Anyone but EP.
When the Dunmer and the Argonians manage to get together to do something, you know something really bad is about to happen.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Anyone but EP

This is true

None of them, they all want to kill each other and they are all terrible. All three would-be rulers are rather ill-suited for emperorship too.

Queen Ayrenn especially, is so naive it is no wonder her own people keep trying to dethrone her.
King Jorunn, well, you don't really see him until the end of the Pact story where he doesn't do all that much apart from getting poisoned. His son is also a terrible racist.
King Emeric is a nice person, but is filled with self doubt and a habit for getting himself into trouble.

which side is the good guys?

which ever side is sending me rewards for the worthy at that particular moment...

Pact all the way. Fragile alliance for sure, but AD are evil and DC have some odd leaders. It's a no brainer

geonsocal wrote: »

which side is the good guys?

which ever side is sending me rewards for the worthy at that particular moment...

This is funny seeing as my rewards of the worthy often come signed by the enemy alliance. Hopped on a red, received a reward calling me a hero of the Dominion. Can't even remember the last time I PvPed on the yellow side.

But after wandering through Tamriel I'll have to say EP. They're definitely the ones who are not actively attacking the other factions apart from a single spot in AD lands. AD murdered entire villages of civilians both in Deshaan and Shadowfen. They even kill the unborn as part of an 'experiment', and one guy cooks and eats a fetus. DC invaded and slaughtered the villagers in Bleakrock. They did the same in Bal Foyen and went on through Stonefalls, murdering the innocent, and resorting to necromancy to keep fighting no matter the cost. EP has occupied a single village in either Greenshade or Grahtwood. I have yet to do the quests. But the almost complete absence of EP soldiers as enemy NPCs during all the three alliance questlines combined should be enough of a hint about who is less intent on murdering the opposite factions.


Lore wise though, I think they all have their flaws.

There are no "Good Guys" but, considering the atrocities committed by DC and AD in the base game zones, I think EP are the least bad.

I wonder, why are everyone so quick to say "not EP"? None of them are "Good" they are all shades of Grey and all of them have bad eggs in them. There is racism in all 3 of the factions. Nords and Dunmers towards Argonians, Altmers and Bosmers towards Khajiits, Altmers towards Bosmers, and Bretons and Redguards towards Orcs.

To me EP is the one I would pick as least suckiest. Many of the characters we meet are genuinely trying to get past their old strife and build better. Obviously there are others who don't as well. But even in some of the first zones you help people get over their old ways, see Senie in Stonefalls for a good example.

AD is the absolute worst, the way the Altmers treat the Bosmers and Khajiits is really bad. Many people don't do it in AD too but you see it so much more through out the quest lines that its a lot more in your face. And we can't just say that they were rouges or whatever, they are still part of the Faction and you can't just look at the good bits. Not to say that EP doesn't have bad bits, I already did say that. Some people still run as slavers and stuff but the genocide of the AD was actually hard to watch when doing those quests. Side note: Telvanni are not part of EP.

DC is littered with in fighting and being infiltrated or betrayed. You never know who to trust and it makes them slow to act and distrustful of each other. They do have a good goal in mind with wanting to keep trade active but you can also see that as more of a play of greed, depends on your view of them. So DC are not that bad, they just get F'ed over by themselves a lot and fight a lot with each other. So I still pick EP over them with how EP is shown to wanting to improve more and even though they make mistakes and have some rouges, like all factions do, they are seen to be more active in making people turn over a new leaf and change their views.

Well seeing as blue and yellow can't stop working together in PvP against red. I say red is good and the other 2 are bad

All the reasons mentioned in this thread are good arguments as to why I hate having to choose any alliance to begin with. I do wish we could choose to go without an alliance altogether, although this would make Cyrodiil pvp rather odd.

At the end of the day, none of the alliances deserve victory, or are fit to rule.

Iccotak wrote: »

...the Dunmer that joined EP stopped slavery. Slavery is now illegal.

They stopped Argonian slavery, but even then, look the other way instead of dealing with particular clans/houses across Dark Elf territory (e.g. Stonefalls). That's a pretty lukewarm commitment to freedom.

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of clues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

We all need to unite or Talos will destroy us all.

Grabmoore wrote: »

aliyavana wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Just not EP

we can all agree ep are the bad guys, esp the argonian scum

This says much about the racist waste that AD is. Noone needs a 3rd Reich, that the Thalmor want to build.

What would you do if an random monster started building his empire, killing everyone on his way. Slaughtering your family, your friends, and forcing you to join him?



Thalmor knows that to stay alive in TES Universe god needs worshippers (like Zen quest in ESO), they want to destroy Talos, but the only way to do this is destroying his people.

Demycilian wrote: »

Rudyard wrote: »

The Dominion can never be considered the good guys after the genocide they enacted at the Hatching Pools in Shadowfen.

Nonsense. That alchemist was going rogue and not acting under Ayrenns/AD orders or intentions. Just as it wasnt that Bosmeri fellows order to likethe taste of Argonian eggs a tad too much.

There are plenty of cues telling a tale of the state of morale and how half the expedition force was on the brink of mutiny.

Yet they are still part of the faction. You can't sweep that under the rug in the same way you can't sweep EPs slavers in the other faction zones under the rug. We are talking about the factions in their entirety not just what the leaders wants.