ppl that consider themselves 1 v x players are the most toxic players

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Most_Awesome · January 2018

LordSemaj wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

WTF are you talking about?! GANGSTA SPEAK?!...wut?!

You do know that not everyone lives in urban America, has a low income, or relied on public education, right? The type of society one finds to be the norm is merely the one they grew up with and accepted as the dominant world view. It's likely that he wasn't raised in an environment where the manner of speech he's being introduced to by those he dubs today's generation was a dominant factor at all and frowns upon its impact on the PVP community, which once upon a time was more of an honorable lot built on pride and reputation.

Those were simpler times before dungeon queues automatically matched teams or addons threw out autoinvites. Getting a group or even a guild for game content meant having the respect of the server as there were only a few thousand in total on your shard and everyone actually knew each other. Ninja looting was a capital offense (no guild wanted you), improper quest mob share etiquette (players formed lines), and even just having an attitude in what should be an objective conversation (rudeness and disrespect) was enough to murder your standing. Being a troll back then was sure to end you up on black lists and good luck getting gear if no one will group with you.

MMO communities have fallen quite far in general and it has certainly poisoned the PVP community as much if not more than other areas of the game due to the inherent competitiveness associated with it. Where once respect was had for the defeated, today they are scrubs and need to get good (as even seen on the first page).

Nail on the head (And put in such a better way than I did)

And to rteezy as for getting out in the world I've been to places most here have only been to on COD

"yo dog hold that L you zergling trash can l2p dog get X'ed bro you cancer trash"
Jimmy 17 Tesco Trolley boy from Sheffield

Kode · January 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

there is no such thing as 1 vs X for the simple fact that if there are 2 pro players fighting and a 2nd one join the fight to aid one of them the solo one will get rekt...1 vs X is only possible for 1 pro vs noobs. I know this is harsh but it is the truth. regarding their attitude...sometimes if better to tell a noob he sux and that way if he understands constructive criticism he will get better if not... yes you will see him dead alongside the other countless other feeds.

This is 100% true. While it is possible for a good player to fall victim to a stupid trick, you should mostly know them after a few weeks fighting in Cyrodiil.

swippy · January 2018

SnubbS wrote: »

There's a very big difference between the sort of person described here:

Axoinus wrote: »

The elitist 1vX'r is someone to learn from. These guys have spent 5000+ hours in the game...or more. I could never be so dedicated to a game. But because of them and their dedicated sacrifice, I'm better at the game than I would be if they didn't make the personal sacrifice to be as good as they are.

And someone who is pretending/aspires to be that sort of person.

The actual—I'm not going to call them 'Elitists', that term is so damn cringey, but the players who are actually good at the game, most of them really aren't ***. There are *** among them, but most of the *** you run into will be people who aspire to be like these people.

Literally, I've heard the story of "This elitist was so bad at doing DPS, or healing" or "This elitist challenged me to a 1v1 with his meta build and I beat him with my 5x light hundings rage Argonian lightning staff heavy attack nightblade build" Like, isn't it so obvious to you that these people aren't actually 'elite' and are just literally roleplaying as someone they believe to be decent at the game.

with all due respect, your first sentence seems to show that you're not differentiating between "elites" and "elitists".

elitists are people who occupy a certain position that they consider superior, and then behave as though that position renders their entire persona superior.

in this game, great skill -- along with enough gold to make the most of all that skill -- would make someone elite. i agree that most of the elites in this game are way cool folks. they remember that they weren't born awesome at the game and will often even offer tips if something stands out to them and you seem receptive.

i think an example that a guy with 5 forum stars would be familiar with might be players who describe "PC Master Race" with a joyless smirk instead of a mischievous one. (yes that's right, we can smell your smarminess through the screen)

i think the "elitists" who aren't elite are better described by that censored term, y'know the thing besides opinions that everybody has and thinks everyone else's stinks?

Kalante · January 2018

Every single game has elitists regardless of genre. I've met fps elitists, racing elitists, mmo elitists, yugioh elitists, even hot wheels plug and play elitists.

KochDerDamonen · January 2018

People who ____ are the most toxic ____.

muh gamer toxicity. muh elitist toxicity. muh casual toxicity. muh whale toxicity. muh freeloader toxicity.

Jeeze, it's almost like any group you ever bump into contains some ***...

swippy · January 2018

Kalante wrote: »

Every single game has elitists regardless of genre. I've met fps elitists, racing elitists, mmo elitists, yugioh elitists, even hot wheels plug and play elitists.

this is true! i was pretty decent on the PBS over IRC during pokemon gen2 and 3, and i could not believe how snobby some people would act about battling imaginary monsters. sometimes i wanted to point out "you know, even your mom would make fun of you for this" : )

tommalmm · January 2018

To be honest, I envy true 1vXers their skill. I mean, when a player can outsustain and outdamage five or six decent (as in not total newbie anymore) other players, that's some great skill display... But most of the "1vX" I've observed (I try not to join these fights, just watch them) was running around trees and boulders, not doing any damage, just avoiding damage by LoS until pursuers got bored and left one or two newbies to feed the guy. That's not a true fight, but still most common. Ever seen a dog barking behind a fence?

The other point is, I've not met too much toxicity in cyrodiil. In fact most of the people on my friends list are people who I killed or were killed by. All (as in three or four) hate tells I've got were in PvE.

LeagueTroll · January 2018

Some 1vx players are annoying AF, they can’t kill my pirate skeleton magplar solo, just mess with me for 5min + instead of leaving, run away and bait when players on my faction arrive, complete waste of my time.

TheDoomsdayMonster · January 2018

@Jake1576

I'm not sure what class you play, but for my Magicka Templar, I just stand away from the fight and cast cast Purifying Light on the 1 character every 6 secs if possible...

That leads to the 1 player:

1) eventually dying to the burst of Purifying Light...

2) coming after you (which is what you want so that the mob chasing him can bring their full might down on him)...

3) the 1 player retreating further away ( in which case you just leave and find something else to do)...

Smmokkee · January 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Some 1vx players are annoying AF, they can’t kill my pirate skeleton magplar solo, just mess with me for 5min + instead of leaving, run away and bait when players on my faction arrive, complete waste of my time.

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@Jake1576

I'm not sure what class you play, but for my Magicka Templar, I just stand away from the fight and cast cast Purifying Light on the 1 character every 6 secs if possible...

That leads to the 1 player:

1) eventually dying to the burst of Purifying Light...

2) coming after you (which is what you want so that the mob chasing him can bring their full might down on him)...

3) the 1 player retreating further away ( in which case you just leave and find something else to do)...

Dont you guys just hate your boring builds? Lol.

TheDoomsdayMonster · January 2018

Smmokkee wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Some 1vx players are annoying AF, they can’t kill my pirate skeleton magplar solo, just mess with me for 5min + instead of leaving, run away and bait when players on my faction arrive, complete waste of my time.

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

@Jake1576

I'm not sure what class you play, but for my Magicka Templar, I just stand away from the fight and cast cast Purifying Light on the 1 character every 6 secs if possible...

That leads to the 1 player:

1) eventually dying to the burst of Purifying Light...

2) coming after you (which is what you want so that the mob chasing him can bring their full might down on him)...

3) the 1 player retreating further away ( in which case you just leave and find something else to do)...

Dont you guys just hate your boring builds? Lol.

I don't think my build is boring at all; it's fully original and fun as far as I can see...

It's in my sig...

jssriot · January 2018

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

I'm not sure what class you play, but for my Magicka Templar, I just stand away from the fight and cast cast Purifying Light on the 1 character every 6 secs if possible...

That leads to the 1 player:

1) eventually dying to the burst of Purifying Light...

2) coming after you (which is what you want so that the mob chasing him can bring their full might down on him)...

3) the 1 player retreating further away ( in which case you just leave and find something else to do)...

On my magplar healer that runs 5 Transmutation I''ll cast PL too with combat prayer+healing springs on my group to proc my Transmutation and heavy attacks inbetween. 95% of those 1vX champs can't keep up their resources against that and just melt down like butter.

duendology · January 2018

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

And so what?
You just made a thread to tell that some people are toxic?
Guess what, Its just like real life. Its not always butterflies and flowers.
So grow up, and move on with your life.

How I love this sort of argument. Guess what, I bet the OP does know thar. Everybody knows that. The point is that when there's a chance to behave like an utter and complete [snip], it's CIVILISED not to act upon these [snip] up instincts? Or is too much to ask? I understand that flashy blazing sparking armour and super-hyper-cool mount and weeks spent on perfecting combat rotation, most likely, give some people the illusion of power and how awesome they are so they can get away with anything... but, fortunately, it's just a game. In real life, but probably in game too, sooner or later you get your arse kicked, and kicked hard for being a blatant ...[snip]. Sooner or later... but Karma is just..

[Edited to remove profanity]

GrigorijMalahevich · January 2018

L2P issue strikes again!

There are toxic players, but they are in every aspect of the game... It is just that in PvP is is harder to measure skill, as there are no real leaderboards that represent how good you are...

JackDaniell · January 2018

Unfortunatly being good at something doesnt always translate into being a good person. I frequently use my ignore list when people become unpleasant.

I actualy play mostly solo PvP, out of a preference for a solo playstyle (I also do mostly solo PvE play as well). I find the nicest people can be anywhere at any skill level, the meanest are no exeption. Received hate messages come from all spectrums of skill levels, more commonly from a 1v1 encounter then anything. But in the end people cant harass you if you just ignore list them.

Malamar1229 · January 2018

Most_Awesome wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

rteezy wrote: »

WTF are you talking about?! GANGSTA SPEAK?!...wut?!

You do know that not everyone lives in urban America, has a low income, or relied on public education, right? The type of society one finds to be the norm is merely the one they grew up with and accepted as the dominant world view. It's likely that he wasn't raised in an environment where the manner of speech he's being introduced to by those he dubs today's generation was a dominant factor at all and frowns upon its impact on the PVP community, which once upon a time was more of an honorable lot built on pride and reputation.

Those were simpler times before dungeon queues automatically matched teams or addons threw out autoinvites. Getting a group or even a guild for game content meant having the respect of the server as there were only a few thousand in total on your shard and everyone actually knew each other. Ninja looting was a capital offense (no guild wanted you), improper quest mob share etiquette (players formed lines), and even just having an attitude in what should be an objective conversation (rudeness and disrespect) was enough to murder your standing. Being a troll back then was sure to end you up on black lists and good luck getting gear if no one will group with you.

MMO communities have fallen quite far in general and it has certainly poisoned the PVP community as much if not more than other areas of the game due to the inherent competitiveness associated with it. Where once respect was had for the defeated, today they are scrubs and need to get good (as even seen on the first page).

Nail on the head (And put in such a better way than I did)

And to rteezy as for getting out in the world I've been to places most here have only been to on COD

"yo dog hold that L you zergling trash can l2p dog get X'ed bro you cancer trash"
Jimmy 17 Tesco Trolley boy from Sheffield

Reiterating the "nailed it" part. My first mmo was everquest. The toxicity that exists today would have been your demise during that time. People had respect for each other. I played on a server that had its own sh't list. If you were on that list you had a hard time getting into groups/guilds. We tried this is Star Wars Galaxies too. The blacklisted folks were banned from all the good crafter stores so we could limit access to the "servers best" gear to those toxic players.

The main difference is pretty obvious. Look at the young gamers. The 19 year olds today are not the 19 yr olds back when I was that age (and I'm only 36). I had a full time job that didn't involve video recording myself playing video games (I mean....lol). My parents spanked me when I was bad. I respected authority. In general the kids today are snowflakes with no respect for others.

Don't let these in game idiots bother you. Truthfully, their "skill" in this game matters nothing. Most of the time that epeen is masking something deeper, insecurities. They should be bragging about their grades, what theyve done for others, or plan to do with their lives. All they are really showing off is what crappy parenting theyve had.

Mureel · January 2018

Jake1576 wrote: »

I am speaking mostly about ps4 na since that's the server i play on but in my experience these type of players tend to think of themselves as a better player then almost everyone else and also tend to be the worst trolls and lie the most or seem to cheat to get ahead i've seen it for myself and always put down anyone they believe is doing something they think isn't right such as running in a 24 man group in pvp or other things they frown up on i was considering maybe switching from ps4 to pc not sure but is pc this awful also where these kind of players exist and troll pvp zone chat and other horrible things

Wait....I'm a 1vx player! X number of people run over me like a freight train daily and only squat down repeatedly to check that I'm ok and sometimes even whisper scrub to let me know that they will wash my armour for me or potato which I guess they worry I don't have food.

A_G_G_R_O · January 2018

Oh to live the simple carefree life of a zergling.... to get packed up and just throw up my hands and say “whelp guess that’s just bound to happen because of macros cheat engine and animation cancelling and me not taking this game seriously, better send a ‘reported’ hate whisper and then stack back on crown”..... I could get behind this... what’s the biggest Zerg Guild NA | PC | AD? I want in.

Rainraven · January 2018

Mureel wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

I am speaking mostly about ps4 na since that's the server i play on but in my experience these type of players tend to think of themselves as a better player then almost everyone else and also tend to be the worst trolls and lie the most or seem to cheat to get ahead i've seen it for myself and always put down anyone they believe is doing something they think isn't right such as running in a 24 man group in pvp or other things they frown up on i was considering maybe switching from ps4 to pc not sure but is pc this awful also where these kind of players exist and troll pvp zone chat and other horrible things

Wait....I'm a 1vx player! X number of people run over me like a freight train daily and only squat down repeatedly to check that I'm ok and sometimes even whisper scrub to let me know that they will wash my armour for me or potato which I guess they worry I don't have food.

Yes, those above-reproach zerglings with no rage issues and no overblown egos anywhere in the whole group ever.

Olen_Mikko · January 2018

Behind every successful 1vX is 10 failed ones.

1vX is nothing more than farming inexperienced noobs that barely have enough skills to fill 2 skillbars.

You don't see experienced players or experienced groups getting destroyed by 1 player.

ToRelax · January 2018

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Behind every successful 1vX is 10 failed ones.

1vX is nothing more than farming inexperienced noobs that barely have enough skills to fill 2 skillbars.

You don't see experienced players or experienced groups getting destroyed by 1 player.

You will almost certainly find a large skill gap between the 1 and the X, but that doesn't necessarily mean the latter are inexperienced. Plenty of people who have been playing since launch are still getting 1vX'ed.

Thogard · January 2018

ToRelax wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Behind every successful 1vX is 10 failed ones.

1vX is nothing more than farming inexperienced noobs that barely have enough skills to fill 2 skillbars.

You don't see experienced players or experienced groups getting destroyed by 1 player.

You will almost certainly find a large skill gap between the 1 and the X, but that doesn't necessarily mean the latter are inexperienced. Plenty of people who have been playing since launch are still getting 1vX'ed.

QFT

So many players are bad and stay bad because they never learn how to PvP. If you get into PvP through zerging, it’s easy to get trapped in that mentality. They spend so much at range shooting each other that they never develop a skill for close melee combat, because for them, when the enemy is close, there are so many people swarming over them that there’s nothing they could do to survive anyway.

I tell anyone who’ll listen that if you ever want to be good at PvP, joining a Zerg guild / keep taking guild (you know, the ones that advertise in cyrodil’s /zone) is the worst thing you can do, because you will NEVER be putting yourself in a situation where you can develop your skills... either you are with 20+ buddies swarming down whoever’s closest, or your the closest to an enemy Zerg of 20+ that’s swarming down you and there’s nothing you can do about it.

That environment is not condusive to player growth. Quite the opposite, actually, since many of those guilds develop strong hatred towards solo players while at the same time instilling a sense of fear in their own members for venturing out in Cyrodil on their own.

If you want to develop as a player, IMO there are two good ways to do it (and you should do both). 1. Duel everyone, and 2. Do a lot of BGs. BGs because there are no zergs and no horse simulator, so you get a lot more PvP experience faster.

Funkopotamus · January 2018

redspecter23 wrote: »

I. Any of that behavior usually just leads to me walking out into the open. If they follow, we fight on our terms in the open where the 1 is at the disadvantage. .

So basically if the player is smart enough to separate another player from the zerg and actually force you to fight a 1v1 he has the "Advantage"? 0_o

Sttaahhp the tears and gear up if you think it is all gear.. I highly doubt that is the issue 99% of the time as gear in this game grows on grass..

NyassaV · January 2018

personally prefer 2vX but 1vX is fine too. And are they toxic because they knew that they are good?

Kode · January 2018

People can be toxic even if they aren't good at the game, nevermind being a 1vX'er. I think that people aspire to be good players, and strive to accomplish feats of popular streamers, players like Kena, Sypher, Kodi, ect.

Those guys are fantastic players, they adapt quickly and innovate, they learn from others, and they apply their knowledge and tricks and do very well. I have also seen every single 1vX'er (at least on PC where I play) take a dive to equally skilled players, without exception.

I have seen other people who talk a big talk about being great, and how much better they are than everyone else. They open their mouth and not their eyes and ears. They are afraid to fail, and get so furious when they do fail that they blame their opponents for being cheaters, losers, gankers... they never learn.

There are also those streamers who are outshined by their own image, they eventually can't live up to their own hype and become the latter of the two types I just mentioned.

The best thing you can do it distance yourself from them, they aren't doing you any favors. If you cant distance yourself, roll your eyes. I have known a fair number of blow-hards in this game... I still know some who never shut up in TS... I have their volume very low.

eso_lags · January 2018

The people you're talking about are prob just *** who are even bigger *** because they get zerged down and bagged daily by players who arent as good as they are, in massive groups, chasing them endlessly. Or agitated because they are losing fights because of lag.. Skills and bar swap not working when they should etc..

Im a solo player.. I try to do everything in the game.. Most of the time i spend in this game is theory crafting, solo pvp, or collecting furnishing plans/motifs/recipes and crafting.. But i also like to help anyone that needs it.. Ive been playing for a while and i know the game very well.. I also had nice people help me when i started so i like to help anyone that needs advice or help with something..

Ive had people who i have helped attempt to, or succeed at, zerging me down in pvp. But that doesn't change anything.. Obv i wouldn't help them out again but ill always help anyone of any alliance and any experience level..

Regardless, some players are going to be better than others.. It doesn't matter much to me anymore because lag and broken mechanics (among other things) ruins competitive play.. Plus every build has a counter, certain classes are just flat out much stronger than others, and some counters are strong to certain builds.. Anyway, If you want to be better than someone else at something then just go do it til you are.. And if you want to be really good at pvp in this game, try sticking to 1-2 classes for a while and get really good at them..

SnubbS · January 2018

swippy wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

There's a very big difference between the sort of person described here:

Axoinus wrote: »

The elitist 1vX'r is someone to learn from. These guys have spent 5000+ hours in the game...or more. I could never be so dedicated to a game. But because of them and their dedicated sacrifice, I'm better at the game than I would be if they didn't make the personal sacrifice to be as good as they are.

And someone who is pretending/aspires to be that sort of person.

The actual—I'm not going to call them 'Elitists', that term is so damn cringey, but the players who are actually good at the game, most of them really aren't ***. There are *** among them, but most of the *** you run into will be people who aspire to be like these people.

Literally, I've heard the story of "This elitist was so bad at doing DPS, or healing" or "This elitist challenged me to a 1v1 with his meta build and I beat him with my 5x light hundings rage Argonian lightning staff heavy attack nightblade build" Like, isn't it so obvious to you that these people aren't actually 'elite' and are just literally roleplaying as someone they believe to be decent at the game.

with all due respect, your first sentence seems to show that you're not differentiating between "elites" and "elitists".

elitists are people who occupy a certain position that they consider superior, and then behave as though that position renders their entire persona superior.

in this game, great skill -- along with enough gold to make the most of all that skill -- would make someone elite. i agree that most of the elites in this game are way cool folks. they remember that they weren't born awesome at the game and will often even offer tips if something stands out to them and you seem receptive.

i think an example that a guy with 5 forum stars would be familiar with might be players who describe "PC Master Race" with a joyless smirk instead of a mischievous one. (yes that's right, we can smell your smarminess through the screen)

i think the "elitists" who aren't elite are better described by that censored term, y'know the thing besides opinions that everybody has and thinks everyone else's stinks?

I see the term "Elitist" used predominately in a negative manner, and some cases in a way that shows jealousy or unfounded contempt. I think it's cringey when used in this way, because I see it as unfunny, forced sarcasm. If it can't have a positive connotation as well as a negative one, and I don't believe that it can, I'd prefer to not have to use it as again, I just find it cringey.

In terms of describing the eso player base, there's really only two types of players, with two types of attitudes. In fact, here's a chart I've made. This chart is based on my opinion of course.

DoctorESO · January 2018

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Aisle9 · January 2018

Fun fact: people keep saying there's toxicity in PvP, but most of it either comes from consoles or PC-NA. In PC-EU we kill each other with efficiency without wasting time sending tells (with the exception of people sending tells to streamers in the hope to get some air time).

Could it be that US players are rude, and not the PvP players in general ?

Just saying.

Also, the only true 1vXers are bomb blades, everyone else just fights 1 guy at the time, even if they have 6 on them at once #MagbladePower #NerfSorcs.

But here's an easy fix: stop playing in zergs, learn to play small scale, get good at it, kill the 1vXer. A skilled player has no chance to win against 2 players of equal skill, especially if they are coordinated. The only instance in which 1vX is possible is when said player is fighting against players of lesser skill, which usually then proceed to accuse said player of exploiting mechanics or straight up cheating.

Just saying.