Cold91 wrote: »

A few thoughts on outfitter system vs. expanding current conversion system.

Costume creation is flawed in that many(all?) costumes change the dimension look of the character model
Costume creation is limited to one costume, more costume slots will cost crowns(RL money).
Creating and editing costume will be a gold sink, how large tbd.
Costume creation/editing is limited to known motifs, gold, and RL money.

Transmog
Armor being basically a reskin of character models doesn't have nearly the affect of distorting character models(few exceptions)
Not limited to slots, can individually change the style of any individual piece of gear.
Actually changes the appearance of gear vs covering it up
Is only limited by motifs known.

Since the word Transmog reminds me of the system in WoW I'll be using it as an example. But first something to note.

I don't believe that outfits are account-wide or that they're limited to one specific style for every single slot. Moving on.

When I think of WoW's Transmog system I think of the following:

-Changing the look of your armor by each individual piece

-Each individual piece had to be collected before they were usable, and it was much worse before Legion saved every piece of gear you acquired for later use even if you ditch the specific pieces of gear.

-Every time you wanted to edit your look it would cost you gold, this includes every single piece of armor and weapons.

-You can save custom sets for later use as of Legion.

-You cannot use transmog your gear to look like other gear types. (Heavy, Light, Etc)

Comparing this to the knowledge I've gathered about the Outfit system:

-Creating an Outfit with a specific style and customization. (Assuming each piece/slot is customizable in style and dye color, this becomes better)

-Each outfit is character specific.

-Making an outfit costs gold, or you can buy an outfit change token from the crown store if you don't have the gold.

-The cost for making or editing an outfit is not yet known, but to warrant adding a token to the crown store specifically for editing outfits does not bode well.

-You do not have to collect each individual piece of gear to gain its style, only the style motif itself. (And the style material I assume)

-The outfits act like costumes so when you get new gear your appearance does not change and you do not have to edit your outfit to make your new gear match with the rest of the set.

-You can save only one outfit at a time unless you get more outfit slots from the crown store. (According some some rumors the extra slots are not account-wide, but take this with a grain of salt I say)

-Your outfit presumably can make you appear to be wearing Heavy Armor while actually wearing Light or Medium Armor, and vice versa.

In conclusion:

While I believe WoW's transmog system is solid, especially since Legion had a big update for it, I personally think I'll enjoy the Outfit system more.

Transmogrification was one of my favorite things in WoW but I found it to be a massive inconvenience to return to the transmog shop to change one single piece of gear because you got an upgrade, and you can get upgrades pretty often in WoW.

The Outfit system seems to solve that issue by making outfits similar to costumes, which I enjoy quite a lot. Costumes have been the solution to hiding terrible looking gear for the longest time now, and so being able to essentially create and customize even one of your own sounds great, but people can make anything sound great on paper given the right wording.

The Outfit system obviously won't appeal to everyone's taste, but we haven't seen it in action yet or gotten all the details. I feel like it is too early to judge something that we only just got a bit of info on today.

I say give it until we see it in action and get all the details, then decide whether or not you like it.

I just hope it's account wide so when you create an Outfit on your master crafter that has learned all the crafting styles that you can then use that Outfit on the new character you just created.

I still think Rift's Wardrobe is superior compared to the Outfit system. If you don't play Rift, here is a small list:
- every item has a look, and if you loot that item, you unlock that particular look for your account
- multiple items share this look, so it's possible that a new loot won't give you a new Wardrobe option
- there are matching sets for almost every single item, so you can build your gear for a particular set, or you can use different set items and make a unique costume set
- every item is freely colourable, but you have to unlock the dyes separately
- you can use every unlocked item look for your Wardrobe, be it cloth, leather, chain or plate armor, it's not restricted by your class

I know I'm happy

*Posted this very idea years ago*

We get something of a transmog system.. and then people take Giant turds all over it because it isnt what "THEY" wanted... AND on top of that the system isnt even out yet to truly complain about. i cant even express how *** this post is

Tapio75 wrote: »

Well, the thing is that if the outfit system works as i assume it works, it does exactly the same as transmog but better.

Transmog

-You need to mog every piece of armor each time you change that piece of armor
-Can only have one mog per character unless you keep spare set of armor on the bags

Outfit system

-Can have multiple sets of outfit per character for every occasion
-No need to go mog everytime you get a new item, the outfit slot always has the appearance you want
-Does not change appearance of the equipped item, the equipped appearance is just overwritten by the outfit slot.


Then again im afraid the ZOS wiev of outfit system is severely limited and cancels out pieces of armor/clothing that has no motif available anywhere in the game.

note entirely accurate when it comes to transmog. at least most recently in WoW, and always in GW2 - you unlock a look for collections, to use at leisure whenever you feel like without having to keep that armor or weapon. once its unlocked - its unlocked forever.

outfit system is... the biggest issue I'm seeing here is that lets say you have a character that changes weapon types. for example. i prefer to solo with dual bow on my stamblade, but I also keep trying to get better at dual-wield for group content and occasionally, when I don't feel like waiting in queue for a random normal dungeon - she has a tank set complete with sword and board, separate set of armor and fully maxed tanky skills (so while her attributes and cp distribution is not idea, its still far more effort than vast majority of fake tanks make, and its normal anyways). so that is 3 different weapon sets, and you cannot exactly change weapon type to look like another weapon type, so.. does this mean I have to keep going back to the station whenever I change between weapon sets? or does this mean that I have to give up on customizing some of the weapons? or buy 2 extra outfit slots? and what about costumes. in live, they said, costumes override outfits. does this mean that it will override weapons too? NONE if this is an issue with individual item transmog.

I suppose we will see on Monday exactly how weapon situation works, but honestly, unless outfit designer lets me customize every possible weapon before finalizing it - the issue is STILL an issue.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Account wide outfit would be stupid, just plain stupid. Nobody wants same outfits for every single character.

What i hope is that crafters can make pieces of armor/clothing tha they can use for their each characyters outfits and give or sell to others.

Based on the comment here it seems once your master crafter learns all the motifs, _any_ of your characters can create their own personalised outfit using those motifs, which handles the first half of your question.

Unfortunately I can't see the ability to craft outfits for other players happening since they seem like they want to tie using in-game gold to the free slot. Only exception would be if the crafter could create an outfit 'rune box' which overwrites the existing outfit when consumed. Creating the box would have the same cost as customising yourself, so crafters then just get to add margin on top.

Edit: Disclaimer that I haven't seen ESO Live yet so the above is still speculation.

Cold91 wrote: »

Exalted_Outlander wrote: »

So what exactly are you mad about? The outfit system isn't too far a cry from transmogging. Its not what I expected but I'm happy with it.

Well if you read my post you would see exactly what i'm mad about. Further, making a costume that ends up as just another costume in my collections tray is a very far cry from being able to just change any individual piece of gear i'm wearing from its current style to any of my known styles. To barney it down, this system doesn't let you actually change anything.

I'm confused. What you are asking for is what they are adding. It doesn't make a COSTUME per se, it gives you a template to use whatever motifs you've learned on any character. If you just want to change your helm and shoulders to Ancient Elf and leave everything alone, you can do that.

So ZOS did something that people have been asking for for ages, they just didn't do it exactly the way you hoped they would so instead of being happy with what you got you come here to complain about it... sounds like the ESO forums I know and love.

All I want to know is if you can change how looks a monster set using a motif ?? ty

SisterGoat wrote: »

Aixy wrote: »

All I want to know is if you can change how looks a monster set using a motif ?? ty

Yes you can! You just can't make an outfit into the appearance of a monster set because monster sets aren't motifs themselves.

My gosh ! realy? thanks alot because i realy hate how monster set looks lol

It's BS you get one slot. No one can argue that. Transmog shouldn't even be a crown store, the ebtire concept should be free and you should be able to transform as much gear into whatever style you want. This attempt is half assed plain and simple.

BlazingDynamo wrote: »

It's BS you get one slot. No one can argue that. Transmog shouldn't even be a crown store, the ebtire concept should be free and you should be able to transform as much gear into whatever style you want.

Sounds like you'll be able to change your outfit slot as much as you want (with each character having a separate slot), you're just restricted to one 'preset' at a time unless you buy additional slots.

Depending on the use case I can see benefits on both sides. Per item means if you use that item in multiple sets or multiple 'looks' you need multiple copies (eg, 2x healer using SPC+Mending and SPC+Worm). Per slot means you can't have a 'healer' and a 'tank' preset sitting around after you transmog'd once all the SPC, Mending, Ebon, and Torug pieces.

Personally I'm preferring the 'outfit' route since mix up my gear so much anyway (SPC+IA, SPC+Mend, SPC+MA, SPC+Worm are all in my gear changing addon already, mostly using the same pieces of SPC).

Did people really start complaining based on their own assumptions before waiting for/watching ESO live?
Shor's bones, guys.

Outfit system is the best we could have hoped for. It even includes weapon dying and a preview system!

@Cold91 Im betting you didnt pay attention. This system is just as customizable as a transmog system you can even change your weapons to a degree. so i dont see the reason to be complaining really. the end result is the same. same gear you want with a new look to it.