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Magicka buids - Buff them (Stam imblalance problem)
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).
Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.
....and people would *still* complain Vigor or Healing Ward is OP for various reasons if that happened
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lynog85✭✭✭
Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭Iplay mainly magicka these days... but.... I don't want to see them get buffed on to a par with stamina builds... well .. not unless they give stamina builds the same survivability that mag builds have.. ts fair as it is now, if you can't do enough damage with a mag build right now then maybe the problem is somewhere else..1 -
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✭Game is pretty balanced overall IMHO, and if I find my character is under-performing, I'll respec or roll a new build. Seems a lot simpler than asking the game manufacturer to adjust my existing character for me.
I'd prefer a healthy round of serious bug fixes to more "balance" adjustments at this time to be honest.PS5NA0 -
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Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
Not at all. Magblade is top dog right now. Stamblade is currently in 7th place, above that is stamDK, and then every magicka spec above that. Stam Warden is only stronger than mag Warden in open world, but it's inferior in 1v1.0 -
lynog85✭✭✭
Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
Not at all. Magblade is top dog right now. Stamblade is currently in 7th place, above that is stamDK, and then every magicka spec above that. Stam Warden is only stronger than mag Warden in open world, but it's inferior in 1v1.
Literally so very very very wrong. Stamblade specced properly in duels is unbelievable. As strong as a magblade without doubt. Stamblade openworld is literally leagues ahead of a magblade.
Stamwarden openworld is leagues ahead of its counterpart but both are very strong 1v1.
Magplar probably has the edge slightly over stam openworld. Stamplar slightly overagplar 1v1.
Mag sorc is weak af 1v1 but stam sorc is literally bottom of the barrel. Mag sorc open world is also leagues ahead of stam sorc.
Magdk has always been one of the best 1v1 classes, stam 1v1 is also very strong. Openworld though mag is defo the better class right now.
I have every class mag and stam varient. Some i have multiples of for racial reasons. Ie redguard stamblade and woodelf (just to see what was better)
Ive played everything to a very good level so im not just talking about things i know nothing about. This is just my honest opinion on all classes.2 -
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Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?Edited by Lexxypwns on December 16, 2017 12:32AM1 -
lynog85✭✭✭
Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?
No, would you care to explain how a magblade is better in a group? What does it bring that a stamblade doesnt exactly? Lets not pretend im right. Iam right.1 -
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Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?
No, would you care to explain how a magblade is better in a group? What does it bring that a stamblade doesnt exactly? Lets not pretend im right. Iam right.
Well, first off, mageblade is the single strongest group damage spec in the game, to the point that if you’re running ANY non-mageblade damage in a bomb group then you’re gimping yourself. Secondly mageblade insane healing, and can survive when marked and focused. Stamblade brings virtually nothing in the way of group utility, whereas simply existing means the mageblade is improving the healing of his group noticeably. And finally, the group utility sets available for magika outperform those available for stam.
Mageblade has superior ulti gen as wellEdited by Lexxypwns on December 16, 2017 1:15AM2 -
lynog85✭✭✭
Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?
No, would you care to explain how a magblade is better in a group? What does it bring that a stamblade doesnt exactly? Lets not pretend im right. Iam right.
Well, first off, mageblade is the single strongest group damage spec in the game, to the point that if you’re running ANY non-mageblade damage in a bomb group then you’re gimping yourself. Secondly mageblade insane healing, and can survive when marked and focused. Stamblade brings virtually nothing in the way of group utility, whereas simply existing means the mageblade is improving the healing of his group noticeably. And finally, the group utility sets available for magika outperform those available for stam.
Mageblade has superior ulti gen as well
Ok lets talk seriously about this now. A bomblade, yes. They are good to have in a group, they offer something a stamblade simply cant do. How exactly does it improve group healing though? As far as sets go, yes magic sets do have more group utility but in the same sense running thosd sets on a magtemp is just vastly better than running them on a magblade. I take it youre referring to your "brawler" wizards trans build right? Much much much better on magplar. Especially for group play.
Class ability wise it offers nothing a stamblade doesnt. A stamblade easily just put on a set of duroks/fasallas or cyro crest and be just as usefull to a group. A stamblade is much much more dangerous openworld and far better equiped to 1vx. Magblade is meh openworld. So far behind all the other mag classes bar maybe mag warden. Absolute beastly in duel but like i said, not even close to a stamblade.openworld.0 -
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Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?
No, would you care to explain how a magblade is better in a group? What does it bring that a stamblade doesnt exactly? Lets not pretend im right. Iam right.
Well, first off, mageblade is the single strongest group damage spec in the game, to the point that if you’re running ANY non-mageblade damage in a bomb group then you’re gimping yourself. Secondly mageblade insane healing, and can survive when marked and focused. Stamblade brings virtually nothing in the way of group utility, whereas simply existing means the mageblade is improving the healing of his group noticeably. And finally, the group utility sets available for magika outperform those available for stam.
Mageblade has superior ulti gen as well
Ok lets talk seriously about this now. A bomblade, yes. They are good to have in a group, they offer something a stamblade simply cant do. How exactly does it improve group healing though? As far as sets go, yes magic sets do have more group utility but in the same sense running thosd sets on a magtemp is just vastly better than running them on a magblade. I take it youre referring to your "brawler" wizards trans build right? Much much much better on magplar. Especially for group play.
Class ability wise it offers nothing a stamblade doesnt. A stamblade easily just put on a set of duroks/fasallas or cyro crest and be just as usefull to a group. A stamblade is much much more dangerous openworld and far better equiped to 1vx. Magblade is meh openworld. So far behind all the other mag classes bar maybe mag warden. Absolute beastly in duel but like i said, not even close to a stamblade.openworld.
Funnel, path, healing ward, resto ult. Mageblade is a superior choice to run all the sets you mentioned as well. Stamblade is better 1vX only if we ignore bomb-blades. Magblade is the best open world magika class(when shade works, they’re in the discussion without it) because it’s got all the things that matter open world except readily available burst mechanics(magplar takes longer to setup burst, mag sorc and magden take a shorter time to set up, mDK has to leap/meteor).
I can push 800k healing easy in a BG without ever focusing on healing on a mageblade, youll never see a stamblade near those numbers.0 -
lynog85✭✭✭
Stam sorc is literally the second worst spec in the game.(sDK is the worst, stamplar is just above them). Stamblade is very strong, but mageblade is superior. Stam warden is literally the only stam class outperforming it’s magika equivalent in the present meta
Stamblade does outperform magblade in pvp? What
It doesn’t. There’s no more impactful class in eso pvp than mageblade. Stamblade is only superior SOLO open world(except it’s not, a solo bomber gets far more AP, but let’s pretend you’re right). As soon as there’s a second person in your group mageblade brings so much more to the table.
Are you Leepalmer?
No, would you care to explain how a magblade is better in a group? What does it bring that a stamblade doesnt exactly? Lets not pretend im right. Iam right.
Well, first off, mageblade is the single strongest group damage spec in the game, to the point that if you’re running ANY non-mageblade damage in a bomb group then you’re gimping yourself. Secondly mageblade insane healing, and can survive when marked and focused. Stamblade brings virtually nothing in the way of group utility, whereas simply existing means the mageblade is improving the healing of his group noticeably. And finally, the group utility sets available for magika outperform those available for stam.
Mageblade has superior ulti gen as well
Ok lets talk seriously about this now. A bomblade, yes. They are good to have in a group, they offer something a stamblade simply cant do. How exactly does it improve group healing though? As far as sets go, yes magic sets do have more group utility but in the same sense running thosd sets on a magtemp is just vastly better than running them on a magblade. I take it youre referring to your "brawler" wizards trans build right? Much much much better on magplar. Especially for group play.
Class ability wise it offers nothing a stamblade doesnt. A stamblade easily just put on a set of duroks/fasallas or cyro crest and be just as usefull to a group. A stamblade is much much more dangerous openworld and far better equiped to 1vx. Magblade is meh openworld. So far behind all the other mag classes bar maybe mag warden. Absolute beastly in duel but like i said, not even close to a stamblade.openworld.
Funnel, path, healing ward, resto ult. Mageblade is a superior choice to run all the sets you mentioned as well. Stamblade is better 1vX only if we ignore bomb-blades. Magblade is the best open world magika class(when shade works, they’re in the discussion without it) because it’s got all the things that matter open world except readily available burst mechanics(magplar takes longer to setup burst, mag sorc and magden take a shorter time to set up, mDK has to leap/meteor).
I can push 800k healing easy in a BG without ever focusing on healing on a mageblade, youll never see a stamblade near those numbers.
Magblade is nowhere near as good using wizards and trans compared to magplar. Magplar can proc trans for everyone in a huge area with one skill. Magplar also gets targetted far more than a magblade which in turn procs wizards on far more enemies. Has more survivability than a magblade and far better self and group heals. Bar path nothing you mentioned is a nightblade skill. I also disagree on the setting up of burst. Magplar doesnt sacrafice huge amounts of damage running wizards and trans compared to magblade. Power of the light, vamp bane sweeps is much faster than 5 light attack weaves plus whatever other pressure skills you use. Temp also has a great execute and a way to instantly remove snares for itself and the group. Magblade really isnt in the same league if youre soley talking about this wizards/trans build. Nor does it really compare on any other build. Sorcs can also run wizards. Have much better mobility and also have negate. Which is hands down the best group ulti in pvp. I think youre massively overrating magblade in group and solo pvp. Its a really strong duelling class but as far as openworld solo or group its behind other mag classes 1million percent.
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✭✭✭✭✭Or you don't. Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the real issues. For a very very long time, stam builds have been complaining about mag being OP because of things already mentioned such as: ranged attacks, shield stacking, bigger heals, etc. And no that's not just a sorc thing, it's just sorc is a bigger culprit. Mag also can do significantly more damage than stam. So you want everything? You have to build for it and make the sacrifices, as has been said. Remember the old saying, jack lf all trades, master of none?
Stamina builds do way more damage than Magicka... don't get me started. Not to mention that shield stacking with Harness Magicka is worse than useless against Stamina builds.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE0 -
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Please... comparing streak to dodgeroll is completely missing the point. I love how you cherry picked the stamplar example and then disregarded the rest of the post. Truth is that stamina builds need magicka and vice versa. If you don't, you will end up very limited and fragile.DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).
Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.
Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.
You've clearly never played a stamina build if you really think that magicka is not a valuable ressource.
Stamblade:
- Cloak
- Shadow Image
- Mass Hysteria
Your main CC and your main defense mechanisms are all magicka based abilities. All of these need to be used very actively. You need at least a 11k magicka pool and at least 1.1k magicka recovery or Siphoning Attacks to be successful in solo PvP. Notice how both values are almost identical to what you need in stamina as a magicka build (and Magblades often use Leeching Strikes btw).
Stamplar:
- Purify
- Restoring Focus
Also your primary defense mechanisms. Also magicka based. Also need to be applied very frequently
StamDK:
- Igneous Shield
- Hardened Armor
Your Major resistance buffs and your source of Major Mending. The latter needs to be applied very frequently considering the fact that the buff only persists while the shield is active.
Stam Sorc:
- Streak
- Dark Deal
- Crit Surge
Your mobility, your ressource management and a part of your heals are magicka costing. Needless to say, not only you must use these things very often in combat, but you also must manage your magicka pool in order to be able to manage your stamina pool.
Stam Warden:
- Green Lotus
- Shimmering Shield
- Ice Fortress
- Whatever you chose to use as a flex spot will also most likely cost magicka
You main defense against projectles, a significant part of your heals and your Major resistace buffs. Should I repeat or do you get the pattern by now?
Now keep in mind that 4 out of 5 stamina specs use Heavy armor which provides magicka sustain inherently. And keep in mind that some magicka builds also use Heavy armor which provides stamina sustain inherently.
Conclusion: play a stamina build and understand its mechanics before going onto the forums and talking about magicka/stamina balance when you don't actually know what you're talking about.
Funny because I played a stamina templar for the better of a year so yeah I know what I'm talking about. I didn't really need mana on it and when I did it was only in small amounts since I could take care of everything with my stamina. All the things you threw up there are optional for stamina builds, you can just as well use dodge roll instead of streak, or one dodge one streak for example. And I could go on but why bother? Clearly you're here to make an argument for stam builds, cause you're one and refuse the see the issue.
I play both magicka and stamina builds. Stamina is definately more easy to play imo, because you are faster and generally have more raw burst. But magicka has other advantages, because there are way more magicka abilities in the game than there are stamina abilities/morphs and they can be played more effectively at range, while most stambuilds have to get in melee range to do any real damage. It is all about trade-offs.0 -
Sarjako✭✭✭Anyone arguing that a Stamblade has more utility than Magblade... nevermind... just nevermind.XBX1 NA
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✭✭✭✭✭No thanks, after playing a magplar and a magblade after playing stam for a long time, I would not like to use mag for breakfree and roll dodge. Magicka abilities are generally more expensive and any mag toon had he cabilites so that you don’t need to dodge roll that often. I agree immov pots are far more useful on a mag toon. But mag sorcs have streak, magplars are made to stand their ground, magblades should be kiting and constantly making their opponents move and mag DKs should be standing toe to toe. Breakfree and dodgerolling should be supplemtary to the rest of this and usually 12-15k stam is enough and easily built in.0 -
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✭What? Spending Magicka instead of stamina for those mechanics? What a profanity.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
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Insandros✭✭✭✭Yeah i'm frustrated also as Stam sorc damn it, when i run vDSA with my friends and tank last boss, my stupid 10k magika pool gets an issue when i wanna use surge to heal and undaunted's range taunt to taunt the boss... damn this game is badly designed :PEdited by Insandros on December 17, 2017 2:59AM0 -
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✭✭I main stam characters in PVP and honestly, it is rubbish that you don't need to manage your magicka on them.
On Stam Sorc, you crutch super super hard on Dark Deal and Streak for sustain and mobility, given that you lack some of the other utility that other classes have. If you run out of Magicka on a Stam Sorc, you die. And given how fast streaks cost stacks up, you can run out really fast.
Stam nightblade on the other hand loves Cloak, Shadow Image and Fear. Hell, I'm running a 14k Magicka pool with 1.2k magicka recovery on mine.
Point is, your off resource is important in PVP, regardless of what you are playing, and if you are having trouble with it, then switch up your build.
Prismatic glyphs are expensive, but even just 3 of them on your big pieces will boost your overall stat pools.
Additionally, sets like Shacklebreaker offer a great mix of stats that will work well on any class.
Finally, fix your CP. I know you want 100 Tencacity 100 Arcanist for all that magicka recovery, but you are wasting most of those points. Bump up your stam cost reduction stuff, it's amazing how much of a difference it can make.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
Stam Sorc main in Battlegrounds0