AOEs shouldn't disappear when something inside it dies

badmojo · December 2017

One example Thunderous Rage, the ranged morph of the Destruction Staff ultimate. When you put it down on top of a group of enemies it ends the AOE when the enemies inside it die.

This becomes a problem in situations where enemies enter or spawn after the first ones have died. It's very noticeable for those daedric rifts that spawn 2 waves of enemies...
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/213897862
The duration is 9 seconds, but it stops way before that. (btw the smaller bolt of lightning that stays around is the Illambris proc)

Elsonso · December 2017

I agree. I don't care much for this change.

Smmokkee · December 2017

Yeah or when it disappears like 2 seconds in.

MasterSpatula · December 2017

Agreed, if you're in combat and using an AoE, the AoE should continue through it's duration even if everything in it dies. The way it is now is a pointless waste of resources. I realize that ZOS doesn't actually want us to have resources. They seemingly want to increase the frustration level and decrease the fun in their game. Still, the way it is now is bad and, honestly, even stupid. It should be fixed to the only way that makes sense.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · December 2017

It does get annoying. One of the benifits of aoe with damage over time is pulling mobs/players into it. It is mostly pointless if that won’t work properly

I suppose it was one of those things done for performance.

Koolio · December 2017

Made this a while ago. I think it's the same issue.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/288365/aoe-skills-disappear-when-enemy-dies#latest

Ankael07 · December 2017

Honestly at this point I just want my AOE skills to be seen by my allies in PVP

SirAndy · December 2017

"Combat is over, you won! The hero of Tamriel did it again ... Oh wait, there are more enemies coming, sorry about that ..."

Draxys · December 2017

Hear hear

Iselin · December 2017

Yeah it was an annoying change done for, I assume, performance reasons.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · December 2017

@ZOS_Wrobel

This happens all the time with Veil of Blades (Consuming Darkness Morph under the Shadow skill Line) and its a Freakin' Ultimate, it should run it's course of time, which is like 14 sec's+..

Yo ZOS fix it..

I'm gonna add this to my list of things broken in the game on my signature..

zaria · December 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

I agree. I don't care much for this change.

This now an targeted dot with AoE can disappear with target but that would also follow target.
An ground based one should stay,

ViciousBunnii · December 2017

Yes, I don't like this change either. My blockade should stay the full duration.

Shawn_PT · December 2017

So glad I'm not the only one annoyed when I have to recast my AoE every time a Swarming mob runs into it and dies.

Jarryzzt · December 2017

This also happens with the Atronach ultimate for the Daedric Summoning line. [The Atronach is unsummoned the moment combat "ends" even if there is another wave incoming.]

I think I can sort of see why the game is like this, from a technical standpoint - combat ends, drop all AoEs and DoTs, simple and saves server resources (a bit) and prevents any conceivable "out of combat damage" bug (imagine a boss' DoTs persisting after a fight, let's say). And so I do not know if ZOS would be willing to introduce exceptions for this skill or that skill.

Still. Annoying. Especially when so many other MMOs make use of persistent AoEs.

MehrunesFlagon · December 2017

I haven't noticed this myself,but it does raise a question.Say for example you are on any trial boss with adds.good example may be the first boss in vMOL since the tank may have to move him if cursed.Now say during that the cat s come,and in anticipation of him coming back to that same spot. You drop your destro ult/dots.In the event that the cats die before the boss can reach the location again.Would that also cause the dots/ult to disappear?

Draxys · December 2017

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

I haven't noticed this myself,but it does raise a question.Say for example you are on any trial boss with adds.good example may be the first boss in vMOL since the tank may have to move him if cursed.Now say during that the cat s come,and in anticipation of him coming back to that same spot. You drop your destro ult/dots.In the event that the cats die before the boss can reach the location again.Would that also cause the dots/ult to disappear?

Don't think so as you would still be in combat

WrathOfInnos · December 2017

I think this was added after homestead, because long duration AoEs would hit a respawning target skeleton and mess up parsing. At least this was a common complaint when skeletons were first introduced. Seem to me like they could have just changed dummy respawning to like 20s, this is long enough for even DK eruption or NB veil AoE to end (things like rearming trap or mines could still cause problems I guess).

getemshauna · December 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

I think this was added after homestead, because long duration AoEs would hit a respawning target skeleton and mess up parsing. At least this was a common complaint when skeletons were first introduced. Seem to me like they could have just changed dummy respawning to like 20s, this is long enough for even DK eruption or NB veil AoE to end (things like rearming trap or mines could still cause problems I guess).

Hmmm... Or just make aoe dissapear only on dummy? What is the point to introduce it into whole game?

Berenhir · December 2017

Ankael07 wrote: »

Honestly at this point I just want my AOE skills to be seen by my allies in PVP

@Ankael07 They added a toggle already. Just go to your video settings.

Ankael07 · December 2017

Berenhir wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

Honestly at this point I just want my AOE skills to be seen by my allies in PVP

@Ankael07 They added a toggle already. Just go to your video settings.

Cyrodiil is excluded from that option. For some reason teamwork doesnt seem as valuable in PVP as in PVE. @Berenhir

Neyane · December 2017

Yup..very frustrating, a huge waste of resources..no wonder I have to chug potions.

MehrunesFlagon · December 2017

cindaxo wrote: »

Yup..very frustrating, a huge waste of resources..no wonder I have to chug potions.

and add tanks that kite bosses on top of that.

paulsimonps · December 2017

I prefired a ultimate once, destro, but I was in combat when I used it, before the ultimate hit the mobs I was aiming at I went out of combat and the ultimate disappeared completely, meaning I wasted my entire ultimate for nothing cause of this stupid design choice.

Please change this, just remove this and let the abilities run their course.

Samadhi · December 2017

"Ah crap, a swarming wasp/wisp/zombie/dwarven spider/etc. nest...I'll just drop a ground-based AoE so they die as they spawn"
*two die; AoE cancels; two more spawn; drop AoE again; repeats*
"gdi ZOS y u do dis -_- "

Merlin13KAGL · December 2017

Was there a patch note somewhere I missed or has this just been noticed?

I'm fairly certain I've never experienced this, so I'd like to know if it's a bug or another Working-as-intended special?

supaskrub · December 2017

Iselin wrote: »

Yeah it was an annoying change done for, I assume, performance reasons.

How can it be done for performance reasons?... reason being I, you or anyone else can throw down Elemental Blockade or Destro ult when out of combat and not one single enemy is in sight and the skill will last its full duration.. but when you do the same onto a few mobs and they die the ability dies with them long before its due to time out. If it was done for performance reasons then common sense says that it should disappear when used out of combat as soon as it hits the ground.

jaye63 · December 2017

OMG YES! Revert to the duration mechanic instead of when the mob dies. It will disappear when cast again so put it back!

iiYuki · December 2017

Elemental Blockade, Liquid Lightning and Elemental Rage all do it too and it's very aggravating, I imagine it's there to stop enemies walking into your AOE and being pulled into combat but then again if they're that close to you already they'll most likely sense you and attack anyway...