SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

Fix the game ≠ fundamentally altering the game to fit one player's myopic view of how the game should be played

Perfectly stated. You play 30% of the game (PvP) but are up in arms because not everything has been built to revolve around the musical chairs of Cyrodil? PvP was never intended to be a complete option for the game; by design it’s to be used in conjunction with PvE foe the full experience.

Reason why more people PvE than PvP? Because the PvP system/builds are completely contrary to what’s used in PvE, nonsensically so. Light or medium armor in PvP? Hell no. Heavy armor is too broken right now not to use it. Everyone’s a vampire? Sure! The bonuses heavily outweigh the negatives, no reason not to. Mageblade bombers traveling in packs with VIcious Death proxy bombing entire groups and wiping them easily. Why not?!

News flash: PvP isn’t terribly exciting. I’m in a very competitive PvP guild, yet still spend the majority of my time on my mount riding across boringly dull landscapes to the next keep that looks exactly the same as the rest. Get wiped? Well
time to remount and spend the next 20 minutes running through mind numbing environments. Maybe, if I’m lucky, zoning will be “unusually long”!

At least Imperial City was innovative. It was at least a start to what Cyrodil SHOULD have been.

TL DR: Dungeons are incredibly easy to farm. You can even just run them on normal and be done in a quarter of the time, albeit with blue and not purple gear (which shouldn’t impact PvP terribly, or if non-jewelry, just improve the color). If you really wanted Amberplasm - grab 3 guild buddies, run RoM normal, and between the 4 of you you will likely get whatever pieces you need in a single run. Two max.

While pvp may be 30% of the game as you put it everyone plays it differently, I for instance rarely join a group big or small, I like to be solo and burn enemy fc's and I mainly focus on counter ganking by singling out enemy night blades, when I do join groups much like you I find the normal zerging keep to keep to be very very boring.

That is why I like pvp so much though, I have my own little unique niche that I can excel at and my class set up allows me to stay alive when zergs usually just run over each other and I can pick my battles, which is a good thing cause mag blade has had some very significant nerfs to some of its playstyles, and like you said a lot are just Zerg bombers and such.

As for a few buddies to run dungeons with I don't really have any, a prime side effect of being a solo player in a Zerg based pvp setting. Not that I don't enjoy being solo on my own most of the time, I find little join in running over sombody with a group when they have no chance.

In fact I would go as far to say I do not take pleasure in group activitys for the most part.

I do have about 5 friends that I only know cause they do the same things in cyro I do and we occasional group up to counter enemy zergs from behind or the inside but that is about it. I have talked to some of these like minded players and they have all agreed the game would be gunner if they could earn their gear from pvping which is why I brought it up here. I do know a LOT more solo players but most of them are on enemy factions and usually they agree to.

So wouldn't it be nice to give these types of players and play styles a way to earn their gear in a way they enjoy? That doesn't hurt the way other players play

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

ESO is primarily a PvE game though, it makes sense that gear is won via PvE. Frankly, I dont understand how you can exclusively PvP and find it entertaining after an hour of being zerged down by blues anyway

Kill zergs, avoid them, dismantle them from inside and behind. Don't try to fight a entire Zerg at its face, burn their fc's, rep walls behind them, focus their healers and back lines snipe spammers and stuff.

That's mostly how I play Atleast

*** pvp.

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In fact I would go as far to say I do not take pleasure in group activitys for the most part. [/quote]

Hello Shadow
After running a Templar Healer for a couple of years in Group Dungeons I understand your pain. Just too much abuse makes it no pleasure. Now I mainly solo content in PvE and have fun in <lvl50 in PvP. I love crafting.
Amberplasm and other BoP sets are hard to get but there are other alternatives which will be nearly as good.
You must have alot of AP. Why not buy motifs and sell for gold? Then buy sets from traders or have a friend craft for you.
A good solution is to find a friend who does the things you dislike.

@Diversus

Getting group dungeon gear isnt all that difficult. Its mostly just time consuming. Unless a person decides they absolutely need to have purple jewelry or a monster helm, there is no reason to run veteran mode when farming gear. Normal dungeons are easy, very easy. The hardest dungeons on normal mode are even pretty easy if you know how to play the game. I got thrown into some DLC dungeons during the event and had no problems on sub par characters. You can be carried when farming gear, so lets not act like getting group dungeon gear is something you have to work up to.

My point is that it comes down to the activity being time consuming. We only have so many hours of life on this planet and even fewer hours to dedicate to playing ESO. So, I can not fault anyone for wanting to spend those hours doing the activites they enjoy. Since ZOS decided to put the best gear for PVP in PVE then obviously players who would rather just PVP are going to ask for a route to that gear that doesn't involve doing hours and hours of PVE.

OP said he did 5 farming runs of mazzatun which is a long dungeon. Plus he spent 44 keys trying to get the shoulders he wanted, clearly this guy has done many hours of PVE group dungeons. Its not like we come on the forums and demand a way to skip playing the game, we see how long we have to spend doing stuff we would rather not, so we suggest an alternative could be implemented. Its not like we refuse to do what is required to get the gear. We are just being vocal about not enjoying the process. Its like the people who complain about warhorn and vigor being locked behind pvp, those people still do what is required, despite PVP being something they dislike.

You mention buying gear for gold. Nobody is asking for that here. You also mention buying gear for AP would allow you to skip the RNG found in drops. I suggested the dungeon gear being put in boxes the same way we can already buy regional overland gear. For example if I wanted spinners gear right now I could go to a vendor in cyrodiil and purchase a malabal tor box and when I open it I get a random piece of blue gear from malabal tor, with a random trait. It might be a spinners piece I need in the perfect trait, it might be a piece of thunderbug gear that I don't need. It's a gamble, just like its a gamble when you kill a boss in a dungeon. They could even add a seperate box for weapons and make it cost more since weapons usually drop from the more difficult final boss of a dungeon.

I also suggested tying the boxes to achievements. I was thinking PVP ranks or something like that, but it could just as easily be tied to the achievement for completing the dungeon. We could clear the actual dungeon once and go back to farming AP to buy boxes until you have farmed the gear you need. I doubt many PVPers would be opposed to running it once, its the doing them dozens of times that bothers us. I probably ran COH 75-100 times before I got the lich resto staff I wanted for PVP, it was all I did in the game for weeks. Trust me its not laziness that created this suggestion.

@Diversus

It's a long complained about issue that doing PVP gets you barely any gold compared to PVE. Sure, there are ways to make gold by turning your AP into gold, but there's also reasons to keep your AP to purchase things you might need.

I only mentioned gold because you made a statement about if we can buy it with AP, why not let players buy it with gold. That's certainly not a good thing for this game. AP cannot be traded between players, AP isn't exactly easy to farm in large quantities, it takes time to accumulate, but it just so happens that a lot of people enjoy the activities that gain AP. If we could buy RNG boxes with gold, a player could just give another player a billion gold and tell them to go gear up. They would then go and buy as many boxes as required to gear up. That can not happen with AP. AP is a representation of time spent doing PVP activities, gold requires no time sink.

He ran mazzatun 5 times and got 1/5th of what he needs for that set. He spent 44 keys to get the shoulders he needed. These were just examples of him putting in the time to get the rewards. This was not supposed to be a record of his entire PVE experience. I have no idea how much he has done in total. Point was he put in some effort to go through the process.

Is grinding for AP still grinding? Grinding is a very subjective word. People who love to run group dungeons probably don't see their activities as a grind. Just like people who love to PVP don't see it as a grind. Grinding usually implies doing something as a means to an end. In this case the AP gained by the OP is just a byproduct of doing something he loves and would be doing anyway. Grinding to him would be running Mazzatun another 20 times.

Let's pretend doing 20 more runs of Mazzatun will get him the other 4 pieces of his set. Let's also pretend running it 20 more times would take him 20 hours. If the AP price to purchase enough boxes to get the other 4 items took him 40 hours, would that make it better? Spending 20 hours in PVE dungeons, or 40 hours in PVP but getting the same results. Would any amount of PVP qualify to get dungeon gear in your mind?

I do not support his desires for rewards from dueling. I won't bother commenting on any of that.

I've carried players in DLC content, normal dungeons at least. You can't really carry people in veteran DLC dungeons because it's just not possible, everyone needs to pull their weight in those. But, like I said before, you don't need to do veteran to farm a lot of the gear. The golden vendor in cyrodiil sells the monster helms and shoulders, they also sell gold quality rings and necklaces. There's also some builds that don't include monster sets. In this case the OP mentioned Skoria monster set, I bet he could get carried through vet city of ash. Also, having a specific monster set isn't going to make or break your build, so again, there is no need to farm gear in veteran mode aside from wanting the purple jewelry, which isn't even a huge buff.

I have no doubt people would inevitably complain about the drop rate if boxes were introduced. Just like people complain(myself included) about drop rates in dungeons. It's a legitimate complaint to be honest, I'm not sure what ZOS can do about it, or even if they should do anything. But, preventing PVP players an avenue for getting gear to avoid future complaints about drop rate seems like a silly reason to dismiss it.

I have never played GW2. But the system he explained intrigues me as a PVPer. It seems very similar to what happens on the PTS, you get to pick and choose from most of the best gear in the game. I wouldn't want that system applied to the entire game, but I wouldn't mind if they added a separate PVP campaign with that system. Go all the way with it, give everyone every ability fully leveled and 690 champion points. Make it an even playing field, where skill trumps time investment. But, like I said, make it optional for just one type of PVP campaign.

Another player that takes suggestions on how to open the game up to more players as a personal attack lol. If you cannot handle a concept designed to simply make the game more enjoyable for more players without hurting anybody then why are you here? It's not about being lazy it's about making the game more enjoyable for everyone without hurting any current playstyles or players.