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Which Faction Is Considered The "Good Guys"
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Who is she allied with? Khajiits.GrumpyDuckling wrote: »Aldmeri Dominion 100%
Queen Ayrenn enters The Orrery in Elden Root and emerges having seen a vision of peace. It's all explained as part of the main quest in Grahtwood.
What are Khajiits? Smugglers and drug lords.
What are the Khajiit famous for? Skooma. Which is a highly addictive narcotic.
What does Ayrenn in the Orrery? She claims to have visions of the future.
How Ayrenn had those vision is a mistery. But we know drugtards lie.
Don't get fooled by the Dominion, se wants to enslave them all again."Yesterday while searching a barrel in vVoM I found a lemon. Best drop of the whole run."
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"Glory is a fools prize. Honor of no use to the dead"Cactus316000 wrote: »"Who will have won when the soldiers are gone?" There's no glory in war, its just something they tell the young and foolish to risk their lives
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✭✭Ebonheart PactAfter playing the the storylines of all 3 I would have to say that the EP is the least evil and therefore technically the best.
We have the Covenant invasion of Bleakrock, Bal Foyen and Stonefalls, raising of the dead by General Serian to fight again when the Pact allowed then to gather their fallen. We also have the orcs attacking Deshaan under the specific orders of King Kurog. And the whole High Kings brother arc.
As for the Dominion, well we have skinchangers and egg killers in Shadowfen, all well dodgy stuff.
Not that the EP are spotless but using Prisoners of War as slave labour ranks pretty low amongst what the other factions have done. Yes I'm not forgetting working with the Veiled Inheritance that one time in Auridon.Edited by Hurbster on November 19, 2017 8:47PMSo they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.2 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.
Reezal-Jul = Montclair House
Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion
You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.
I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.
Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.
Look to your own sins.
Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.
But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.
Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.
There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.
Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.
Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.
We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.
The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.
Lets bash some eggs.
Firstly, I love how this poster embodies every horrible aspect of this race of supremicst nutjobs.
Also. The best thing on nirn? OBJECTIVELY INCORRECT. That'd be the Imperials, who keep the damn door to hell shut, thanks very much. And had been doing so, and will do so, far after the second era is over.
The Dominion questlines have a pattern following them. Certain regions have a difficulty with the -byproducts of the heritance-, a elven supremacy movement, such as the prince geting lich-ified, and other things, and then the Dominion offers a choice: We can help you. But then we get to -own- you.
The Dominion are consistant profiteers off others misery. It is the only reason they span as far as they do. The elves are a race of worthless instigators who constantly take they're arrogance to be a calling to re-create they're golden age. But did the litteral divine powers themselves choose them to keep the door to Oblivion shut, with the Dragonfires? No. Did they do overmuch aside from constantly instigate? Not particularly.
Meanwhile, the Bosmer, and the far more badass Khajiit, who are so adept at dealing with adversity by this point they survived one of the deadliest plagues in history WHILE A WAR WAS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, The colovian invasion (While they did get help from the Altmer, I despute that it was A, anything other than a political move on the altmers part, B that they couldn't have got by without it.), bonded to them by a sense of owing them, and the fact that they dont have anymore landlocked allies.
Fun fact: If I remember correctly, the Dominion dissolves first, because the real backbone of the Dominion, the Bosmer, being the landlocked bullwark against most of the threats from the war, have they're King die, and the hiers fight over the throne enough to cause rampant instability.
Worthless. Elves.
Oh, noone is being owned by the high elves. Such concepts fit the Imperial mindset first and foremost. And the Altmer motives to save the cats may fall victim to individual bias and blatant racism, I suppose.
However, the Khajiit conscience and sense of honour did lead them to stand by the ONLY people to lift a finger when they were down and dying. Wouldnt it have been a terrible tragedy had the Altmer done as all the sorry rest did and allow for the "badass" Khajiit to go into the night and disappear?0 -
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✭Ebonheart PactDemycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.
Reezal-Jul = Montclair House
Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion
You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.
I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.
Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.
Look to your own sins.
Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.
But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.
Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.
There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.
Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.
Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.
We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.
The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.
Lets bash some eggs.
I'm not Skyrim kid to hate Altmers because 4th Era, but it's just obvious that Altmers from 2th era are also acting like they think of themselves as master race, they just need some time to get more radical. When you tell someone in his/her youth that once his/her race were gods, then it's not hard to create racists, it's in their veins. And there was much about Heritance after Estre (Greenshade) and many of them propably fled and spread their ideology elsewhere in Summerset Isles (We saw only story from Auridon). Honestly, I'm also a bit disappointed of story from Shadowfen, simply because it's my favourite province and the story was kinda boring, but it is canon now and proves that Dominion is not a "good guys".PC/EU1 -
Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionHa ha almost even split. Interesting.
I picked AD because Ayrenn and kitty people and adorable cannibal Bosmers.3 -
KRBMMO✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »I personally don't understand why the Bosmer, Kajit, Argonians and Redguard don't team up as the "Good Guys" and wipe out the Altmers and Dunmers are definitely the "Bad Guys". The Bretons are pretty bad, too.
Why did you include redguards into that group???? The Redguards helped the Bretons beat down the orcs countless times to keep their race in check. The Redguards are not without sin. Khajiits, Argonians and Orcs are the 3 races in each faction that is looked down upon by all the other.
I guess just the quests I remember in Alakir seems to be more of a morality that I recognize and I knew the Bretons invaded the Orcs, but I didn't know it was also the Redguard.
Basically I was looking at how the quests in the zones felt to me and my interactions with NPC's. Most the time when a quest involves an Altmer or Dunmer I'm thinking "screw this pompous jerk".0 -
Demycilian✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionShardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »Shardan4968 wrote: »LadyNalcarya wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
This.
People always seem to forget that even that quest isnt all that one-sided. For example, we meet a khajiit soldier who didnt want to follow Ruuvitar's orders (and she is telling the truth, you can find notes about her).
Of course, what Ruuvitar did is a war crime. And for many people its "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of deal, but in TES lore, pretty much all factions are involved in something bad. For example, we meet a lot of power-hungry Imperials who would bargain with daedra and do horrible things... But that doesnt mean that all Imperials are bad. There's even an Argonian villain, we meet him during Rivenspire questline. Does that mean that all of them are evil? I dont think so.
Reezal-Jul = Montclair House
Ruvitaar = Aldmeri Dominion
You won't tell me that soldiers called "Dominion soldiers" aren't figting for the dominion. They knew Ruuvitar's plans and they didn't protested. I would say that this khajiit was just other than the rest of the Dominon. There was no Ruvitaar at Hatching pools, there was Dominion army making sure no argonian will hatch. You could hear bosmer soldier there questioning general's orders to slaughter innocents, but If there were many like him, why they didn't oppose? He just said it was wrong, but he did nothing to prevent that. Yeah, not all imperials are bad, rebels fighting with Imperial Legion are good, but there were no Dominion rebels in Shadowfen, only soldiers following their orders. They are responsible for everything they did and trying to do.
I dont think the cat was an outlying opinion. Questing through the camps will bring you upon diaries or letters of sorts in which Altmer soldiers express their concerns and disgust about whats happening and how they want to return home asap. Its been more than two years since i did the Shadowfenn, so details are a bit dim. Also, i doubt a soldier of the line would have know what was actually happening.
The point being how the quests provide ample evidence to lead us to assume there isnt much support for the AD raid into Shadowfenn. If you care to look at it, that is.
Btw, I dont remember any such evidence of disapproval about the necromantic stunt of DC in EP or the Dunmer slavers fretting about those poor, poor Bretons they are capturing. Or the Rowada slaughtering civilians in Auridon. Little regret among the DC Orcs that do some horrible things to the dark elves of Deshaan to gain favour with good Kurog, iirc. And so on.
Look to your own sins.
Oh yeah, I remember those dunmeri slavers from house Telvanni who don't belong to Ebonheart Pact. And If Aldmeri soldiers of the line don't realise that Argonian they just killed was an unarmed keeper from hatching pools and those exploding eggs were carrying little argonians, then I wouldn't call them good. Maybe Dominion is truly using mindless army blindly following orders. If they would revolt against generals, Ayreen would aprove this right? So why they didn't? Because they are evil or the queen is evil. Few necromancers don't equal attempt to destroy whole race. People who say that Aldmeri Dominion is only "good" faction are using an argument about Ayreen and the Orrery, but half of Altmeri population are racists and supremacists even If they don't embrace it in public in fear of being arrested. Queen's vision from the Orrery wouldn't come true with their ideology. She is just naive girl who think that it's ok to forget about her duties as princess by travelling across Tamriel and then just come back and take her brother's right to rule, because she got bored.
But surely you dont think that only military personell is being killed during the raids that take place all over Tamriel? That children and women are spared? Not sure why some are so concerned by the hatching pools of Shadowfenn.
Plus, im having a hard time remembering ingame examples of this alleged wide spread Altmer racism in ESO. To me the high elven lore suggests them to be mostly isolationists/traditionalists. Tho I do remember how the oppressed of DC and EP seek refuge with the Dominion. Despite its many faults AD is still the most civilized of all alliances, and those Argonian and Orc refugees seem to know it. Colour me surprised.
There is no question which alliance is mostly good aligned.
Do you think that Veiled Heritance was completely destroyed only because vestige killed their leaders? Do you remember achievement called "Peacemaker"? To get him you need to experience Bosmer arguing with Altmer. The High Elf said that Wood Elfs should bow to their Altmeri leaders and they would be all dead If not for Altmers. Ideology where one race should live under someone's boot is not traditionalism, it's racism. That Altmer wasn't from Veiled Heritance, which means there are many like him up there in Summerset Isles. Argonian "refugees" just don't want to fight side by side with their former slavers. Ebonheart Pact is military alliance forged by war to save Tamriel from Akaviri. Aldmeri Dominion is alliance which gives Altmers opportunity to rule over other races of Tamriel. Imagine Aldmeri Dominion without Queen Ayreen. There aren't many High Elfs considering themselves equal with Khajiits and Bosmers. If you aren't concerned about Dominion killing little Argonians at Hatching Pools without a fight, just slaughtering them then I don't think that you are suppose to call anyone "good guys". There is no question that Aldmeri Dominion is the most evil alliance.
Two mer bickering over who owes what to whom for whatever military interventionism is a far cry from racist displays. Mostly because its lacking any display of racial slander or downtalking? More like one party being mindful that there is reason to be grateful and the other being the usual complicated Bosmer in denial and a pain in the *cupcake*.
To me this all seems more like an unfounded stereotype which has taken root because its easier to blurt nonsense in concert and because some folks are butthurt over Skyrim/Talos cultists getting a proper kick in the nuts.
We do not know of any VH significance after Estre has been dealt with and we dont know how the majority of Altmer feel about the cats and woodelves. My guess is they will, out of habit, act like they are the most important feature of Nirn. As they should. Because they are. And be otherwise not hostile or overly harmful in intend. In fact, there is the Reapers March questline that implies the positive impact of Bosmer and especially cats on the high elves and how it makes them more appreciative and outwardlooking.
The AD forces werent really slaughtering little Argonians. There were eggs and i doubt anyone had an idea what was happening. Personally, I thought it was a poor story and a crude and confuddling attempt to make the Dominion appear particularly ghastly. For no real reason.
Lets bash some eggs.
I'm not Skyrim kid to hate Altmers because 4th Era, but it's just obvious that Altmers from 2th era are also acting like they think of themselves as master race, they just need some time to get more radical. When you tell someone in his/her youth that once his/her race were gods, then it's not hard to create racists, it's in their veins. And there was much about Heritance after Estre (Greenshade) and many of them propably fled and spread their ideology elsewhere in Summerset Isles (We saw only story from Auridon). Honestly, I'm also a bit disappointed of story from Shadowfen, simply because it's my favourite province and the story was kinda boring, but it is canon now and proves that Dominion is not a "good guys".
Yea, well, no. Its not obvious that the 2nd era Altmer are acting like that at all. Thats the point. Were is the evidence of it? Outside of the VH antagonists ive never observed an Altmer calling someone an inferior being.
Altmer will be told how they can look forward to live a thousand years or more, have magic at their fingertips, be extra smart and highly resistant to diseases, since they are highborn. Now, this may trigger jealousy and a sense of inferiority from some quarters, but it didnt lead all Altmer into being racist daedra cultists aka VH. The truth is that Auridon quests paint a contrasting picture. One in which the Altmer themselves suffer the most from this group of radicals. Another truth is that once the VH got kicked out of the Thalmor academy the new staff sings quite a different tune for Khajiit and Bosmeri students.
The game supports none of this.
Greenshade still ties back into the schemes of Estre that plays out after her defeat and doesnt draw on an independant Altmer general culture of supremacy/racism.1 -
victoriana-blue✭✭✭✭Where are my Undaunted and Thieves Guild options?
ESO's TG has a definite Robin Hood kind of vibe to it, and the Undaunted want to fight dangerous things who, in turn, want to destroy man & mer alike. Pretty uncomplicated, as such things go.Edited by victoriana-blue on November 19, 2017 9:49PMCP 750+
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Iccotak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ebonheart PactThese colors on the voting poll don't match the actual factions.
EP is Red.
DC is Blue.
Anyway, EP is fighting for freedom. for each culture to have the right to be left to its businesses and not get involved in others. The only purpose of capturing the throne is to maintain peace NOT to go about conquering everybody.
This is why the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.
Vvardenfel is not part of the Ebonheart Pact. They refused to join. So they still have Slavery.
The Dominion are the guys who want to enslaver everyone under High Elf rule.
The Covenant are the guys who want to establish the second empire and put a universal economic peace throughout Tamriel (if I'm wrong about DC then let me know)
Edit for sleepiness.
Even if it is " illegal " in the EP, they literally give the argonians slave work and force them to live in mud holes, and discrimination is everywhere.
Um, no they don't force them to live in mud holes. The argonians prefer to live closer to the mud. They literally moved next to the city just to have a base of operations. Otherwise they do not much care for dark elf homes and cities.
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✭✭✭✭Ebonheart PactDemycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
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Demycilian✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionDemycilian wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Demycilian wrote: »The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.
Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.
There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.
Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.
Technically speaking its no longer part of the Dominion, seeing how that expedition went rogue. It is no longer permissable to judge the faction by its example.
They did it in the name of the Dominion. Its still part of the faction
Some of them, maybe. Begs the question of what the Dominion would have to say to that. I can see Ayrenn being unhappy with the results. If i were the Head of Foreign Relations AD guy i would have all their heads on a wall. Sending a somewhat peaceful species to their graves is bad for image and could have negative consequences. Again, this all seems like an operation not going as planned (and really like one of the worst ESO stories).0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionDc is probably the good guy, but throughout ESO events it's EP.
DC wants a stable fair empire, trade and equality. But through the events of the game are ***. Fun fact: DC never existed before ESO. The other two factions did.
EP want autonomy of the nations, and aren't particularly as war hungry as the other factions,. They do suffer from racial prejudices more than the other alliances
AD are racists, their entire ideal is elven supremacy "because they are older." but get away with it by saying, look, I have khajiit friends, I'm not racist.
Did you play the AD story at all? They fight the racists that are the veiled heritance2 -
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✭Ebonheart PactTheShadowScout wrote: »
"Glory is a fools prize. Honor of no use to the dead"Cactus316000 wrote: »"Who will have won when the soldiers are gone?" There's no glory in war, its just something they tell the young and foolish to risk their lives
(Kudos to those who know whose quote this is )
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Khaeon✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionI did not include Imperial as a faction because when you create one you have to choose one of those 3 factions. Also I had no idea what the colors would be which is why DC and EP are opposite colors0 -
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✭✭✭The arbitrary "Good Guys" side in any fictional universe, or in popular perception of non-fictional happenings, is defined by your own personal values as a person. There is no ultimate "Good" after a certain requirement is met for the majority of the community.
Examine your own personal morals, and try to understand the actions and rationale behind the three opposing forces.
See if you can figure out which is truly "Good".0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ebonheart PactI'm disregarding the Dunmer and their irritating need to enslave others here.
The Pact is the only Alliance born out of a mutual desire to survive against a common threat, that being the recent Akaviri Invasion. King Jorunn, the Nord and Argonians are portrayed as genuinely "good" people only wanting the betterment of their livelihoods through cooperation. (we just don't talk about the Dunmer...)
The Covenant, equally beneficial under King Emeric, however their aims are squarely on securing the Imperial City for themselves, which make them Warmongers and Invaders first and foremost. The Dominion are just the same but worse, considering the Altmer are just like the Dunmer, raised to believe none of the other Races are equal to them, and that the Bosmer and Khajiit should be grateful to be subjugated under the Eagle Banner.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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kaiage✭✭✭Ebonheart PactIt happened. We can't take it back. We can't censer, we can't erase it. Do you want us to lie to you again? Get over it.an anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
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✭✭✭Daggerfall CovenantCovenant. Out of the three colors blue is the one most associated with calm and goodness.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Daggerfall Covenant is probably committing the biggest atrocities. Not by our standards but by that of the land and societies within Tamriel.
For the Ebonheart Pacts sins:
Slavery is a pretty big no-no for us and even for most Humans and Mer in Tamriel (which is weird that the Nords are looking the other way for Breton Slaves when they put their foot down for Argonians). But its something that is a known when it comes to Dunmer. No one is shocked to see Dunmer throwing irons on other races.
For the Aldmeri Dominions sins:
Honestly no one besides Argonians and their sympathizers are going to really care that there are less of them around now. Its unfortunate but in Tamriel the beastfolk are afterthoughts when it comes to things like rights. All across Tamriel there is evidence that Men and Mer could careless when Khajiit, Argonians and Orcs are being massacred or strugging in some manner.
Daggerfall Covenants sins:
The Daggers cross a serious line in Tamrielic societies. Raising the dead. Ancestor worship, honoring the dead, warding the dead against necromancy are all common place across all of the races in Tamriel. The act of raising the dead is seen as the act of someone with dark intentions and possible ties to Daedra. Its a huge no-no and they do it blatantly in an attempt to slow down the inevitable defeat after their failed invasion of Stonefalls. All the other sins can easily be forgotten or overlooked when people have to worry that their poor dead grandma needs to be put down because some Breton Necromancer reanimated her corpse.Edited by Korah_Eaglecry on November 20, 2017 6:16AMPenniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
CyborgPlatypus✭✭✭Ebonheart PactEP. Because they banded together to stop the other two factions from ruling over them. The Argonians just want to be left alone.1
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CardboardedBox✭✭✭✭None. In daggerfall the Bretons and redguards routinely attack the orcs, in ebonhart the dark elves hate and enslaved the generally peaceful argonians, and in aldmeri the high elves think they're thee one and only, best race in the universe.
They all have flaws. I think the only way any group could be remotely considered "the good guys" is maaaaybe if the orcs, wood elves, and argonians were teamed together. And even then they still wouldn't be perfectly innocent.0 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭Ebonheart PactDunmer that don't consider argonians as equals. ep are the villians since they do
Oh sorry so you consider the Veiled Heritance not being part of Altmers? They treat Khajiit's and Bosmers even worse than slaves would be treated.Edited by Jamdarius on November 20, 2017 12:39PM1 -
Storymaster✭✭✭✭✭Daggerfall CovenantWhy, the Daggerfall Covenant, of course. *wink wink*
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✭✭✭Aldmeri DominionCardboardedBox wrote: »None. In daggerfall the Bretons and redguards routinely attack the orcs, in ebonhart the dark elves hate and enslaved the generally peaceful argonians, and in aldmeri the high elves think they're thee one and only, best race in the universe.
They all have flaws. I think the only way any group could be remotely considered "the good guys" is maaaaybe if the orcs, wood elves, and argonians were teamed together. And even then they still wouldn't be perfectly innocent.
The difference is, ep and dc put actions to their bigotry, AD may be pompous and stuck up, but those are just words.Edited by Jade1986 on November 20, 2017 12:39PM0 -
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✭Daggerfall CovenantI gotta say Daggerfall...AD was my first character and EP my second, but I have never felt quite at home as I am with a DC character
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