A good start and the system sounds very good which is nice surprise after barbershop fiasco

Next thing they really need to add an ability to hide stuff, use clothing stolen from NPC's and also use items as part of making outfit. Motifs are all good so far but there are items that dont have motif available at all or items that dont have motif available anymore and you cant give something to friend as part of outfit if its just and motif in you menu, it needsto be item that can be used for outfit.

Considering this system is still three days from seeing public play, people seem to have formed very solid opinions on it already which strikes me as odd.

The most anyone has seen is a blurry ESO Live screen with @ZOS_Finn being the lovely assistant pointing to more things we couldn't see. No-one has tried it nor tested it.

Once it releases on the PTS in a few days and people have a chance to play with it, I expect opinions will change. It has practically infinite customisation, you are given a free outfit per character and all characters can use motifs learned on any other character. I fail to see how this could be better other than letting us use non-crafted motifs but I expect that may come in the future.

Looking forward to seeing how it works first-hand and playing around with what is such a long awaited system.

So we do not get Transmog, we get an Outfit system. Okay... Would've preferred Transmog but what ev... Better than nothing I suppose.

Since most of my characters use outfits already, this wont have much of an impact on me anyway. Cool extra thing to have I suppose, but nothing to go all bouncing happy about the meadows and stuff.

And the limit of only having 1 (which I got the impression of being one for each character, and only for that character) really robs the system of any practical value. Well for me at least. There is no way in hell I'll be spending real life money on having the option to have more than one Custom Outfit available on any given character.

The problem I have with an outfit system is that it replaces what you wear with the illusion of wearing something else, regardless of what you are wearing. I, like many others, run around carrying more than one set of gear. One for PVP, one for PVE, or maybe we have different sets for different roles. (DPS set, Tanking set, Healin set) and so on.

In fact, I have two character that run around having full sets of Cowards gear in their inventory, even though they are Magicka based builds, because having that set makes running errands so much easier and less time consuming. And as long as they have a decent magicka set as their second gear set, they can still deal with any overland mobs that decide to get all ornery and stuff with them.

As long as they are running an Outfit it doesn't make a licking difference, appearance wise, as to as to what they are wearing. Add I suppose to some that is a boon - and that's what Outfits are for. But for those who have several sets they use, depending on the activity they are doing, Transmog system would've been so much better.

With an Outfit system, I would have to purchase enough slots to cover every combination of gear sets I might equip, and that gets unwieldy real fast. Plus it's a separate equip, and my characters appearance will not organically change based on what I am wearing, but by what Outfit I have active.

Most of the time my magicka characters wear 5 light for obvious reasons - but sometimes I come across a situation that requires a little different set of tactics. And I may go all tanky with 5 heavy pieces and a different set of skills on my bar. In fact my main tends to have both 5 piece heavy option and 5 piece light option in his inventory for his primary gear set. With Transmog my appearance would change depending on what pieces I am wearing, while an Outfit system just gives you blanket appearance change.

I am not saying that Outifts are bad. They're not, they have a purpose and it's nice that we get to a system for making our own. But limiting it to 1 (And requiring real money for more) is a bad idea, and will limit it's usefulness a lot. And it just isn't the same as Transmog at the end of the day. Outfit system is a different beast and comes with different advantages and different limitations than a proper Transmog system, and I for one was hoping for a real Transmog. But what ev... An extra outfit is an extra outfit, and I guess I'll get some mileage out of it in any event.

- Edit - Almost forgot... The point I was supposed to make is that an Outfit systems gives you the option to design the look of your character, and to retain that specific look regardless of what you are actually wearing. But some of us, like me for an example, like having our appearance change depending on what we are wearing and doing. And with Transmog it is lot easier to customize that sort of stuff than it is with an Outfit system. That's all. If you are happy with an Outfit system, then good for you. But do try to understand why some of us are less than thrilled that this is the way they opted to go with.

ParaNostram wrote: »

Ah... Count on ZOS to know how to implement a highly requested system in the worst possible way. ESO is a tragedy of promising ideas with disastrous implementation.

I committed the sin of coming to a conclusion before all of the info was revealed. I formally apologize for my nonsense on this thread that was posted before ESO Live confirmed that each character gets an outfit slot by default.

I literally can't understand what there is to be mad about with this system. Go look at GW2, you literally just choose how you want to look. Then your "real" gear is hidden underneath that. Simples.

I can't wait to start getting mauled by full heavy tremorscale juggernauts in disguise as skinny little bikini wood elfs.

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

ESO+ers get crowns monthly anyway, quit whining.

That has nothing to do with anything and you know it. Mind coming up with an actual argument for why more slots should be locked behind the crown store, or do you just defend the crown store at every turn with "you get free crowns for subbing anyway"?

Because Zenimax need to make money? And this should be THE way to make money. Seriously, I don't like crown store, I hate crown crates, and even I find it absolutely acceptable. You get a free costume for every character, which you can then change on whim if you feel the desire to do so(well, for gold, but c'mon, they said it's <=2k a piece). If between that, costumes already in the game and actual armor looks you still feel you need more, then yes, off to crown store you go. Just like you go there for race change, additional char slots and the like. This stuff makes perfect sense to be there, it's things that you can get by without but if you feel you need them you buy them with real money. I'd be absolutely stoked if stuff like that was all they put in crown store.

Admittedly there's also the question of pricing it, but I don't think ZOS are quite dumb enough to make it 5k crowns or something. I'm actually shocked they're introducing something that good(from the sound of it) and NOT locking it behind crown store one way or the other completely. Give credit where credit is due, if everything they've said so far is true, it's a great system, and the crown store "wall" is just fine where it is.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

how can u be disappointed when its not even out

You actually asked that question ?
These kind of people whine about everything. Even before they know what they are whining about !

I am also disappointed that the outfit system is exclusively for motif collectors and no one else.

Would have been much better if you could use the appearance of any item.
Having it based completely off motifs is terrible.
I will never use the outfit system because I don't collect motifs.

I like all the features of the system except for the gold cost and clunky outfit creation. Those are really big pain points, but the gold cost is easily the worse of the two. Other than that, the system actually looks incredibly robust and far beyond expectations. It includes weapons, it's done on a piece-by-piece basis, we can make an outfit of any combination of armor weights we want we can make our weapons look how they want (even so far as to make our Industry Standard swords look like axes or maces or whatever if we want!), and we get weapon dyes. That's a LOT of excellent features, I just hope they change the gold cost. Cash shop costume "slots" are only useful in that you can get one additional tried-and-true outfit per slot. They do nothing to alleviate the gold burden of trying out a whole bunch of stuff constantly.

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

I think the system is great. I prefer making a costume to changing the style of individual pieces. This is much cleaner. One free costume is fine too (although it really should be character-specific, not account-wide). The game needs revenue and selling cosmetics is a great way to get it.

They could also go ahead and give ESO+ subs unlimited costumes.

My only complaint is that it doesn't look like we'll be able to create a shirtless outfit (for male characters) by removing certain pieces (it looks like you'll need 7 pieces to make an outfit).

They did say you can make an outfit just one piece if you want. But whatever is underneath I think will still show. I wont know about the empty slots until I test it.

coop500 wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

It's BS you get one slot. No one can argue that. Transmog shouldn't even be a crown store, the ebtire concept should be free and you should be able to transform as much gear into whatever style you want. This attempt is half assed plain and simple.

Uhh.... Wow, entitled much?

*yawn* so many people like to throw that word around like it even fits anymore. This isn't entitlement bud, I collect, learn and spend millions on motifs that take a huge grind and now to use those styles on my characters I also have to pay? Give me a break

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

It's BS you get one slot. No one can argue that. Transmog shouldn't even be a crown store, the ebtire concept should be free and you should be able to transform as much gear into whatever style you want. This attempt is half assed plain and simple.

Uhh.... Wow, entitled much?

*yawn* so many people like to throw that word around like it even fits anymore. This isn't entitlement bud, I collect, learn and spend millions on motifs that take a huge grind and now to use those styles on my characters I also have to pay? Give me a break

You don't think I do the same? You're not the only one who grinds, collects, earns and learns you know.

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is a question... how does this system handle the various 'material' looks armor motifs? I mean, can you apply a 'rawhide' version of chest piece or are you stuck with the 'rubedo' version? How does the system differentiate between the various material levels or do you have to 'create' an armor piece first to then apply to the costume?

This is why he said there were 270ish pant options. you will be able to customize their looks from the bottom material to the top. You can make it the Jute look or the Ancestor Silk Look or anywhere between.

Magdalina wrote: »

Raiden_Gekkou wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

ESO+ers get crowns monthly anyway, quit whining.

That has nothing to do with anything and you know it. Mind coming up with an actual argument for why more slots should be locked behind the crown store, or do you just defend the crown store at every turn with "you get free crowns for subbing anyway"?

Because Zenimax need to make money? And this should be THE way to make money. Seriously, I don't like crown store, I hate crown crates, and even I find it absolutely acceptable. You get a free costume for every character, which you can then change on whim if you feel the desire to do so(well, for gold, but c'mon, they said it's <=2k a piece). If between that, costumes already in the game and actual armor looks you still feel you need more, then yes, off to crown store you go. Just like you go there for race change, additional char slots and the like. This stuff makes perfect sense to be there, it's things that you can get by without but if you feel you need them you buy them with real money. I'd be absolutely stoked if stuff like that was all they put in crown store.

Admittedly there's also the question of pricing it, but I don't think ZOS are quite dumb enough to make it 5k crowns or something. I'm actually shocked they're introducing something that good(from the sound of it) and NOT locking it behind crown store one way or the other completely. Give credit where credit is due, if everything they've said so far is true, it's a great system, and the crown store "wall" is just fine where it is.

Are you ACTUALLY under illusion that ZOS does not make money?

They do quite a bit with ESO+ alone and also from game sales and exp/dlc sales not to mention loot crates, housing and all the other crown stuff. If they were not doing enough and more, i believe the motif system for outfits would not be account wide.

But if you feel the game needs extra support, do like me and buy loot crates. Even if i hate them, they are a good way to give some more monetary support that in turn, could prevent them milking money from other areas of game. There are players who dont have money to buy crowns and they have the right to enjoy the game as well.

coop500 wrote: »

Uhh wow, where did I defend the crown store at every turn?

How about I use "reflect" on you. Mind coming up with a better argument than "whaahah I want stuff for free" and when people voice their opinion against you "whahaha you're defending the crown store at every turn!"

Have this "Negate". As others have said, Zos has ESO+, DLC, paid chapters like Morrowind, housing items, loot boxes, and the general crown store items. wanting one new addition that doesn't have a chunk of it behind the crown store isn't "whaahah I want stuff for free". If it was a one-time crown purchase for multiple outfit slots, even that would be somewhat okay, but it's more than likely that each slot will be a separate purchase.