I don't want them to pop-up into my random queue. I'm sorry, but my playtime is limited and playing with pugs teams is hell with those.

i have every dungeon DLC (because I'm eso plus and am forced to have them)

I don't like a single one of them.

they have NEVER been designed for casual players to just go have fun and kill some time in a dungeon.

they are all Trial lights designed to keep the vocal end game players busy between content, and its painfully obvious as they are all set up like little trials. with a classic trash mobs then boss then more trash mobs then boss then more trash mobs and final boss, etc.

linear dungeon design where the only creativity is trying to find out what you can cheese to get past (this is also DUMB, people say there is too much trash and others reply like your SUPOSED to cheese past stuff, sorry, that's dumb)

not once has there been a casual or interesting dungeon that took place in say a small zone or town, with various objectives (not BOSSES all the time) that you could tackle in any order, or say even split up because its no so DAMN combat focused.

nope, nothing like that EVER, just constant trial lights for the small group of end game trial and vet dungeon runners filled with packs of trash mobs, constant bosses, and linear straight line dungeons for them to zerg through and get there shiny new skin (then come cry in the forums about game difficulty or when ZOS puts a skin in the store)

thanks no thanks

I love ESO but the dungeons are not fun, boring, and are the only area of the game I feel ESO falls flat on its face, and something they place far too much in terms of rewards behind, EVERY ONE has various unique item sets, monster sets, skins, and motifs EACH.

I HATE ESO's Dungeon system.

but I will always pay for ESO plus and extra crowns because I still do love and support the rest of the game.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The trick is to ignore all adds on the way and wipe at the boss, then wait for the aggro to reset before you revive and you successfully skipped a lot of it. (Not recommended on no-death runs).

No thanks. At least for me deliberately wiping is not an enjoyable playstyle. I prefer to have a longer run instead of a non-enjoyable shorter one.

Now to @Wing

A dungeon which forces to party to split up is a nice idea, but besides of that please make any suggestion what you would see instead. Because the entire game is rather combat oriented. If you want to see e.g. a riddle, bare in mind that these things get boring very fast once the solution is known.

Adernath wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The trick is to ignore all adds on the way and wipe at the boss, then wait for the aggro to reset before you revive and you successfully skipped a lot of it. (Not recommended on no-death runs).

No thanks. At least for me deliberately wiping is not an enjoyable playstyle. I prefer to have a longer run instead of a non-enjoyable shorter one.

Now to @Wing

A dungeon which forces to party to split up is a nice idea, but besides of that please make any suggestion what you would see instead. Because the entire game is rather combat oriented. If you want to see e.g. a riddle, bare in mind that these things get boring very fast once the solution is known.

oh I agree as far as puzzles are concerned.

but as I have said on the forums before, I came from DDO, every quest was an instanced dungeon.

I guess one that stands out consisted of a small fortress you had to break into. there were catapults around you could shoot yourself into various places of the fort (pick were you enter) or iirc two guarded gates. http://ddowiki.com/page/Frame_Work

you could get bonus xp and loot by killing more enemies that would spawn if bells were rung, or ignore that and speed it up by killing the watchmen that would ring the bells.

you then had to make your way through the fort using any of the above methods and beat the boss (and plant evidence to break up an enemy alliance)

the whole area was very small, it had no transition points or load screens, no rooms or buildings to enter, just a small camp in the woods with lots of way to deal with the encounter and the ball in the players court of what to do.

if it were eso it would have been a straight line with packs of 6 ish guys every few feet then a boss, repeat till end boss.

another interesting quest was http://ddowiki.com/page/Tear_of_Dhakaan , it was actually pretty straight forward but had many optional side tunnels that rewarded bonus xp and loot (with skill requirements for some like a charisma or strength score etc.)

now you could zerg the main tunnel and call it good, or you could all together do the optionals, or the main group could zerg while those qualified to solo the optionals went and did them while others continued clearing.

once again, options, choices, risks vs rewards.

The rewards kinda suck.. and even on hm the crystals drops suck. The most i have gotten is 4. I thata lame.

I length is not on top of my list for dislikes. Pugs skip the trash if they can.