Fix the game to make it fun for more players

ShadowMonarch

altemriel wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again. Now days I play in the No-CP campaign sothra sil. Now there are a few problems that players who only partake in pvp face. The first one is $$$$ we only get paid one time a month, about 40k gold when the campgain ends. This payout really sucks. Now why do we need money you ask? Cause we need gear, upgrading gear, buying gear ect. Which is point number 2. A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait. I have quit the game before for a few short periods of time, months ect. Because I cannot gear my characters. Even if I do get gear I do not ever have enough money to get it to gold, Hell I can save my gold for 2months of pvp and only be able to gold out 1 peice of gear. Forget that if I have to use gold to buy foods or anything else.

So my big question is, How come I cannot buy all the sets for AP in pvp? It doesn't make the game unbalanced if they just cost a lot of AP then only pvpers could afford them and it would give us something to do that we enjoy rather then grinding and farming and kicking and screaming our way through pve and dungeons over and over. In all my time I have NEVER played a mmo with such a large focus on pvp and still have to pve to get almost 100% of my gear. ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

I have been playing a magblade and nothing else for almost 2 years now, it is the only character I managed to get some what decent gear for so depsite having other characters they are all useless with no gear.

while I only play PVE and almost no PVP, I am with you - there should definitely be an option for you PVPers to buy your sets for AP or Telvar stones!! The price should be high enough, so that only real PVPers should be able to afford it!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober

I am glad to see some productive members here! If you have any suggestions from the PVE side please do share!!

Kel

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again. Now days I play in the No-CP campaign sothra sil. Now there are a few problems that players who only partake in pvp face. The first one is $$$$ we only get paid one time a month, about 40k gold when the campgain ends. This payout really sucks. Now why do we need money you ask? Cause we need gear, upgrading gear, buying gear ect. Which is point number 2. A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait. I have quit the game before for a few short periods of time, months ect. Because I cannot gear my characters. Even if I do get gear I do not ever have enough money to get it to gold, Hell I can save my gold for 2months of pvp and only be able to gold out 1 peice of gear. Forget that if I have to use gold to buy foods or anything else.

So my big question is, How come I cannot buy all the sets for AP in pvp? It doesn't make the game unbalanced if they just cost a lot of AP then only pvpers could afford them and it would give us something to do that we enjoy rather then grinding and farming and kicking and screaming our way through pve and dungeons over and over. In all my time I have NEVER played a mmo with such a large focus on pvp and still have to pve to get almost 100% of my gear. ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

I have been playing a magblade and nothing else for almost 2 years now, it is the only character I managed to get some what decent gear for so depsite having other characters they are all useless with no gear.

while I only play PVE and almost no PVP, I am with you - there should definitely be an option for you PVPers to buy your sets for AP or Telvar stones!! The price should be high enough, so that only real PVPers should be able to afford it!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober

I am glad to see some productive members here! If you have any suggestions from the PVE side please do share!!

So, someone disagrees with you, they need to read your post again....they agree with you, they are productive.
Oh...another one of these threads....
Ok....
Like I said before, until I can buy dungeon sets with gold, you shouldn't be able to buy dungeon sets with AP. I notice you don't bring up buying Cyrodiil sets for PvE'rs that don't earn AP. I mean, why earn anything by doing dungeon content right? Why even have gear drops...just let us buy them? That's the thinking here?
Someone brought up the gold jewelry sellers. Yes, you can buy them with AP. You can also buy them with gold. If that happens, then fair enough. Until then, you are just going to have to do what's necessary to get your set, your enjoyment of the content is irrelevant to what you hope to gain.
That's the point of my post you ignored.

Cherryblossom

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again. Now days I play in the No-CP campaign sothra sil. Now there are a few problems that players who only partake in pvp face. The first one is $$$$ we only get paid one time a month, about 40k gold when the campgain ends. This payout really sucks. Now why do we need money you ask? Cause we need gear, upgrading gear, buying gear ect. Which is point number 2. A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait. I have quit the game before for a few short periods of time, months ect. Because I cannot gear my characters. Even if I do get gear I do not ever have enough money to get it to gold, Hell I can save my gold for 2months of pvp and only be able to gold out 1 peice of gear. Forget that if I have to use gold to buy foods or anything else.

So my big question is, How come I cannot buy all the sets for AP in pvp? It doesn't make the game unbalanced if they just cost a lot of AP then only pvpers could afford them and it would give us something to do that we enjoy rather then grinding and farming and kicking and screaming our way through pve and dungeons over and over. In all my time I have NEVER played a mmo with such a large focus on pvp and still have to pve to get almost 100% of my gear. ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

I have been playing a magblade and nothing else for almost 2 years now, it is the only character I managed to get some what decent gear for so depsite having other characters they are all useless with no gear.

@ShadowMonarch
I can only assume you are lying about doing PVP!
You can buy all the zone sets with AP, you get mails for all the AP you accumulate, of which you will get Items that you can sell. You also every weekend have the chance of getting Gold Jewelry, plus Monster sets in traits which are good for PVP.

gabormezo

I have only one complaint there: that freaking Mages Guild skill line! That's why I have only two mag toons. If they make house lorebooks to increase skill lines, or there would be Cyro or BG quest to kill magicka or stamina chars for guild exprience, I would be happy.

Hixtory

Not making gold with AP, what?

I have sold and bought AP for gold, go to a zone like reapers and sell in zone with a 6 to 1 ratio and you get a buyer right away. So assuming you only play pvp as you say, That means you have at least 3 millon ap every month. And that is being very very conservative. Meaning you can sell that for 500k gold EASY, and 500k buys you around 62 alloys or around 125 wax or rosin. You telling us there is no way to make gold with ap is complete nonsense.

Also telvar will get you mats So you can craft your own pots

GreenhaloX

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again.

ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

Ha ha ha.. you know I feel the same about PvP. I can't stand it as much as you can't stand PvE. You can replace all the PvP word with PvE in place within your texts/comments, and we are oppositely quite similar. Hey, just like in real life, I tend to not understand why people do certain things or like certain things. i.e. speeding, smoking, drugs, steal, hate or hurt other people. Similarly with ESO, certain peeps just like either PvP or PvE and both. Likewise, and not dishing or knocking PvP, I, for one, don't enjoy or can stand PvP; tried it about 4 to 5 different times over the course of 2 years and still the same for me. It's cool, though that you and others just enjoy PvP so much; nothing wrong with that. Well, it's not really like stealing or doing drugs like in real life; however, same concept in not understanding why people like or do certain things that are harmful to themselves and/or others.

Spacemonkey

Read op, not the entire thread.

I'm mostly a PvE-er, but I kind of agree. I feel there should be more PvP-oriented zones. (Or some zones that have half or some kind of PvP interaction in them.)

I do feel you are forgetting TelVars and IC and the sets that come from there - but I also agree the most efficient way to grind that is to PvE in IC because of the low PvP population there nowadays.

If anything, I feel like there should be additional ponctual objectives in PvP with moderate payouts - IC could reallllly use more open combat areas (paths that connect each alliance directly instead of being stuck in mid? Perhaps with Flags?) - on top of a orsinium-like-anniversary discount if not just making it free purchase for a set amount of time to anyone that can grab it in that period. And I really feel like Battlegrounds needs to go back to no cp - if not going purely with loadouts like any actual matchmaking game.

idk

To answer OPs question, some things are tied to PvE and some to PvP and others to crafting.

It's no different than a healer or tank for PvE beOmg required to PvP to get WH, et. al.

The game is purposely designed to encourage players seeing a little of everything and that just the way it will be. Good design.

Darkstorne

idk wrote: »

To answer OPs question, some things are tied to PvE and some to PvP and others to crafting.

It's no different than a healer or tank for PvE beOmg required to PvP to get WH, et. al.

The game is purposely designed to encourage players seeing a little of everything and that just the way it will be. Good design.

When you look at it from a PVE mindset it's easy to say that. There are very things you need to dip into PVP for to take back to PVE. But from the other perspective, the vast majority of good gear in this game is tied exclusively to hardcore PVE settings. I see no reason why adding the ability to earn dungeon/trial/monster sets through PVP would be a bad thing. It's not so much a change as an addition. It hurts no-one, and just makes PVP a more viable option for those who enjoy it.

umagon

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again. Now days I play in the No-CP campaign sothra sil. Now there are a few problems that players who only partake in pvp face. The first one is $$$$ we only get paid one time a month, about 40k gold when the campgain ends. This payout really sucks. Now why do we need money you ask? Cause we need gear, upgrading gear, buying gear ect. Which is point number 2. A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait. I have quit the game before for a few short periods of time, months ect. Because I cannot gear my characters. Even if I do get gear I do not ever have enough money to get it to gold, Hell I can save my gold for 2months of pvp and only be able to gold out 1 peice of gear. Forget that if I have to use gold to buy foods or anything else.

So my big question is, How come I cannot buy all the sets for AP in pvp? It doesn't make the game unbalanced if they just cost a lot of AP then only pvpers could afford them and it would give us something to do that we enjoy rather then grinding and farming and kicking and screaming our way through pve and dungeons over and over. In all my time I have NEVER played a mmo with such a large focus on pvp and still have to pve to get almost 100% of my gear. ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

I have been playing a magblade and nothing else for almost 2 years now, it is the only character I managed to get some what decent gear for so depsite having other characters they are all useless with no gear.

You cannot purchase items sets with desired type, trait, and armor weight; because they have a set time frame they want items to be acquired in. And any system that could, can, or maybe allow players to accelerate their item acquisition times usually isn’t implemented. What most players see is the rng but it really goes deeper than that.

First, they design the items in a matter that they will have some value to the player. Normally this done by making them increase the player’s character’s attributes. Then they establish a time frame they want players to acquired highly valued items. Follow by implementing a combination of systems such as rng, dungeons, events, etc.

The problem with AP is players can co-conspire with each other to gain AP in an accelerated manner. They would have cap the amount of AP that could be gained per day, and wipe all current AP to implement that type of system. They could make a new currency but then that would be more work with little return on value for zos.

Also, zos doesn’t care about your level “fun” they care about you purchasing things. Only time “fun” is factored into the equation is when it can net a profit. Game development is now all about time and money. If developers cared about “fun” they wouldn’t implement things like conditioning mechanics into the games. And wouldn’t go along with everything executives want to do, but most have sold out so don’t expect many “fun” games.

badmojo

Cherryblossom wrote: »

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Hi so I only pvp, I know one of "those" guys but hear me out.

So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding. It makes me want to actually harm myself physically. I literally cannot stand it. Back in the days of vet levels I would just delete my characters when they got to level 50 and start new characters to enter the lowbie pvp server again. Now days I play in the No-CP campaign sothra sil. Now there are a few problems that players who only partake in pvp face. The first one is $$$$ we only get paid one time a month, about 40k gold when the campgain ends. This payout really sucks. Now why do we need money you ask? Cause we need gear, upgrading gear, buying gear ect. Which is point number 2. A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait. I have quit the game before for a few short periods of time, months ect. Because I cannot gear my characters. Even if I do get gear I do not ever have enough money to get it to gold, Hell I can save my gold for 2months of pvp and only be able to gold out 1 peice of gear. Forget that if I have to use gold to buy foods or anything else.

So my big question is, How come I cannot buy all the sets for AP in pvp? It doesn't make the game unbalanced if they just cost a lot of AP then only pvpers could afford them and it would give us something to do that we enjoy rather then grinding and farming and kicking and screaming our way through pve and dungeons over and over. In all my time I have NEVER played a mmo with such a large focus on pvp and still have to pve to get almost 100% of my gear. ESO is by far the best pvp I can find in a MMORPG so it really sucks I cannot even gear a single character out cause the sets that are anywhere near optimal are out of my reach in pve.

I have been playing a magblade and nothing else for almost 2 years now, it is the only character I managed to get some what decent gear for so depsite having other characters they are all useless with no gear.

@ShadowMonarch
I can only assume you are lying about doing PVP!
You can buy all the zone sets with AP, you get mails for all the AP you accumulate, of which you will get Items that you can sell. You also every weekend have the chance of getting Gold Jewelry, plus Monster sets in traits which are good for PVP.

Can't buy the sets that drop in group dungeons and trials.

Did you suggest selling the rewards for the worthy gear? LOL yeah that might get you a couple thousand a week....might.

Golden vendor is very limited. Some of the most desired sets have never been for sale yet.

DanielWinterborn

I have to say I can't agree with this and here's why : You want top gear, work for it. Simple as that, that's one of the ways to separate amateurs from "pros". I only have 3 monster sets but honestly I don't need them and if I did, I'd grind them. You don't like grinding, I get that, but then get used to low pieces of gear and being defeated by less worthy pvp players but with better items.

badmojo

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

I have to say I can't agree with this and here's why : You want top gear, work for it. Simple as that, that's one of the ways to separate amateurs from "pros". I only have 3 monster sets but honestly I don't need them and if I did, I'd grind them. You don't like grinding, I get that, but then get used to low pieces of gear and being defeated by less worthy pvp players but with better items.

Why do you assume he doesnt want to grind for gear? He just wants the pvp grind to eventually pay out the same gear as the pve grind. I didnt see anything suggesting it be easier going the pvp route. If the AP cost isnt enough of a hurdle, then RNG drop rates could make it harder, locking the drop boxes behind achievements or pvp ranking could also slow pvpers down.

The issue is that no amount of work a pvper does will ever get him a bind on pickup set piece. Other than a few random jewelry and monster sets.

Kel

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

NewBlacksmurf

Acrolas wrote: »

Fix the game ≠ fundamentally altering the game to fit one player's myopic view of how the game should be played

Completely agree with the quote above.......and I'll add

Fix the game could mean...remove PvP from PvE in terms of the characters, skills, gear, etc.

This would mean a separate experience and separate character progression system for PvP

It would altar all PvE zones with PvP so they are PvE pure zones but the other game modes would keep those zones and offer pure PvP. That seems the only way to keep both sides happy with such a major change.

badmojo

jabrone77 wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

You dont speak for ZOS. They have multiple features in the game that do not align with your rationalization. Region boxes, golden vendor, unbound motifs and other items purchasable with pvp currencies. All those things allow players to get rewards outside their native activities.

Kel

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

You dont speak for ZOS. They have multiple features in the game that do not align with your rationalization. Region boxes, golden vendor, unbound motifs and other items purchasable with pvp currencies. All those things allow players to get rewards outside their native activities.

So, he can buy the thing he's asking for? If so, no point in the thread. If not, I don't need to speak for Zos to let this person know he needs to go to the dungeon to get his set.
And I must say, for someone looking to keep his mind engaged at all times, buying gear with currency seems like a pretty boring move. Not a road I would've thought you'd defend.
What do you honestly like about this game? You want everything changed...you can't like it too much.

Jade1986

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

When ever I see someone posting a complain saying the game shoud be changed to their likings, I just roll my eyes. Be it single player crowd, pvp, or group crowd. You come to this game, you adapt to this game, you dont make demands that it should be changed to your playstyle.

Nobody has made any demands, I urge you to reread the threat and make more intelligent and productive posts

In fact, you did, you want dropped , some of the best in game, to be available with AP. That would be altering the game so you wouldnt have to pve. Again, this is an mmo with pve, group and pvp aspects, if you come expecting or wanting everything to be available through your playstyle , you will be disappointed.

badmojo

jabrone77 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

You dont speak for ZOS. They have multiple features in the game that do not align with your rationalization. Region boxes, golden vendor, unbound motifs and other items purchasable with pvp currencies. All those things allow players to get rewards outside their native activities.

So, he can buy the thing he's asking for? If so, no point in the thread. If not, I don't need to speak for Zos to let this person know he needs to go to the dungeon to get his set.
And I must say, for someone looking to keep his mind engaged at all times, buying gear with currency seems like a pretty boring move. Not a road I would've thought you'd defend.
What do you honestly like about this game? You want everything changed...you can't like it too much.

You don't even know that part of the game? Why are you posting in this thread if you don't even know what can and can not be purchased by a PVPer?

PVP keeps my mind engaged most of the time. Doing the same dungeons over and over to get gear does not. I would only PVP if that was a viable option, therefore I will support just about any suggestion to make it more viable to only do PVP.

What do I like about ESO? That would be a very long winded essay. I'll say that first and foremost I enjoy the Elder Scroll lore the game is based on. I really enjoy the world, it's really well done and very diverse. I enjoy the group play, be it in PVP or PVE. The alliance war is what got me to buy the game, because it's teamwork focused, without being team based. I do enjoy the PVE end game dungeons, but only for the first half dozen times. I love the character customization, and the ability to have so many characters. The wardrobe and dying systems are great, but could be improved upon. I really enjoy map making in other games, so the home system got me back into the game earlier this year. I had taken a break for about a year. I like the long grinds associated with crafting and I enjoy doing crafting dailies(I do them on 14 characters almost everyday). I did enjoy the story the first couple times I went through it, but now those quests are like nails on a chalkboard, I do them, but just for the skillpoints. I REALLY enjoyed back when there was 50+ and 50++ for veteran characters, it made the PVE overland content a lot of fun and made the zones feel more alive and dangerous. I like fishing(Master Angler). I was one of the only people who actually like the old inventory management mini-game before craftbag was introduced. I like the option to join 5 guilds.

There isn't much besides questing and easy PVE enemies that I dislike about this game. The bugs, the bugs do suck.

Rainraven

TequilaFire wrote: »

What they really need to do is revamp some of the PvP sets to be more useful and add a few more sets specific to PvP obtainable only by grinding PvP so we don't have to grind PvE as much.

That would be good. They can't or won't make them useful in PVE because endless QQ from people who don't like PVP, but they could at least make them useful in PVP!

Kel

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

You dont speak for ZOS. They have multiple features in the game that do not align with your rationalization. Region boxes, golden vendor, unbound motifs and other items purchasable with pvp currencies. All those things allow players to get rewards outside their native activities.

So, he can buy the thing he's asking for? If so, no point in the thread. If not, I don't need to speak for Zos to let this person know he needs to go to the dungeon to get his set.
And I must say, for someone looking to keep his mind engaged at all times, buying gear with currency seems like a pretty boring move. Not a road I would've thought you'd defend.
What do you honestly like about this game? You want everything changed...you can't like it too much.

You don't even know that part of the game? Why are you posting in this thread if you don't even know what can and can not be purchased by a PVPer?

PVP keeps my mind engaged most of the time. Doing the same dungeons over and over to get gear does not. I would only PVP if that was a viable option, therefore I will support just about any suggestion to make it more viable to only do PVP.

What do I like about ESO? That would be a very long winded essay. I'll say that first and foremost I enjoy the Elder Scroll lore the game is based on. I really enjoy the world, it's really well done and very diverse. I enjoy the group play, be it in PVP or PVE. The alliance war is what got me to buy the game, because it's teamwork focused, without being team based. I do enjoy the PVE end game dungeons, but only for the first half dozen times. I love the character customization, and the ability to have so many characters. The wardrobe and dying systems are great, but could be improved upon. I really enjoy map making in other games, so the home system got me back into the game earlier this year. I had taken a break for about a year. I like the long grinds associated with crafting and I enjoy doing crafting dailies(I do them on 14 characters almost everyday). I did enjoy the story the first couple times I went through it, but now those quests are like nails on a chalkboard, I do them, but just for the skillpoints. I REALLY enjoyed back when there was 50+ and 50++ for veteran characters, it made the PVE overland content a lot of fun and made the zones feel more alive and dangerous. I like fishing(Master Angler). I was one of the only people who actually like the old inventory management mini-game before craftbag was introduced. I like the option to join 5 guilds.

There isn't much besides questing and easy PVE enemies that I dislike about this game. The bugs, the bugs do suck.

So, you can buy Amberplasm with AP? No? Any dungeon set? No...you can't. What's to know? I do know..that's the point. I know to get a dungeon set, no amount of PvP will help you. Over world zone stuff, sure. Dungeon gear..get thee to the dungeon. What the hell is there to know? The post isn't about getting overworld sets, but some of the best sets dungeons have to offer. A humongous distinction. Do you not know the topic? Why are you posting about sets not found in dungeons?
Yeah..because getting a random piece of zone gear for 5,000 AP is exactly the same thing as getting Amberplasm from a dungeon.

idk

Darkstorne wrote: »

idk wrote: »

To answer OPs question, some things are tied to PvE and some to PvP and others to crafting.

It's no different than a healer or tank for PvE beOmg required to PvP to get WH, et. al.

The game is purposely designed to encourage players seeing a little of everything and that just the way it will be. Good design.

When you look at it from a PVE mindset it's easy to say that. There are very things you need to dip into PVP for to take back to PVE. But from the other perspective, the vast majority of good gear in this game is tied exclusively to hardcore PVE settings. I see no reason why adding the ability to earn dungeon/trial/monster sets through PVP would be a bad thing. It's not so much a change as an addition. It hurts no-one, and just makes PVP a more viable option for those who enjoy it.

So what I'm for Seruius PvE players is not ok for PvP. Got it.

Considering how significantly easier it is to farm gear now that we can change the trait it seems rather off color saying this is a big deal. It also only applies to drop BoP gear since BoE can be purchased.

The best reply is probably something like it's not fair that PvE players can make money off the lvl community selling them gear. Well, there are PvP sets that PvE players buy. Morag Tong and PA come to mind and there are likely others I'm not thinking off.

So the best response would be that OP really hates crafting so he has not done the research to change traits. Well, he only needs to research the traits he actually wants to use which takes hours per piece for one per slot of that weight armor or weapon. If that's to much trouble for him then really to bad, so sad. Also, PvP is one of the most efficient means to gain the crystals for trait change.

We can continue and start splitting hairs. OP can deal with it. It's not the huge incumbrance OP paints it out to be.

badmojo

jabrone77 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

Read op, not the entire thread.

Did that and he specifically wants to purchase a PvE set with his PvP currency.

"So I HATE pve/crafting and I really HATE grinding.
A large number of gear sets in this game HAVE to be grinded and farmed in PVE. I had to use 44 keys to get my skoria shoulders and they got TRAINING trait on them.... I ran ruins of malz 5 times and only got 1 peice of amberplasm with the right trait."

So, he just wants to bypass doing the necessary steps to get what he wants because it's not pleasant to him.
Does anyone really think it's a good idea to just pay for sets instead of earning them? Don't you grind for currency anyway? I mean, you still aren't getting rid of grinding..just what you're grinding for.
I'd agree, PvP should have sets earned in PvP. That's fair. That's not OP's argument though. He wants to buy PvE sets with PvP currency.
Can I buy a malestrom lightning staff? I hate grinding vMA, so after x number of attempts I should just be able to buy it with some currency, right? See how ridiculous that sounds?
You work for your goal. If the reward is worth it to you, you do what it takes to accomplish that goal. Just as Zos put better crystal drops in PvP to encourage more players to try it, putting gear you want in PvE is to encourage you to do that content. You choose not to, you miss out. Simple as that.

You dont speak for ZOS. They have multiple features in the game that do not align with your rationalization. Region boxes, golden vendor, unbound motifs and other items purchasable with pvp currencies. All those things allow players to get rewards outside their native activities.

So, he can buy the thing he's asking for? If so, no point in the thread. If not, I don't need to speak for Zos to let this person know he needs to go to the dungeon to get his set.
And I must say, for someone looking to keep his mind engaged at all times, buying gear with currency seems like a pretty boring move. Not a road I would've thought you'd defend.
What do you honestly like about this game? You want everything changed...you can't like it too much.

You don't even know that part of the game? Why are you posting in this thread if you don't even know what can and can not be purchased by a PVPer?

PVP keeps my mind engaged most of the time. Doing the same dungeons over and over to get gear does not. I would only PVP if that was a viable option, therefore I will support just about any suggestion to make it more viable to only do PVP.

What do I like about ESO? That would be a very long winded essay. I'll say that first and foremost I enjoy the Elder Scroll lore the game is based on. I really enjoy the world, it's really well done and very diverse. I enjoy the group play, be it in PVP or PVE. The alliance war is what got me to buy the game, because it's teamwork focused, without being team based. I do enjoy the PVE end game dungeons, but only for the first half dozen times. I love the character customization, and the ability to have so many characters. The wardrobe and dying systems are great, but could be improved upon. I really enjoy map making in other games, so the home system got me back into the game earlier this year. I had taken a break for about a year. I like the long grinds associated with crafting and I enjoy doing crafting dailies(I do them on 14 characters almost everyday). I did enjoy the story the first couple times I went through it, but now those quests are like nails on a chalkboard, I do them, but just for the skillpoints. I REALLY enjoyed back when there was 50+ and 50++ for veteran characters, it made the PVE overland content a lot of fun and made the zones feel more alive and dangerous. I like fishing(Master Angler). I was one of the only people who actually like the old inventory management mini-game before craftbag was introduced. I like the option to join 5 guilds.

There isn't much besides questing and easy PVE enemies that I dislike about this game. The bugs, the bugs do suck.

So, you can buy Amberplasm with AP? No? Any dungeon set? No...you can't. What's to know? I do know..that's the point. I know to get a dungeon set, no amount of PvP will help you. Over world zone stuff, sure. Dungeon gear..get thee to the dungeon. What the hell is there to know? The post isn't about getting overworld sets, but some of the best sets dungeons have to offer. A humongous distinction. Do you not know the topic? Why are you posting about sets not found in dungeons?
Yeah..because getting a random piece of zone gear for 5,000 AP is exactly the same thing as getting Amberplasm from a dungeon.

You said

So, he can buy the thing he's asking for? If so, no point in the thread.

everything in that sentence pointed to you not really knowing what was available. Which is why I asked if you even knew about the topic.

Why was I talking about overland sets that can be purchased for AP? Because it was an example of ZOS giving PVPers a way to get PVE gear without doing any PVE. I also mentioned buying unbound motifs and items. You know, the stuff that people buy on the guild stores, that comes from people playing PVP and gaining AP. It's all fine and good to have PVE players buying motifs, polymorphs and other PVP sourced items, but some people take a passionate stand against the reverse happening. As if a PVPer getting some BOP PVE gear is going to affect them.

Why assume the price to be 5000 AP? That would greatly imbalance things, you can get 5k AP in a matter of a few minutes. For a random BOP set piece I would think more like 100k or more. I don't mind if it takes longer to get the gear in PVP, just being able to get it eventually would be huge.

Kuramas9tails

I am so offended.

JK.

But yeah, the same old grind is boring. The only thing keeping me alive in ESO is PVP and motifs.

Kel

As if a PVPer getting some BOP PVE gear is going to affect them.

It doesn't affect me. In fact, there's a way for him to get that gear set right now. He's just making a topic about it because he doesn't like the way to get it.
I'm not against him getting it at all. He can get it.
It's highly unlikely it'll happen the way he wants it to.
If ZOS said "Here's PvP gear you can earn in PvP" and take these sets out of dungeons, that's one thing. But if they keep it in a dungeon, it'll stay there, and sorry, you'll need to do that dungeon.
If you can buy sets of dungeon gear for a PvP currency, it opens the door to buying dungeon gear for gold. Can't anyone see why that's a bad thing? It's ridiculous.
Zos can change what gear drops where. That's fine. Buying gear that drops in dungeons...that's just not ever going to work.
I'm not against them adding sets for PvP, or against them changing where the sets can be acquired...I'm against buying dungeons sets period. With any currencies.
Grind it...just like everyone else has to..

badmojo

jabrone77 wrote: »

As if a PVPer getting some BOP PVE gear is going to affect them.

If you can buy sets of dungeon gear for a PvP currency, it opens the door to buying dungeon gear for gold. Can't anyone see why that's a bad thing? It's ridiculous.

Bind on pickup. Just like a lot of the golden vendor items.

Eirella

And here I thought you meant fix the game as in fixing the lag, bugs, and stuff.....

badmojo

@ShadowMonarch About your lack of gold and gold tempers as a PVPer, I would suggest you get your characters doing the crafting writs. If you do all 6 crafts on a veteran character you can make 4k gold per day, even if their crafts are level 1 with no skill points into it. Gold rewards for writs are based on the characters level rather than their crafts level. Writs also reward gold tempers pretty frequently. I tend to hoard them so I have almost 500 of each type at this point, and golded gear on my frequently played characters.

Some things to consider if you decide to do the writs....

-Do the 3 main crafts on every character you can. Maple, Jute, Iron are really cheap to buy, so just load up on them after you have established a surplus of money.

-The enchanting writs can be done on all characters as well, but mostly just for leveling the craft and the odd Kuta and of course gold. Non-vet characters only get half as much gold, so if you don't have a huge surplus of enchanting materials, only do them on vet characters.

-Provisioning writs I only do when the character hits level50 provisioning, mostly out of laziness. I have 1 master chef who has all the skill points and knows all the recipes. She makes all the food required for the highest level writs and puts stacks in the bank. When I get the writ I summon the banker and pull the stuff out to turn it in. It's simple, but if you have different levels of provisioning, it gets complicated because you will need many different foods.

-Alchemy gets expensive. Unless you have a level 50 alchemist and a bunch of saved up materials, I really wouldn't bother, best thing it drops is money and alchemy surveys. Worst part is most of the writs ask for 3 nirnroot or mudcrab chitin, both are rather expensive and a pain to farm. I end up buying them on guild stores, but nirnroot I try to farm because its too expensive.

-If you have the PC version get the addon called "Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter" it cuts down on the time to do writs by a good 300%. Basically with this addon you run up to the sign and press E, it auto accepts all the quests, then you run to the crafting stations and press E, it auto crafts the required items, and when you open the bank it auto pulls anything in there that fits the requirements, then you run to the turn in boxes and press E on each one, it auto loots and opens the shipment boxes. This addon changed my life.

-Funnel all the surveys to a veteran level character with max level in the crafts. This way you will get the max level materials when you harvest. They stack, so let them pile up in the bank or in that characters inventory. When you harvest one, if you have more than 1 copy just run a little bit away and come back and it should have respawned.

-If you have the PC version get the addon called "Lost Treasure" it will put red X marks on your map and compass where the survey and treasure maps are located. The X will disappear after looting.

-Do all writs in Mournhold. I park all my characters at the equipment writ sign so I can just login grab the writs, do the 3 stations, hit the other sign, walk to enchanting place and hit up that station, summon the banker, pull the provisioning and alchemy stuff, then mount up and run out to the turn in spot and back to the sign to log out. Less than 3 minutes per character for 4k gold plus reward items is a great time to profit ratio.

-Writs can't be done on characters under level 5. You can get certified, but you won't be able to interact with the sign until you level up.

-Master writs drop more for better crafters. Knowing more motifs will give you more drops. Having higher skill and points into it also seems to help from what I've seen. So learn all the motifs you can on every character you plan on doing writs.

-Intricate items sell very well on guild stores. You get a lot of intricate items as rewards for doing writs and if you aren't trying to level characters to 50 in the craft you can sell them for 200gold a piece. Its not a lot of gold, but they sell pretty quickly if your guild has a trader.

-Selling unneeded tempers is a great way to fuel your writ machine. If you keep doing writs regularly, you will get more, so sell them if you need cash. I only hoard because I don't need cash. When I bought a house earlier this year I sold hundreds...really quickly. They are in high demand and people will pay reasonable prices for them.

-Writs are on a reset time system. I think the time they reset is 1:00am eastern time on the NA server. You can even take the quests and do them the next day then take more quests.

-Be careful with master writs, don't accidentally activate them on characters who can't do them. Make sure they have the skill, traits and motif to do it before activating it. I have never sold any of mine, but they seem to be constantly for sale in zone chat so I imagine they sell well.

-Don't expect to get rich quick. It's something you have to work at daily in order to see the benefits from. But for the time it takes the rewards are plentiful. Just keep at it.

-If you end up doing a lot of writs, get the banker assistant. It's well worth the 5k crowns.



Hope that helps, if you are on PC/NA and need any help with anything, gimme a shout @badmojo420

SmellyUnlimited

Acrolas wrote: »

Fix the game ≠ fundamentally altering the game to fit one player's myopic view of how the game should be played

Perfectly stated. You play 30% of the game (PvP) but are up in arms because not everything has been built to revolve around the musical chairs of Cyrodil? PvP was never intended to be a complete option for the game; by design it’s to be used in conjunction with PvE foe the full experience.

Reason why more people PvE than PvP? Because the PvP system/builds are completely contrary to what’s used in PvE, nonsensically so. Light or medium armor in PvP? Hell no. Heavy armor is too broken right now not to use it. Everyone’s a vampire? Sure! The bonuses heavily outweigh the negatives, no reason not to. Mageblade bombers traveling in packs with VIcious Death proxy bombing entire groups and wiping them easily. Why not?!

News flash: PvP isn’t terribly exciting. I’m in a very competitive PvP guild, yet still spend the majority of my time on my mount riding across boringly dull landscapes to the next keep that looks exactly the same as the rest. Get wiped? Well
time to remount and spend the next 20 minutes running through mind numbing environments. Maybe, if I’m lucky, zoning will be “unusually long”!

At least Imperial City was innovative. It was at least a start to what Cyrodil SHOULD have been.

TL DR: Dungeons are incredibly easy to farm. You can even just run them on normal and be done in a quarter of the time, albeit with blue and not purple gear (which shouldn’t impact PvP terribly, or if non-jewelry, just improve the color). If you really wanted Amberplasm - grab 3 guild buddies, run RoM normal, and between the 4 of you you will likely get whatever pieces you need in a single run. Two max.

Wraithscream

ShadowMonarch wrote: »

I should also throw in that Dueling also has no rewards. When dueling came out I stopped everything and did nothing but duel for about 8 months.

Even if you win 10000000 duels and beat players with over x2 your CP you still get nothing for it at the end of the day. No gold. No Ap. No gear. Nothing.

I'd like to see dueling taken out of the game buuut there is one fix they could do to make me not hate it. Ban dueling inside cities. The amount of braindead people dueling right next to the traders in Deshaan is amazingly annoying. Go find somewhere else to duel.