Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

If you need more then the 10k Stam pool for pve, you are doing it wrong.

I mentioned PVP above.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).

Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.

Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

If you need more then the 10k Stam pool for pve, you are doing it wrong.

For PvP, magic get huge damage shields and much larger heals then Stam does, so if you need more then the 10k or 14k with purple food, you are, again, doing it wrong.

There's no such thing as huge damage shields except maybe for sorc builds and what do those do? Last 3 seconds and after casting one after another what do you have to do? Cast them again because they expire. Also the damage shields take direct damage, all of it, there's no dodge like in dodge, they keep taking it, no miss chance. The question remains, what am I going to do with damage shields if I'm on my back on the ground waiting for the disable to wear off?

Plus why would I NEED to use purple foods to again nerf my magicka build to satisfy the stamina pool? That's what I'm saying above.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).

Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.

Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.

I would love to fight a stamsorc that only streaks every 30 seconds. Or a stamplar that only purges every 30. Or a NB that only cloaks every 30.

I main magplar. I have no mobility. I only run out of stamina if I misplay. Triglyphs, trifood, tripots all exist for a reason (and I'd much rather manage a second pool for my dodgeroll, block, and break free than go OOM in 30 seconds because they all draw from my magicka pool.

So get some mana regen, what's stopping you? I never run out of mana, in fact my stamina pool kills me due to the lack of mobility. Also if you pay attention about the 30 seconds thing I was talking about buffs, what you mentioned are not buffs.

If you need more than 3 streaks then invest in mana but 3 streaks combined with 5 dodge rolls? How's that balance since I don't have streak and only can dodge 2 times? I don't use tri pots, why would I? Using those on a magicka build is just bad. I'm better off using essence of immovability to restore health and magicka while also granting immunity. And again using all those tri foods, glyphs and whatever nerfs my mage build in favour of stamina.

Alcast wrote: »

5x Shacklebreaker 5x Amberplasm 1x DOmihaus and you will have 14k stamina with 1k stamrecovery and tons of magicka recovery.

This is besides the point. I know I can get that pool up if I want to. But even with those what will that do to my dps build? Turn it into a little puppy that can dodge roll 4 times.

Lyserus wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Plus why would I NEED to use purple foods to again nerf my magicka build to satisfy the stamina pool? That's what I'm saying above.

Imao if you think your best build should put everything into magika and then complain about being glass canon...the problem is you.

Gear,Food,Pots...they are ALL part of the build. If you don't use the best food to fit your build （in this case use tri food to increase survibility）, it's your problem.

Let's make a deal...give stam builds various range abilities, damage shields and buffs so stam builds don't need to use tri glyph to “satisfy magical need”, then we will give mag builds way to break free with mag

Really? Various range abilities? Deal, I can agree to that, maybe that way stam won't be so strong over mage builds. How will you animation cancel 4 skills next to me without me seeing them if they come from a mile away? Another nerf to magicka skills is travel time, you can see the damn thing coming at you... There it is, right mouse, blocked.

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

play a race that gets a stamina boost if you need it that much, but youire probably playing a race that gives magicka boost, classic.

So then how do you get a decent pvp dps? It seems like there is always someone, bunch of them, that have the right fix and idea for everything, by nerfing. That's what you suggested here, I should nerf my character, get him out of his role and turn him into something else just to again ,satisfy the stamina pool. So I can have that extra dodge roll but in return I won't be able to deal as much damage.

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).

Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.

Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.

You've clearly never played a stamina build if you really think that magicka is not a valuable ressource.
Stamblade:
- Cloak
- Shadow Image
- Mass Hysteria
Your main CC and your main defense mechanisms are all magicka based abilities. All of these need to be used very actively. You need at least a 11k magicka pool and at least 1.1k magicka recovery or Siphoning Attacks to be successful in solo PvP. Notice how both values are almost identical to what you need in stamina as a magicka build (and Magblades often use Leeching Strikes btw).

Stamplar:
- Purify
- Restoring Focus
Also your primary defense mechanisms. Also magicka based. Also need to be applied very frequently

StamDK:
- Igneous Shield
- Hardened Armor
Your Major resistance buffs and your source of Major Mending. The latter needs to be applied very frequently considering the fact that the buff only persists while the shield is active.

Stam Sorc:
- Streak
- Dark Deal
- Crit Surge
Your mobility, your ressource management and a part of your heals are magicka costing. Needless to say, not only you must use these things very often in combat, but you also must manage your magicka pool in order to be able to manage your stamina pool.

Stam Warden:
- Green Lotus
- Shimmering Shield
- Ice Fortress
- Whatever you chose to use as a flex spot will also most likely cost magicka
You main defense against projectles, a significant part of your heals and your Major resistace buffs. Should I repeat or do you get the pattern by now?

Now keep in mind that 4 out of 5 stamina specs use Heavy armor which provides magicka sustain inherently. And keep in mind that some magicka builds also use Heavy armor which provides stamina sustain inherently.

Conclusion: play a stamina build and understand its mechanics before going onto the forums and talking about magicka/stamina balance when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

@DanielWinterborn re-read this...

Well since you might not have been here for the great elder stamina online age. This was actually a reference to the idea of a forth resource pool. I:E non stam or magic that did that stuff.

No worries if you are a sorc you may just want to mention something about your crystal.

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).

Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.

Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.

You've clearly never played a stamina build if you really think that magicka is not a valuable ressource.
Stamblade:
- Cloak
- Shadow Image
- Mass Hysteria
Your main CC and your main defense mechanisms are all magicka based abilities. All of these need to be used very actively. You need at least a 11k magicka pool and at least 1.1k magicka recovery or Siphoning Attacks to be successful in solo PvP. Notice how both values are almost identical to what you need in stamina as a magicka build (and Magblades often use Leeching Strikes btw).

Stamplar:
- Purify
- Restoring Focus
Also your primary defense mechanisms. Also magicka based. Also need to be applied very frequently

StamDK:
- Igneous Shield
- Hardened Armor
Your Major resistance buffs and your source of Major Mending. The latter needs to be applied very frequently considering the fact that the buff only persists while the shield is active.

Stam Sorc:
- Streak
- Dark Deal
- Crit Surge
Your mobility, your ressource management and a part of your heals are magicka costing. Needless to say, not only you must use these things very often in combat, but you also must manage your magicka pool in order to be able to manage your stamina pool.

Stam Warden:
- Green Lotus
- Shimmering Shield
- Ice Fortress
- Whatever you chose to use as a flex spot will also most likely cost magicka
You main defense against projectles, a significant part of your heals and your Major resistace buffs. Should I repeat or do you get the pattern by now?

Now keep in mind that 4 out of 5 stamina specs use Heavy armor which provides magicka sustain inherently. And keep in mind that some magicka builds also use Heavy armor which provides stamina sustain inherently.

Conclusion: play a stamina build and understand its mechanics before going onto the forums and talking about magicka/stamina balance when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Funny because I played a stamina templar for the better of a year so yeah I know what I'm talking about. I didn't really need mana on it and when I did it was only in small amounts since I could take care of everything with my stamina. All the things you threw up there are optional for stamina builds, you can just as well use dodge roll instead of streak, or one dodge one streak for example. And I could go on but why bother? Clearly you're here to make an argument for stam builds, cause you're one and refuse the see the issue.

U clearly have no clue what ur talking about. This is a blatant l2p issue

DarkAedin wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

DanielWinterborn wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

This has been discussed ad naseum. Stop trying to make everything the same: managing two resource pools is central to ESO gameplay (magicka buffs/utility on stam classes, stam mechanics on magicka classes).

Making both pools cover everything would just make stam vs mag a choice of healing ward vs Vigor.

Yeah but you as a stam build use your buffs what? Once every 15-30 seconds? Plenty of time to recover the used magicka but dodge roll+break free is done one after another in one second, not to mention block and that stops your stam regen. So me with a 10k pool of stamina am done in 2 seconds with it. There's no contest here, stamina is sweet honey to stam builds but a curse and nerf for magicka classes.

You've clearly never played a stamina build if you really think that magicka is not a valuable ressource.
Stamblade:
- Cloak
- Shadow Image
- Mass Hysteria
Your main CC and your main defense mechanisms are all magicka based abilities. All of these need to be used very actively. You need at least a 11k magicka pool and at least 1.1k magicka recovery or Siphoning Attacks to be successful in solo PvP. Notice how both values are almost identical to what you need in stamina as a magicka build (and Magblades often use Leeching Strikes btw).

Stamplar:
- Purify
- Restoring Focus
Also your primary defense mechanisms. Also magicka based. Also need to be applied very frequently

StamDK:
- Igneous Shield
- Hardened Armor
Your Major resistance buffs and your source of Major Mending. The latter needs to be applied very frequently considering the fact that the buff only persists while the shield is active.

Stam Sorc:
- Streak
- Dark Deal
- Crit Surge
Your mobility, your ressource management and a part of your heals are magicka costing. Needless to say, not only you must use these things very often in combat, but you also must manage your magicka pool in order to be able to manage your stamina pool.

Stam Warden:
- Green Lotus
- Shimmering Shield
- Ice Fortress
- Whatever you chose to use as a flex spot will also most likely cost magicka
You main defense against projectles, a significant part of your heals and your Major resistace buffs. Should I repeat or do you get the pattern by now?

Now keep in mind that 4 out of 5 stamina specs use Heavy armor which provides magicka sustain inherently. And keep in mind that some magicka builds also use Heavy armor which provides stamina sustain inherently.

Conclusion: play a stamina build and understand its mechanics before going onto the forums and talking about magicka/stamina balance when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Funny because I played a stamina templar for the better of a year so yeah I know what I'm talking about. I didn't really need mana on it and when I did it was only in small amounts since I could take care of everything with my stamina. All the things you threw up there are optional for stamina builds, you can just as well use dodge roll instead of streak, or one dodge one streak for example. And I could go on but why bother? Clearly you're here to make an argument for stam builds, cause you're one and refuse the see the issue.

U clearly have no clue what ur talking about. This is a blatant l2p issue

Or maybe you don't.

Nephimana wrote: »

Mages in PvP are fine, just infused large pieces with triglyph and tri stat food and your health is really good and you have plenty of stam. My mage characters which are a healing magplar (so you know my ass is getting stunned and spammed) mag sorc and a mageblade do fine. I don't feel a disatvantage, in fact I feel a lot stronger than my stam characters because all the things so easily available to me.

Tell that to an mDK. In order to regen stamina- we have to burn more magicka. And our magicka costs are already through the roof.

This is why we have beginner magicka sorcerers . To keep forums a funny place Keep posting guys , gonna get some popcorn ^^

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