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The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.

Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.

There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.

Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.

Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.

We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.

The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.

Lets bash some eggs.

Firstly, I love how this poster embodies every horrible aspect of this race of supremicst nutjobs.

Also. The best thing on nirn? OBJECTIVELY INCORRECT. That'd be the Imperials, who keep the damn door to hell shut, thanks very much. And had been doing so, and will do so, far after the second era is over.

The Dominion questlines have a pattern following them. Certain regions have a difficulty with the -byproducts of the heritance-, a elven supremacy movement, such as the prince geting lich-ified, and other things, and then the Dominion offers a choice: We can help you. But then we get to -own- you.

The Dominion are consistant profiteers off others misery. It is the only reason they span as far as they do. The elves are a race of worthless instigators who constantly take they're arrogance to be a calling to re-create they're golden age. But did the litteral divine powers themselves choose them to keep the door to Oblivion shut, with the Dragonfires? No. Did they do overmuch aside from constantly instigate? Not particularly.

Meanwhile, the Bosmer, and the far more badass Khajiit, who are so adept at dealing with adversity by this point they survived one of the deadliest plagues in history WHILE A WAR WAS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, The colovian invasion (While they did get help from the Altmer, I despute that it was A, anything other than a political move on the altmers part, B that they couldn't have got by without it.), bonded to them by a sense of owing them, and the fact that they dont have anymore landlocked allies.

Fun fact: If I remember correctly, the Dominion dissolves first, because the real backbone of the Dominion, the Bosmer, being the landlocked bullwark against most of the threats from the war, have they're King die, and the hiers fight over the throne enough to cause rampant instability.

Worthless. Elves.

Oh, noone is being owned by the high elves. Such concepts fit the Imperial mindset first and foremost. And the Altmer motives to save the cats may fall victim to individual bias and blatant racism, I suppose.

However, the Khajiit conscience and sense of honour did lead them to stand by the ONLY people to lift a finger when they were down and dying. Wouldnt it have been a terrible tragedy had the Altmer done as all the sorry rest did and allow for the "badass" Khajiit to go into the night and disappear?

Not it does not.

In fact the imperials have culturally the least reason to enslave others and the altmer have culturally the most, given in the merethic era it was rampant. Much like the covenant, all hey really want is peace and trade. Projection, like so many high elven fanboys.

And yes, it would have. But then again, they survived plague, and war, at the same time. They didn't need a bunch of golden idiots to render aid so they could drag them into a war.

At the very least, dont try to paint these possessive, overegotistical psyco's as saviors. They're quite the opposite.

The difference is , they may be egotistical and pompous, but at least they dont enslave, and pillage their own allies. Actions speak louder than words.

Your going to have to be more specific on that, are you talking about the empire, the covenant, and can you actually point to an instance? Because I dont remember the Covenant, or the imperials enslaving anyone.

I do remember the several instances where humans were inslaved however. By elves.

We are talking about recently. And recently the Bretons and Redguards have absolutely laid WASTE to wrothgar, on several occasions.And recently, even if slavery was made illegal by the pact argonians are still shoved into being indentured servants and in some places the slave trade thrives even with the pact, who just turns a blind eye. As for the elves you speak of, there are two instances, the Ayleids, which also enslaved lesser elves, and the snow elves who only did this because humans were literally trying to wipe them out and stealing their land.

Firstly, I'm not arguing for the pact. I dont care about the pact. To hell with the pact, the red year cannot possibly come soon enough.

Secondly. And I'ma state this real plain here.

Elves are consistantly torturers, slavers, war criminals and inhumane pricks. I would go as far as to say they are biologically driven to it, considering even the Altmer feel the need to enslave goblins. And that, is by far the least of they're infractions.

Even when it comes to other elves. The Dwemer tortured and experimented on the Falmer to the point where they turned they're souls white. That is as signifgant as anything because originally, most humanoid souls are black, and takes special, dark magic to trap them. They litterally turned the Falmer from a sentient people, to litteral savages no better inteligence wise than goblins.

As for the Nedes stealing the Falmers land, we dont actually know the details on that. We dont know what started that fight, whether it be the artifact at Sarthaal or encroachment. (As for stealing they're land, they landed there, and after a unknown incident, the nedes went to war.) Even if you would like to argue it was an invasion, I sevearly doubt the men of the merethic era would have gone to war had they're people not been slaughtered.

We also have an entirely seperate instance of this in the Left Hand elves who after living with the redguards for years, suddenly turned on them. To the point where the war required the Hoonding, which shattered ancient Yeoukda and sank it.

Now, the Altmer do this here, and in the fourth era, who's manifesto among they're own ranks is control and the purges of they're own allies. (Bosmer purges which people are killed in, for proof of that see the Bosmer's backstory in the quest 'a knife in the dark'.)

Compared to all that, across history, across racial lines....the Bretons and Redguards (Who the orcs also invaded, so it's not like there isn't blame on both sides here) are reletively tame. And considering as far as I know there's no more -big- conflict after the second era.

You seriously just ignored the word recently. I only gave you an example because you -asked- for one, but again, we are talking recently, and recently the DC and EP are beyond messed. Also, the altmer / bosmer =/= the dwemer. COMPLETELY different, the race of men have done countless awful things in the past as well, so seriously, dont act like they are all holier than thou.

But back to RECENTLY, yeah, the AD are far less evil than the other two.

Not particularly.

AD let a rogue element kill argonian children, kill civilians, cause rampant civil unrest, tried to invade the Alik'r. If I really want to go ahed and find more infractions I likely could including the Khajiiti pirates they used to sack other villages.

EP went ahed and bombed the *** out of a border village then raised the entire village to use as siege equitment.

DC, pillaged and burnt the town of Bleak Rock to the ground, along with some villages in Stonefalls.

Compared to the other two, who include insurgency, necromancy, the killing of unborn children, regular pillaging and one attempted sexual assault isn't exactly the litteral worst. It's sitll pretty damn bad and indefenseable, but compared to unborn child killing? Ehhhh.

You want to paint AD as way above the other two because they're oh so lovey dovey? Bull.

Ayrenn is the only good person in the Dominion. Everyone else is out for themselves. Everyone else has tried multiple times with drastic measures including the summoning of daedra, to stop they're involvement in the war. The altmer are being thrown into this war against they're will, so we cant even claim Ayrenn is good, considering she's a warmonger throwing her peoples lives away for her own personal crusade.

If you want to argue we are all consistanly horrible, fine. I still put fourth that DC is the most idelologically stable and willing to help the people. You want to argue AD's merit on actions? They are just as bad, if not worse. Unborn children. If you can explain that away, you are an apologist, and a good one.

But I dont bloody buy it.