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Why are you locking an event behind forced grouping?
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✭✭✭✭✭driosketch wrote: »It's not forced grouping, it's incentivized grouping.
This. As someone who only solos & doesn't do dungeons... meh, big deal. There's pvp-centric events that I don't do either. Not every event caters to every playstyle. That's life, deal with it.4 -
kaiage✭✭✭cringe. either a word I don't know or a typo.an anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
"there's a dragon with matches, that's loose on the town..."
"it's no easy road, this struggle and strife... we find ourselves, in the show of life" - tab @ the tab
If you've been fallen by my steel or blade - sorry there's no tomorrow for yeh!
Kidding;) don't take it so bad, I've been doing this a long time0 -
kaiage✭✭✭Damnit, you made me learn something. /angryan anonymous EP nightblade and Templar...
also; a warden and nightblade of the aldmeri flavour.
"there's a dragon with matches, that's loose on the town..."
"it's no easy road, this struggle and strife... we find ourselves, in the show of life" - tab @ the tab
If you've been fallen by my steel or blade - sorry there's no tomorrow for yeh!
Kidding;) don't take it so bad, I've been doing this a long time0 -
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This, the same way the transmute crystals is most efficient farmed in PvP with trials as an secondary.driosketch wrote: »It's not forced grouping, it's incentivized grouping.
And no random normal dungeons is not hard.
A random dungeon each day is also an very fast way leveling up, they tend to give a level with the dungeon quest.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭JamieAubrey wrote: »Ooh this is news to me, also some normal delves can be solo'd, I'm looking at you FG 1
Yeah, if it required just running a dungeon that'd be fine.Tying it to dungeon finder however means group or no soup.
yep, this is the part that gave me pause, personaly. mind you - i have done random dungeons before - leveled my templar through them in fact, so I can get through this event ok, via combination of full on pugging and running some of the dungeons with my guildies (yes, I'm going to attempt this on more then one character per day) .
but it still kinda sucks that it specifically requires groupfinder and what's more - it requires random group finder. which means that DLC dungeons are very likely and honestly? I'm not at all a fan of those things. personaly. but random is random
so I feel you OP, even if the "its an MMO, group or gtfo" gloating contingent - does not.
would MUCH rather this was tied to quests in general. so could be soloed. OR allow to do specific dungeons rather then random (and before the - why do it on more then one character and low level characters don't get DLC dungeons - I have high level characters. and while extra entry into sweepstakes is one a day, the box of mystery is one per day per character)
dear ZOS. pushing people into content they do not enjoy by trying to entice them with shinies, doesn't make those people enjoy the content. they either force their way through it, ruining the fun for people who actualy enjoy the content in a process. or they get fed up and leave.
This is a common tactic most other MMO's use. WoW gives you extra rewards for queuing as tank or healer, for example.
Like I said, you don't like grouping up, then don't. No one's saying you have to group. BUT...if you want to earn the reward, you'll do what needs to be done to earn it. In this case, it's joining a dungeon finder group. If you're not willing to do that, how have you earned the reward?
We just had a event that was largely able to be solo'ed in the Witches event. Now, it's time for a group event. Not everything in a MMO is, or should be, solo friendly. As much as you're trying to bag on "its a mmo, group or gtfo" thing, you are doing the same thing from a solo perspective.
There is a middle ground, and that means not everything is going to be for everyone. And if it's not for you, you miss out on the reward.
Again, that's your choice, and that's the fair thing to do.
my biggest problem is random requirement. if you could get away with specific dungeons, even would be more flexible
but I'll be fine. i LIKE running dungeons. I'm even no longer too worried about random pugs anymore, at least on normal. I just get where OP is coming from. and my last sentence is very much sound. whenever game companies try to "incentivize" players into doing content they don't normally enjoy.. it almost never ends well. are people forgetting the frustration of running with those in pvp who really don't want to be there and are only there to get their vigor and caltrops, or that 50 kill minimum? its not really fun for anyone involved. and it does drive people away. but zos is dangling a particularly juicy bait here - crown store items. so its going to be a week of getting stuck with not even people who are not very good, but people who are actively resentful - in your groups. unless of course you run solely with your friends. I have to say, I'm just a tad jealous of anyone with flexible enough schedule to be able to do that every day for a week.drkfrontiers wrote: »I was rather disappointed by the format of this sweepstakes..
A lot of people are excluded due to the country of their residency.
Why not have something in-game EVERYONE can enjoy.
From what I understand the IN-GAME DUNGEON EVENT also has restrictions applied? Am I wrong or can everyone participate?
in game dungeon event has no restrictions. because its not gambling, but rather an extra quest reward type thing (they are adding a box to first random of the day reward) - its not subject to any gambling laws. so if you want to queue up and go for it? you absolutely can.dirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Have been addressing the issue of this contest with my counsellor,
would like to participate, but anxiety conditions make it exceedingly difficult to consider
but. in its nature, the dungeon finder is a solo-player tool
it exists so that individuals who prefer not to group are able to get a group to clear content
without having to interact with others beyond the activity
As far as potential limitations on the event
one that temporarily requires players to use a social grouping tool is relatively innocuous
it is not even required to speak to the other players in the group"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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swippy✭✭✭✭✭Why are you locking an event behind forced grouping?
i think it's because they want to encourage grouping. it would make sense.
random dungeon grouping is an underused tool available to nearly every player. remember when they did the (not Midyear Mayhem) AP event, as a way to motivate players to help realistically stress-test the servers so they can gather data as to what's making Cyrodiil so difficult to run for some people? y'know how there are also lots of complaints about the random dungeon grouping tool? i see a parallel.
i know the Bitterness Society will love to point out that that old problem isn't perfectly resolved to their standards, but it's probably not an easy problem to fix. if it was, it's been long enough that the community would have volunteered the solution by now, but we know they've been working it for months. now they're tackling another big one one. that's good for us.
maybe the dungeon grouping fix starts hardcore next week, because previous data didn't explicate the issue. better than never. when a problem is fully understood by all parties, and the devs outright refuse to aquiesce to the playerbase for the sake of their vision, and then the vision is bad, games die.
that won't be the case here. this looks like an effort to do something for us. if i'm wrong, then it's just a bunch of free gifts that you've been playing fine without. if you're mad that the free peppermint candies in the dish aren't butterscotch, feel free to walk out. less lag on the server for me3 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If you guys enjoy grouping, then by all means, keep grouping. Does it in any way hurt your experience if solo players are allowed to solo? Does it somehow devaluate the fun you are having in your group?
I can understand PvP crowd wanting some fresh ballista fodder, but what does PvE crowd gain by being random-grouped with newbies who are only in for the event? What would you gain by being grouped with someone who's been running around in broken level 9 gear for the entire game, or with someone who has no idea how to dodge, or with someone who brought no pots and comsumables, or with someone who has reaction time of a Galapagean tortoise? It will only ruin their day - and yours. They don't want to play with you anyway, so why not let them play alone?
Also... Funny how everybody says things like "It's a MMO, so you should play with other people," but nobody ever says "It's a MMORPG, so you should be roleplaying."
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✭✭but it still kinda sucks that it specifically requires groupfinder and what's more - it requires random group finder. which means that DLC dungeons are very likely and honestly? I'm not at all a fan of those things. personaly. but random is random
I've run one random normal a day since not long after the CWC update dropped, queued as a tank. In that time, I've had CoS, RoM, and ICP 0 times, WGT once (it was the pledge that day), Bloodroot Forge once, and Falkreach twice (those were probably also the pledge but I wasn't paying attention). 4 out of about 25 doesn't seem to be too bad a ratio.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »...
Also... Funny how everybody says things like "It's a MMO, so you should play with other people," but nobody ever says "It's a MMORPG, so you should be roleplaying."
The group finder players to decide on and adhere to a specific role for the duration of the dungeon "If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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T4T2FR34K✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »but the snark wasn't needed.
Excuse me? Maybe refrain from projecting.
"....or am I the only one who thinks logically?"
Not snark?
No projection.
I think there are MANY was to read things...you read it as you perceived it...not as it was intended...projection.0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »but the snark wasn't needed.
Excuse me? Maybe refrain from projecting.
"....or am I the only one who thinks logically?"
Not snark?
No projection.
I think there are MANY was to read things...you read it as you perceived it...not as it was intended...projection.
Uh huh.
Well have a good one, I'll just be over here..."projecting".
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✭✭✭✭✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »If you guys enjoy grouping, then by all means, keep grouping. Does it in any way hurt your experience if solo players are allowed to solo? Does it somehow devaluate the fun you are having in your group?
Who's saying you can't solo? You can, of course. But the rewards for this event is for running group content. So, if you want the reward group up. If not, then you don't have to. It doesn't bother me. That means you don't get the box, though. So, it doesn't hurt my experience at all. Why you think you should get a reward for not running the content that gives the reward, though, is the better question.
It's like saying you should get a Maelstrom weapon on a quest...it's just silly.
If you don't do the content, no matter what your reason is, you don't get the shinny. This isn't as complex as people are trying to make it.Edited by Kel on November 19, 2017 5:51PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
This is a massively multiplayer online (the MMO part) so I am not surprised Zos would have an event that involved some grouping.
It is probably in their best interest to encourage some grouping since players are more likely to play the game longer if they get involved with other players. The same reason Zos has 4 man dungeons and 12 man trials.2 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Isn't this a perfect example of how toxic the forums have become.....
Someone states their opinion
The hate machine must destroy him, because simple disagreements are for the weak.
@ZOS_MattFiror It's pretty obvious that we need a community management revamp, you might want to take a look how Arenanet and Square Enix handles their forum communities, because this situation is only going to get worse.Edited by Balamoor on November 19, 2017 5:52PM2 -
eklhaftb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭If you don't do the content, you don't get the shinny.
Well yes, you're stating an obvious fact here. But that's exactly what the original poster was asking about: WHY is this particular shiny being locked behind this particular content. Hardly anybody bothered actually responding to that question, instead we got straight three pages of "fall in or fall out" talk.
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Isn't this a perfect example of how toxic the forums have become.....
Someone states their opinion
The hate machine must destroy him, because simple disagreements are for the weak.
@ZOS_MattFiror It's pretty obvious that we need a community management revamp, you might want to take a look how Arenanet and Square Enix handles their forum communities, because this situation is only going to get worse.
Or...get this...someone has a different opinion.
He has the right to his opinion. Just like I have the right to disagree with it.
As long as it doesn't break down into name calling or mudslinging, it's ok to disagree. It's healthy, even.
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✭Stovahkiin wrote: »“We don’t even use the term MMO with The Elder Scrolls Online anymore, because really it’s not,” game director Matt Firor says. “MMO was a term coined in 1997 with Ultima Online, EverQuest, and Dark Age of Camelot – we are not that game.”
https://www.pcgamesn.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-tamriel-unlimited/the-elder-scrolls-online-MMORPG
Go look at the basic definition of MMO...
M - Massively
M - Multiplayer
O - Online
ESO is, arguably, massive.
ESO is obviously multiplayer..
ESO is online....
To be frank, Firor was pulling crap out of thin air when he said that.
D - Download
L - Load
C - Content.
What is download load content?
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Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »If you don't do the content, you don't get the shinny.
Well yes, you're stating an obvious fact here. But that's exactly what the original poster was asking about: WHY is this particular shiny being locked behind this particular content. Hardly anybody bothered actually responding to that question, instead we got straight three pages of "fall in or fall out" talk.
I've seen various reasons. Encouraging using the group finder/group content is the best one I've seen. Not just putting rewards behind one type of activity is another. There have been plenty. Maybe not the answer you are particularly looking for, so it seems you are dismissing them. That doesn't change the fact that they are there..Edited by Kel on November 19, 2017 6:05PM0 -
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✭✭✭Most if not all of the events so far haven't required a group. This one requiring one is fine. This is an MMO after all.Unfortunate magicka warden main.
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Fairweather Friends
Retired to baby bgs forever. Leave me alone.1 -
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Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
GiggleGoat✭✭✭✭I think the whole point of this is to encourage people to start doing group content.
Many people who are afraid now of doing it, and joining groups will give it a try and some of them will probably like it because pve group content is actually much more fun and chalanging than solo.
I'm one of these peeps
excited for the event and been trying to get my toon tank-ready! 1 -
Rainraven✭✭✭✭✭https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/10millionstoriesEvent is live from Nov. 30 at 10 a.m. EST until Dec. 6 at 10 a.m. EST. Complete a random dungeon via the Dungeon Finder – Normal or Veteran mode – to earn a Mysterious Reward Box. This curious cache could contain loads of awesome in-game rewards: consumables, pets, costumes, and even a massive collection of super rare mounts and houses. You can obtain a Mysterious Reward Box once per day per character.
You know the majority of your players solo, right?
@ZOS_GinaBruno
I think they do know, and that's the point of it. They're trying to nudge you out of that zone just a little, and give you a present if you do it.
Unfortunately all the problems with random groups are likely to be that much worse with an infusion of people who have literally never done this stuff before, and nobody's going to have great experiences. So D minus for thinking that part through, devs who probably also never do this stuff.
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Not really ...Well looks like you can get 4 solo'ers together and finish the dungeon 4x quicker.
One will have never run the dungeon and is going through all the quest dialogs, reading every book and looking in every container while the other two keep spamming the group chat with how awesome they are and that they can run the dungeon naked with their eyes closed yet somehow they keep dying.
And you find yourself thinking, "Self, i should have run this solo ..."
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