Which Faction Is Considered The "Good Guys"

MythicEmperor · November 2017

House Telvanni

ak_pvp · November 2017

Dc is probably the good guy, but throughout ESO events it's EP.

DC wants a stable fair empire, trade and equality. But through the events of the game are ***. Fun fact: DC never existed before ESO. The other two factions did.

EP want autonomy of the nations, and aren't particularly as war hungry as the other factions,. They do suffer from racial prejudices more than the other alliances

AD are racists, their entire ideal is elven supremacy "because they are older." but get away with it by saying, look, I have khajiit friends, I'm not racist.

Shardan4968 · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

EvilCroc · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

AD, of course.
Wise and powerful Aldmeri culture. Adorable little bosmers and nice cat-folk as lesser and thankful allies. What can be better?

No "we were slaves, now we are allies" nonsense.
No "let's ruin Orsinium again, orcs are animals" idiotism.

Only Elves, only Light, only Auri-El!

Tasear · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

kaiage wrote: »

if you ain't red you dead!

You picked... blue...>.>

kaiage · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

Getting trolled is infuriating.

Demycilian · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.

Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.

There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.

Bam_Bam · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

JoffyToffy69 wrote: »

Queen Ayrenn is the only leader who is not a racist

She's an effete, obnoxious snob, like all Low Elves...

Bam_Bam · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

aliyavana wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Just not EP

we can all agree ep are the bad guys, esp the argonian scum

You're pretty, Elf. You'd make a nice rug.

kaiage · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

Making a humanoid skin rug is not something a nice person would do.

Keep that in mind, please.

Sotha_Sil · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

The pact is winning! we did it! we are the good side!

Shawn_PT · November 2017

Huyen wrote: »

Altho each faction has its flaws, AD will win in the end.

This doesn't make them 'good'. It just means they had the biggest zerg.

Serjustin19 · November 2017

SecretAtoz wrote: »

4th option. Imperial Legion.

I was honestly thinking the same thing. Before I saw your response. But then I honestly had another thought?.

If Imperial legion was actually good guys? Besides everyone want to take IC away from the Imperial Empire. What was the other reason for being attacked. If Imperial was good guys? I'm sure Imperial Legions did something bad. For what is hidden inside IC, cannot be seen. Unless inside.

So I really say no one are the good guys. Including Imperial. But same time everyone are also the good guys, Including the Imperial Empire. It just depends if you agree with any of there points of views. To be considered good guys or bad.

MythicEmperor · November 2017

aliyavana wrote: »

Dunmer that don't consider argonians as equals. ep are the villians since they do

I am a bit confused by your statement. Are you asserting that Pact Dunmer don't view the Argonians as equal, making them evil, or are you claiming that the Pact Dunmer are evil because they do raise the Argonians on a pedestal of perceived equality? From your later comments against Argonians, I will assume that your beliefs align with the latter interpretation. If this is the case, I applaud you for recognizing the parasite that plagues Tamriel. Many are blinded by the poison of "equality," as if every being has an equal right to freedom. Just as we slaughter the pigs and cage the birds, we also assert our supreme authority over lesser "races" (the term falsly raises the cultural status of these lizards). It is only when we realize how the Argonians take their troubles to other lands in order to strangle and steal that we can free ourselves from the bonds of ignorance. These parasites take and never give, for they have nothing to give but mud and reeds. They so graciously absolve the lands they occupy of their resources by stating themselves as the "opressed" people, gaining empathy from the weak-minded who favor emotion over power. They will never be our equals. They will always be a millennia behind. House Telvanni recognizes this, which proves them the "good" faction, although morality is such a fickle thing.

Yellow_Monolith · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

"Who will have won when the soldiers are gone?" There's no glory in war, its just something they tell the young and foolish to risk their lives

MythicEmperor · November 2017

Iccotak wrote: »

Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.

Allow me to correct this bit of misinformation. Western Vvardenfell is controlled primarily by House Redoran, who fell victim to the vicious lies of the so-called "Pact." They follow Pact law in abolishing our ancestral right to rule the weak and primitive. The east is controlled primarily by House Telvanni, who still recognizes our honored traditions. We are free from petty institutions of "equality," for we know that the only determination of right is power.

Daedric_NB_187 · November 2017

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

Well seeing as blue and yellow can't stop working together in PvP against red. I say red is good and the other 2 are bad

On Xbox NA, it is definitely Team Green vs Team Red. But during this campaign, it feels more like Team Purple vs Team Red. Yes. It's that bad.

On topic. As others have said. None of the alliances are the good guys. Just some are the lesser of the three evils. So I pick EP just because I'm part of that alliance lol. And I refuse to vote until you get the colors right in the poll.

Mudcrabjedi · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

I am a dunmer, and while I currently rep EP, Queen Ayrenn, is technically the only pure intentioned one, if a bit naïve. Dunmer are not all bad, but the slavery thing kinda spoils it for the good ones. The covenant just gives off a weird vibe to me lol. Ultimately, none of the factions are the "good guys", but certain characters in each are good. Also, it really won't matter in a few hundred years or so, because Tiber Septim FTW!

Shardan4968 · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.

Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.

There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.

Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.

Demycilian · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Shardan4968 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Demycilian wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.

Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.

There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.

Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.

Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.

We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.

The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.

Lets bash some eggs.

Dr_Ganknstein · November 2017

Argonians

Jaimeh · November 2017

I don't know about factions as a whole, but in terms of the three leaders, I think that Ayrenn (who was the youngest to boot) seemed to be more level-headed, and didn't resort to petty squabbling while discussing the Coldharbour mission in the island of Stirk.

Xoelarasizerer · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

Honestly, none of them.
All three are built upon pretty flawed unifications.

Wrothgar having it's drama with different rulers of High Rock (and Gaiden Shinji a time or two.)
The Ebonheart Pact's hilarious but necessary unity to drive out the Akaviri.
And the Dominion, what with the Altmer wanting to lead the other races whilst sitting at the top.

I do feel the most to Queen Ayrenn's ambition. But no matter her sympathies and "care" for the "lesser races" there's no true excuse for a bigoted superiority complex. It's entirely possible that Ayrenn is telling her heroes and allies sweet lies, and is deep down, just as politically corrupt and power hungry they come. I probably gave her the tragic benefit of the doubt due to her time being an adventurer, and her conclusion that the Altmer can't do everything themselves. It's also hard to doubt the authenticity in her ambition due to her apparently having crossed paths with Abnur Tharn and suffering from him (supposedly enough to spark her hatred of humans... dammit Abnur!)

All three Alliances have their flaws. There's no clear "good guy" answer. If obvious good guys is what you are seeking in ESO, then maybe the Five Companions, maybe the Undaunted.

But out of the ruling forces of the alliances, my favourite has to be the Dominion's. Emeric was fun, but Queen Ayrenn and her allies are more endearing, imo. The moment that especially sold me on Ayrenn, involved...
Grahtwood story spoiler:

That one conversation after she goes into the Orrery and shares her vision with you. Possibly more inspiring sweet lies for her dependable hero... but it made me wonder... even as someone that despises the Altmer's bigotry and superiority complex, especially an eon ahead.. that maybe her Dominion and the Altmer COULD'VE led the other races to a better future ;_;

KRBMMO · November 2017

I personally don't understand why the Bosmer, Kajit, Argonians and Redguard don't team up as the "Good Guys" and wipe out the Altmers and Dunmers are definitely the "Bad Guys". The Bretons are pretty bad, too.

Demycilian · November 2017

Aldmeri Dominion

KRBMMO wrote: »

I personally don't understand why the Bosmer, Kajit, Argonians and Redguard don't team up as the "Good Guys" and wipe out the Altmers and Dunmers are definitely the "Bad Guys". The Bretons are pretty bad, too.

Agreed on the Dunmer.

paulsimonps · November 2017

Ebonheart Pact

KRBMMO wrote: »

I personally don't understand why the Bosmer, Kajit, Argonians and Redguard don't team up as the "Good Guys" and wipe out the Altmers and Dunmers are definitely the "Bad Guys". The Bretons are pretty bad, too.

Why did you include redguards into that group???? The Redguards helped the Bretons beat down the orcs countless times to keep their race in check. The Redguards are not without sin. Khajiits, Argonians and Orcs are the 3 races in each faction that is looked down upon by all the other.

CyrusArya · November 2017

Daggerfall Covenant

There are no good guys in the politics of man and mer. Only incentives and ambition. The good guys are the docile farmers, crafters, merchants, artists, and scientists that populate all of the regions, just trying to live their lives in peace.

AlienSlof · November 2017

All of them are the bad guys. Each faction thinks the other ones are bad, therefore, all are the bad guys, evil and despicable!

BladedMischief · November 2017

Daggerfall Covenant

Every alliance has good and bad to them. Some more than others. But Daggerfall are the good guys imo.
(Totally not because they're who I fight for)

Doctordarkspawn · November 2017

Daggerfall Covenant

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Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.

Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.

This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.

Reezal-Jul = Montclair House

Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion

You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.

I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.

Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.

Look to your own sins.

Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.

But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.

Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.

There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.

Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.

Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.

We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.

The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.

Lets bash some eggs.

Firstly, I love how this poster embodies every horrible aspect of this race of supremicst nutjobs.

Also. The best thing on nirn? OBJECTIVELY INCORRECT. That'd be the Imperials, who keep the damn door to hell shut, thanks very much. And had been doing so, and will do so, far after the second era is over.

The Dominion questlines have a pattern following them. Certain regions have a difficulty with the -byproducts of the heritance-, a elven supremacy movement, such as the prince geting lich-ified, and other things, and then the Dominion offers a choice: We can help you. But then we get to -own- you.

The Dominion are consistant profiteers off others misery. It is the only reason they span as far as they do. The elves are a race of worthless instigators who constantly take they're arrogance to be a calling to re-create they're golden age. But did the litteral divine powers themselves choose them to keep the door to Oblivion shut, with the Dragonfires? No. Did they do overmuch aside from constantly instigate? Not particularly.

Meanwhile, the Bosmer, and the far more badass Khajiit, who are so adept at dealing with adversity by this point they survived one of the deadliest plagues in history WHILE A WAR WAS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, The colovian invasion (While they did get help from the Altmer, I despute that it was A, anything other than a political move on the altmers part, B that they couldn't have got by without it.), bonded to them by a sense of owing them, and the fact that they dont have anymore landlocked allies.

Fun fact: If I remember correctly, the Dominion dissolves first, because the real backbone of the Dominion, the Bosmer, being the landlocked bullwark against most of the threats from the war, have they're King die, and the hiers fight over the throne enough to cause rampant instability.

Worthless. Elves.