So this new event is completely designed to crap on DPS players?

Danikat · December 2017

I rarely do dungeon and even more rarely use the group finder so I'm not sure how it is normally, but it's been fine for me during this event. Earlier this evening I queued as DPS, got into a group after about 5 minutes, someone left and I was almost immediately put into another group.

Ackwalan · December 2017

Never waited more then 10 minutes on my DPS.

monktoasty · December 2017

The queue system itself is foundationally unsound and doesn't account for the dps population which is larger by far.

A better system is needed

Akrasjel · December 2017

Only 5 min wait to find a group as DPS

zaria · December 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

Enjoy your Darkshade Caverns II run. If you have to fake a role, fake a tank. Not that I recommend that, but your group might well NEED a healer.

Did Darkshade 2 yesterday with fake tank, and very add hock sorcerer healer, except it was veteran but more important it was an guild run

No way I would pug DS 2 vet, I could take my templar to heal it in guild run.
Sorc healer worked surprisingly well.

kojou · December 2017

I ran 6 DPS characters through yesterday with my guild. We just queued as all roles and blasted through the normals. If you take a level 10 with you then you will either get BC1, FG1, or SC1 and with 4 DPS the fights go so fast you won't even miss the tank.

VaranisArano · December 2017

zaria wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

Enjoy your Darkshade Caverns II run. If you have to fake a role, fake a tank. Not that I recommend that, but your group might well NEED a healer.

Did Darkshade 2 yesterday with fake tank, and very add hock sorcerer healer, except it was veteran but more important it was an guild run
No way I would pug DS 2 vet, I could take my templar to heal it in guild run.
Sorc healer worked surprisingly well.

Yeah, I've done Darkshade II with a sorc healer. All you really need is enough magicka to spam healing springs through the poison phase heal check. But if someone is not a healer queuing as one like was recommended by the person I was replying to, that's not going to be a fun fight.

Ankael07 · December 2017

Get an ice stave if youre magicka or 1h/shield if youre stamina and queue as a tank. Normal Dungeons are too easy to waste time with a tank anyway. Just make sure to taunt the bosses once in a while so pugs dont freak out all over the room when the boss follows them.

Blackbird_V · December 2017

swirve wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Make friends and just do normals.

I was a fake healer for ROM, VOM and Falkreath lol.

You should be on Santas naughty list.

Ppl like you are why for example a real healer has to tank, DPS and heal through a dng...

In a normal dungeon? If players cannot handle a DD queuing as a healer, then get good?

Normal dungeon lmfao. Things die in 2-3 hits..

zaria · December 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

Enjoy your Darkshade Caverns II run. If you have to fake a role, fake a tank. Not that I recommend that, but your group might well NEED a healer.

Did Darkshade 2 yesterday with fake tank, and very add hock sorcerer healer, except it was veteran but more important it was an guild run
No way I would pug DS 2 vet, I could take my templar to heal it in guild run.
Sorc healer worked surprisingly well.

Yeah, I've done Darkshade II with a sorc healer. All you really need is enough magicka to spam healing springs through the poison phase heal check. But if someone is not a healer queuing as one like was recommended by the person I was replying to, that's not going to be a fun fight.

Yes, fake healer and you have an serious issue. You will have serious issue if you don't kill adds and don't stack during poison too, that is true in normal too.

VaranisArano · December 2017

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Make friends and just do normals.

I was a fake healer for ROM, VOM and Falkreath lol.

You should be on Santas naughty list.

Ppl like you are why for example a real healer has to tank, DPS and heal through a dng...

In a normal dungeon? If players cannot handle a DD queuing as a healer, then get good?

Normal dungeon lmfao. Things die in 2-3 hits..

So players should get good to cover your butt? If not, you'd better be good enough to carry them no matter what.

Not all normal dungeons are built alike. I've been in Darkshade II with a perfectly decent group that still needed a healer. My smoothest runs of the whole event so far have been my two White Gold Tower runs where I had a real healer in group. Oh, and in Tempest Island, the DPS who was all "I'll carry you all, don't worry" wasn't good enough to do without my healer.

If you can guaranteed carry everyone through that dungeon without needing anyone to support you or anyone else, go for it. If you can't, get out of the way for someone who's actually going to heal.

Sixty5 · December 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

Enjoy your Darkshade Caverns II run. If you have to fake a role, fake a tank. Not that I recommend that, but your group might well NEED a healer.

Oh no, how will I survive a 2k dps dot for a small portion of the final boss fight without someone to spam breath on me.

Vigor and Harness Magicka are more than enough to survive it on vet, if you are dying to it on normal I'd say you need to adjust something on your end.

disintegr8 · December 2017

There is a reason I stick to tank or heals for solo queuing dungeons - only queued a DPS once so far this event and maybe 10-15 minute wait tops. I just started harvesting my collection of survey maps while waiting.

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Make friends and just do normals.

I was a fake healer for ROM, VOM and Falkreath lol.

You should be on Santas naughty list.

Ppl like you are why for example a real healer has to tank, DPS and heal through a dng...

In a normal dungeon? If players cannot handle a DD queuing as a healer, then get good?

Normal dungeon lmfao. Things die in 2-3 hits..

Not in a normal DLC dungeon - queuing as a fake healer is worse than queuing as a fake tank.

Raideen · December 2017

While quing as a DPS has traditionally always taken longer than a healer or tank quing for a random dungeon (regardless of the MMORPG), it should be understandable when you realize that there are more DPS looking to queue than tanks or healers.

Your best option is to get some heal talents on your magicka classes and heal it out. Its not hard and your team will be thankful for your efforts.

bhagwad · December 2017

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Make friends and just do normals.

I was a fake healer for ROM, VOM and Falkreath lol.

You should be on Santas naughty list.

Ppl like you are why for example a real healer has to tank, DPS and heal through a dng...

In a normal dungeon? If players cannot handle a DD queuing as a healer, then get good?

Normal dungeon lmfao. Things die in 2-3 hits..

What if they're not good? Then what happens? ZOS has designed the dungeon finder even for "not good" players.

You are officially lying to ZOS using a tool that they built. Liars and cheaters deserve to get banned.

Sixty5 · December 2017

bhagwad wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

swirve wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Make friends and just do normals.

I was a fake healer for ROM, VOM and Falkreath lol.

You should be on Santas naughty list.

Ppl like you are why for example a real healer has to tank, DPS and heal through a dng...

In a normal dungeon? If players cannot handle a DD queuing as a healer, then get good?

Normal dungeon lmfao. Things die in 2-3 hits..

What if they're not good? Then what happens? ZOS has designed the dungeon finder even for "not good" players.

You are officially lying to ZOS using a tool that they built. Liars and cheaters deserve to get banned.

If you aren't terrible at the game, it's pretty damn easy to solo most normal dungeons. In that case what is wrong with triple queuing. You can tank all the enemies solo, you can keep yourself healthy and you have the damage to do the dungeon.

And as with most content in the game, high damage makes things much easier than having a super tank or healer.

I mean I've been assigned healer in cradle of shadows as my magblade. Between funnel health and sap essence I kept the entire party healthy while pulling 40% of the groups dps. Am I cheating in that respect? I mean I'm running a full on DPS kit, and I'm cheesing the system for faster times, but even in one of the harder dungeons in the rotation, I am making things easier for the group.

makerofthings · December 2017

Yes. It is a DPS conspiracy.

witchdoctor · December 2017

Sixty5 wrote: »

If you aren't terrible at the game, it's pretty damn easy to solo most normal dungeons. In that case what is wrong with triple queuing. You can tank all the enemies solo, you can keep yourself healthy and you have the damage to do the dungeon.

You can comprehend, that:

Your personal skill isn't reflective of the general skill of all players; and
This complaint is about those who do not have your personal skill level

right?

If you can do as you claim, great. My only personal issue would be to see if the other 3 actually want you to do so. There are three other people in the party, after all. If no one cares, so, what, do it all Rambo.

Its the ones who cannot that are the issue. The wanna-be Rambos who think they are top tier, but in fact, are bottom rung. Those numbskulls need a good kick.

SaRuZ · December 2017

I am a magsorc DPS and queue as a tank. I only run normal dungeons doing this and I actually tank(Inner fire and ice staff on backbar) I got good at it when I ran stamsorc for awhile. So pretty much a third DPS that holds aggro, blocks and still burns them down.

Twohothardware · December 2017

I've queue'd two nights in a row as a DPS during prime time on a couple low levels and got in within a couple minutes. That's on Xbox NA.

Insandros · December 2017

i rarely hjave issues queing as DPS event or not, ok sometiems can take 5-10 minutes, but gives you time to gather mats while waiting.

sevomd69 · December 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

Enjoy your Darkshade Caverns II run. If you have to fake a role, fake a tank. Not that I recommend that, but your group might well NEED a healer.

On normal you can self heal or shield through the poison phase...no healers required...

Horowonnoe · December 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Seriously ZOS... why did group finder have to be part of it. Any DPS worth his salt knows Dungeon finder will never put him in a game, or take over an hour to do so because everybody and their dog plays DPS. It's been a longstanding issue and now you somehow thought up this brilliant event which is only good for Healers and Tanks...

Why couldn't it just be dungeons in general... why did it have to be group finder?

Op its because you havent purchased enough crown crates. The more crown crates one buys, the faster dungeon finder pops.

Didnt u know?

Bbsample197 · December 2017

im also a dps thoif it just a normal random dgn i queued for all roles and bam! just burn things down quickly and easy!

Runs · December 2017

Just find 2 other DPS, of any level, and then ask in Auridon/Stonefalls/Glenumbra for anyone lower than level 45... Boom fast easy run.

Sigtric · December 2017

I've had no problem with long waits queuing as dps during this.

Urza1234 · December 2017

Surgee wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Seriously ZOS... why did group finder have to be part of it. Any DPS worth his salt knows Dungeon finder will never put him in a game, or take over an hour to do so because everybody and their dog plays DPS. It's been a longstanding issue and now you somehow thought up this brilliant event which is only good for Healers and Tanks...

Why couldn't it just be dungeons in general... why did it have to be group finder?

You know why there is no tanks? Because most of DPS are triggerhappy fools that rush everywhere and don't wait for tanks to take control of the battlefield first. I'm a tank and my wife is a healer and when we play with friends we do great and stick to our roles. Tank goes in first, gets quick control of the battlefield dps follows and kill everything with minimal risk because tank and healer got it under control. When we go with random dps, we feel like dogs following the trigger-happy dps that turn the dungeon into a massive chaos and eventually lead to a wipe. Asking in chat to let the tank go in first doesn't help at all. Zero communication. I dare you to make a tank and try to enjoy group play with randoms. Who would want to be a tank or a healer if no one respects your job and doesn't cooperate? My only char is a pure tank and my wife's a pure healer and we're done with matchmaking. We're always willing to help people who actually try to cooperate and let us do our job though.

On a side note, we always were getting a group in the matchmaking instantly.

This is true, most Pleb DPS just rush in there so that they can spam wrecking blow on each mob individually rather than letting the tank control and pull, so the group can AoE and finish 9x faster.

I've gotten actually quite good at chain-pulling, idk if yall knows what that means here, but it means that I pull, control and CC 1 group then run to the next group before the DPS is even done killing it.
I basically leave each pack as soon as the DPS catch up to me, because I know I wont lose agro before they're done killing, and it allows me to actually do my job and group trash properly.
The only problem with this is that I'm denied loot, apparently tanks just dont get to loot if they do their job well.
I've also met complete *** who decide "alright, the tank is fast, WE'LL GO EVEN FASTER!!!!!!!" then they start using bolt escape to run ahead of me and ruin everything. Funny thing is that as soon as they decide to be *** the dungeon pace slows down because the packs arent controlled, huh, curious.

swirve · December 2017

lagrue wrote: »

Seriously ZOS... why did group finder have to be part of it. Any DPS worth his salt knows Dungeon finder will never put him in a game, or take over an hour to do so because everybody and their dog plays DPS. It's been a longstanding issue and now you somehow thought up this brilliant event which is only good for Healers and Tanks...

Why couldn't it just be dungeons in general... why did it have to be group finder?

Sadly DPS are going fake roles and screwing over others...

swirve · December 2017

Buffler wrote: »

They are normals, just queue as a healer.

I hope you wipe and ten generations of your family to come also wipe... fake healer... you are the devil.

mwo1480 · December 2017

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I'm a DPS, queued up BAM straight into a group

same here, 8chars 4days all as dps, no que longer thn a half a minut pc eu