[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets

The_Protagonist · November 2017

Imza wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?

The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.

Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.

but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....

The main purpose of slotting inner light is to get the passive increase to max magicka, have a look at the mage's guild passives and you will understand.

EDIT: Plus casting any MG's abilities gives empower (20% more damage on next attack), the major prophecy is a nice added bonus. Hopefully this clears it for you.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

I would like to adds Hircines Veneer to the list, 12% Stam recovery is almost nothing, it ought to be changed to cost reduction, like worm and have a weapon damage instead of 2 regen.

Gossamer is another set, they just need to make these sort of sets proc at full health, might be useful then.

Way of Martial Knowledge is another, where the best case is an extra 2.5% damage, 4 second cool down is too much, ought to be 2.

Chilly-McFreeze · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

PlagueSD wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

All sets with a CD over 1 second?

How about Burning Spellweave or Briarthorns just off the top of my head?

Briarthorns? You mean Briarheart? That set paired with Bahraha's Curse make for a very survivable character. With a high crit build, the healing is nice...

Bahraha's Curse:
5 Items - When you deal damage, you have a 25% chance to create desecrated ground for 5 seconds, which reduces the Movment Speed of enemies within by 70%, damages them for 1138 Magic Damage every 1 second and heals you for 100% of the damage done.

Briarheart:
5 items - When you deal Critical Damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 449 for 10 seconds. While this effect is active, your Critical Strikes heal you for 609 Health. This effect can occur once every 15 seconds.

Briarheart is basically Crit Surge for Stam builds.

5 seconds of downtime is meh.

amasuriel wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.

Rules of Engagement:

* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 second, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.

If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.

If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.

#5. Undaunted Infiltrator and a vMA weapon on a DK can make a very easy to play heavy attack build that can hit 25k+ DPS self buffed. See https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/309550/elemental-fury-pve-heavy-attack-dk-build-hotr-ready/p1 So not useless

However I would happily add to the trash list:

7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this

Agree with all these.

Briarheart 5s downtime is meh? It results in exact the same average wpn dmg boost as hundings. Plus aditional healing.

Gargath · November 2017

Runschei wrote: »

Imo clever alchemist is pretty much useless now.

Care to explain why?
I level my new magicka DK Flame Staff Warrior with this set and it works just fine.

TheDoomsdayMonster · November 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Gossamer is another set, they just need to make these sort of sets proc at full health, might be useful then.

I agree with you 10000000% as pertains that...

If it could proc on a healing cast opposed to only procing on an actual heal, then I'd wear this over Combat Physician in a heartbeat...

Darkstorne · November 2017

Oblivion's Foe is such an annoying set. It means the default Soul Trap will always be underpowered and useless, and require this set to make it viable. Because otherwise using this set on a skill that is already viable (100% damage boost) would make a decent skill insanely OP.

I feel like it needs to be redesigned to provide something like a 20% or 25% damage boost to BOTH Soul Trap and Soul Strike (the ult), so that default Soul Trap can be buffed and turned into a viable skill for all builds, and although this set's 5 piece gives it a nice extra boost, as well as the ult, it's still in place of a different 5 piece set bonus so it's not a must-have set when you want to use those skills, but a viable option.

Minno · November 2017

Gargath wrote: »

Runschei wrote: »

Imo clever alchemist is pretty much useless now.

Care to explain why?
I level my new magicka DK Flame Staff Warrior with this set and it works just fine.

I believe his comment was sarcastic.

But the cooldown between potion cooldown and The duration when the effect ends basically denies you the extra DMG. But for PvP is perfect, run and gun.

Grabmoore · November 2017

Imza wrote: »

treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?

Yes, because you could stack Mothers sorrow with spell crit pots or gain the buff from class abilities.

@OP: I agree there are many useless sets. However you might have missed that WW pets and Nightblade Shades count as pets, making Hunt Leader very decent. You might want to check SypherPks NB duell build.

Imo Armor Master is garbage after the latest changes to armor. You could effectively carry one ability in one bar, you won't be able to use it on both Bars anymore. Sad thing imo...

Also TBS could use a small buff or at least Quality of life change to a memorable mundus.

One small thing I want to admit, I used the smuggler set( minor Speed in potion use) on my Argonian magplar in final stage last round VMA on my earlier clears. The speed helped hiding behind the obstacle on the upper floor.

SirMewser · November 2017

For hunt leader there is some use for the stamina morph of the warden's bear.

FrancisCrawford · November 2017

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:

Lamia's Song gives an AoE heal of 30 health for each point of ultimate you spend. How fast are you gaining ultimate? That multiplies to a terribly low number.
In what build do you so purely rely on resto staff skills that Light Speaker is good?
In what DPS build will light and heavy attack damage be such a large fraction of damage that Queen's Elegance is good, now that both Overload and heavy attacks have been nerfed?
Similarly Sergeant's Mail.
What percentage of incoming damage is Transmutation averting? And by the way, this is only in PvP for targets who aren't shielded.
Stendarr's Embrace procs once every 30 seconds, and you can't pick who is affected when.
It's hard to think of a build that can't find a better way than Treasure Hunter to get Major Prophecy.
Vampire Lord buffs a very, very small set of skills.
Hide of the Werewolf gives 1 ultimate/second, which isn't a lot, and then only if you're constantly taking damage while wearing medium armor. Huh?
The numbers on Kyne's Kiss are lousy unless you're spamming an AoE bow skill. Every AoE bow skill has an over-time effect -- DoT, root/slow, or both. I.e., there is no such thing in the game as spammable AoE bow skill. (Actually, in Cyrodiil there may be enough targets to make it worthwhile. Hmm ...)
The "Fill and empty soul gem" benefit to Oblivion's Edge is really lame, since the benefit is sufficiently replicated by a Soul Magic passive.
Who would ever use DW without enough other sources of damage -- e.g. bow back bar -- to make the Sword Dancer buff too small?
Essence Thief has good-looking numbers, but it is widely reported to be too hard to use.

Cage_Lizardman · November 2017

Witchman beats Lamia's Song, but it's still quite bad.

And no one has even bothered mentioning Ice Furnace, so bad that it's completely forgotten.

NBrookus · November 2017

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
In what DPS build will light and heavy attack damage be such a large fraction of damage that Queen's Elegance is good, now that both Overload and heavy attacks have been nerfed?

What percentage of incoming damage is Transmutation averting? And by the way, this is only in PvP for targets who aren't shielded.

Elegance is still quite nice for pvp overload builds.

Transmutation is very, very good on a pvp support build. A group buff of 1300 crit resist is nothing to sneeze at.

Loc2262 · November 2017

I wouldn't call Treasure Hunter and Toothrow "useless". They might be for endgame builds. But you might want to also think about the players who are on their way to endgame.

E.g., there was a time when I neither had enough gold to spend on potions, nor did I want to "waste" a skill slot for Inner Light/Expert Hunter, so I used said sets.

Arobain · November 2017

17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.

werewolf pack leader and warden bear

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · November 2017

NBrookus wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Some of my list of weak 5-piece bonuses:
In what DPS build will light and heavy attack damage be such a large fraction of damage that Queen's Elegance is good, now that both Overload and heavy attacks have been nerfed?

What percentage of incoming damage is Transmutation averting? And by the way, this is only in PvP for targets who aren't shielded.

Elegance is still quite nice for pvp overload builds.

Transmutation is very, very good on a pvp support build. A group buff of 1300 crit resist is nothing to sneeze at.

that is 19% crit resist at gold. so yeah, nothing to sneeze at.

TastesAllColors · November 2017

Loc2262 wrote: »

I wouldn't call Treasure Hunter and Toothrow "useless". They might be for endgame builds. But you might want to also think about the players who are on their way to endgame.

E.g., there was a time when I neither had enough gold to spend on potions, nor did I want to "waste" a skill slot for Inner Light/Expert Hunter, so I used said sets.

I think this point should be emphasized. There are several sets that drop frequently and are only somewhat less powerful than the BiS sets. So if you are not a heavy player and don't have access to friend with a nine trait crafter you can easily get these sets. This is especially true if you are not at max CP level. Perhaps they could be called "middle game" sets.

Rawkan · November 2017

"useless" as in not a meta slave set?

Lord_Eomer · November 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...

With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...

Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...

Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...

Now don't get me wrong...

Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...

From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...

FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...

The problem is the 6 sec CD. In a fight (especially in Cyro 6 seconds is an ETERNITY) combined with the pitiful shield makes it useless.

This is a prime example of just a small tweak would make this a worthy set. Half the CD and double the shield and you have a set that can compete with the other 10 healing sets. As of now... other sets do it better.

With all due respect, but have you used Combat Physician in Cyrodiil?

I have, and have done so extensively (and continue to do so)...

I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that its not useless in Cyrodiil; its quite the opposite and has proven itself to be very useful to me again and again and again...

A few questions for you:

1) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can completely negate 80k damage per minute in PvE? I am pretty sure not many outperform Combat Physician in this regard...

2) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets perform as well as Combat Physician in Imperial City Sewers? For example, Transmutation or Wizards Riposte will only negate damage from an opposing player (which means their 5th piece bonus is useless against the Boss Monsters in the Sewers), but Combat Physician will negate damage from any source (except Oblivion damage of course)...

3) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can proc from you using Offensive Abilities? Once again, I am willing to bet that Combat Physician is better than many of those other 10 sets in this regard as well...

My whole point is that Combat Physician is no where near as bad as some of you make it out to be...

You made me laugh, you are using such a waste set instead of other good sets!

exeeter702 · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

These are 5 pc sets that are utterly useless and may as well be deleted from the game or at least have major overhauls as they are just cluttering up inventories and confusing new players.

Rules of Engagement:

* All previous lists are outdated.
* Include sets that are garbage in EVERY conceivable build.
* Include and those that are SO situational as to be worthless.
* If you think a set is NOT useless state why in as much detail as possible.
* If another set can do the job better include subsequent sets here.

1. Magicka Furnace (used to be OP now Useless mainly due to insanely long CD)
2. Treasure Hunter (5 pc is easily gained from other sources)
3. Spelunker (to specialized and not even good in its specialty)
4. Noble Duelist (to inconsistent and awkward even for pvp)
5. All Undaunted sets besides MAYBE Bastion
6. All sets with a stated CD over 1 seconds, I could have sworn zos promised no CD's when they pitched this years ago but w/e now that they are here to stay, they are all WAY to long to be viable for most sets.
7. All the trails sets that are crappy versions of other trials set (like the set that is exactly like Vicious Ophidian but without the weapon damage on 5 piece)
8. Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?
9. Oblivion's Foe: Your 5 piece makes a single power go from utter crap to barely useable
10. Daedric Trickery: most of the buffs are easily gotten elsewhere, and the ones that are not (like Major Protection) are going to happen 10 seconds out of 100 on average
11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.
12. Prayer Shawl: tiny proc chance on a tiny shield with a long cooldown, what's not to love?
13. Crusader: Unless this is somehow useful in PvP, I cannot see how this would possibly we useful, even in the niche of roll dodge related sets it's dead last
14. Combat Physician: See prayer Shawl. Shield still pretty small, now only on crit
15. Toothrow: This is Treasure Hunter for Stam
16. Essence Thief: So good on paper, until you watch a video of how far away the essence balls fly from you and the boss
17. Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.
18. Glorious Defender: Best case 1 dodge every 10 seconds. So many ways to gain Evasion, which will be vastly better. No reason to ever use this

If you disagree, I don't mind, just do so civily or I will simply ignore you.

If this thread takes off with good ideas then I will expand the list.

+ Added sets
+ Note, set % and amounts can be adjusted, no need for ANY CD's, also no need to make the damage dots.
+ We could make a list of Good sets but we want to bring the bad ones to light so they can be fixed, adjusted or deleted.

Sets like rattle cage, toothrow, treasure hunter etc have very real applications.. you are failing to see them is all.

These sets are not about offering the buffs where they are otherwise not available. The goal with these sets is depending on activity and build, these sets free up a potential ability bar slot for a much needed ability or alleviates the need to run particular pots If you find you absolutely need imovs or tris for example.

Asardes · November 2017

Well, those sets need to be farmed, and farming them is a waste of time if they are not within a few percent of BiS since you can get equal or better results with crafted sets. Ex. none of those sets beat 5 Hunding 3/4 NMG 3 Agility or 5 Julianos 3 Torug 3 Willpower in PvE DPS. Those combos are quite effective for farming trial gear if you are just starting out.

Flowersquisher · November 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...

With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...

Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...

Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...

Now don't get me wrong...

Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...

From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...

FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...

Here we go again with the CP, lololol

Flowersquisher · November 2017

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Imza wrote: »

treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?

The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.

Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.

IKR!

Tan9oSuccka · November 2017

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Tava's blessing - who's really still using this set since the change to armor skills? Cant use it in heavy or light anymore unless you are Nightblade (and maybe Warden for that silly 5% evasion buff.) As far as I know this is now the only crafted set in the game that only works for a class or two or medium armor setups.

At least Hunt Leader can still benefit anyone who's a werewolf.

Im so glad I didn’t fall for the Tava tanking meta. Now that set is pretty useless.

Apherius · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.

Agree with everything except the 6. cause ... Burningspell Waves.

and except this one cause it can be really usefull for the 4th boss of Vhof ( when both tank need to switch) if you have a lot of magicka in your group the boss will stay in the dots.

Tasear · November 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

victoriana-blue wrote: »

I was all set to defend Noble Duelist, and then I realized I'd confused it with Noble's Conquest (which is one of my go-to tank levelling sets).

And if sets like Selene didn't have a cool down they would be nerfed into dots instead of being their lovely bursty selves - look at how the community basically abandoned Viper after it was adjusted. So I can't say I agree with no.6.

Are you saying that you use noble conquest when levelig tanks? How many tanks did you level? Do you understand how this game works....?

Nobody that understands how to level in this game will ever use anything than damage sets while leveling to 50...

I don't I purely leveled as a healer 3 times, and a tank twice while being aware. It's just not fun for to do it the ways you suggest.

altemriel · November 2017

Runschei wrote: »

Imo clever alchemist is pretty much useless now.

pretty much yes, sadly, and it was such a good set

TheDoomsdayMonster · November 2017

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

elijafire wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...

With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...

Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...

Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...

Now don't get me wrong...

Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...

From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...

FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...

The problem is the 6 sec CD. In a fight (especially in Cyro 6 seconds is an ETERNITY) combined with the pitiful shield makes it useless.

This is a prime example of just a small tweak would make this a worthy set. Half the CD and double the shield and you have a set that can compete with the other 10 healing sets. As of now... other sets do it better.

With all due respect, but have you used Combat Physician in Cyrodiil?

I have, and have done so extensively (and continue to do so)...

I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that its not useless in Cyrodiil; its quite the opposite and has proven itself to be very useful to me again and again and again...

A few questions for you:

1) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can completely negate 80k damage per minute in PvE? I am pretty sure not many outperform Combat Physician in this regard...

2) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets perform as well as Combat Physician in Imperial City Sewers? For example, Transmutation or Wizards Riposte will only negate damage from an opposing player (which means their 5th piece bonus is useless against the Boss Monsters in the Sewers), but Combat Physician will negate damage from any source (except Oblivion damage of course)...

3) How many of those other 10 Healer Sets can proc from you using Offensive Abilities? Once again, I am willing to bet that Combat Physician is better than many of those other 10 sets in this regard as well...

My whole point is that Combat Physician is no where near as bad as some of you make it out to be...

You made me laugh, you are using such a waste set instead of other good sets!

Prove it...

Let's debate this; feel free to dispute my 3 points here as pertains the value of Combat Physician..

TheDoomsdayMonster · November 2017

Flowersquisher wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Combat Physician is definitely not worthless...

With the right build (one that stacks HoT's and features a high Spell Crit) that "small shield" will proc every 6 seconds like clockwork...

Over the course of a minute that "small shield" can potentially completely negate 80,000+ points of damage in PvE or 40000+ points of damage per minute in PvP...

Adding to the unappreciated value of Combat Physician is the fact that certain dps abilities can proc the damage shield, thus allowing you to simultaneously damage an opponent, heal yourself, and shield yourself...

Now don't get me wrong...

Combat Physician is not the best in slot by any means (especially in large groups), but to say it is garbage is completely wrong...

From my experience, its good in groups of 4 or smaller; its best when you are completely solo and are procing the damage shield on yourself exclusively...

FYI, the build in my sig makes excellent use of this gear set...

Here we go again with the CP, lololol

I beat the drum viciously for Combat Physician...
;,,,,;

Jusey1 · November 2017

elijafire wrote: »

11. Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.

Actually, the charge-taunt is probably the most powerful way to taunt. At least based on my experience. I have a tank who uses a 2h sword as his primary weapon, and usually sticks with it (unless a boss or specific enemy type is simply just too tough and requires a shield; such as the flesh atrons in Imperial Sewers).

The ability to taunt an entire room full of enemies in mere seconds by charging is pretty amazing, and once you reach to the last one, you got the whole group all together in the middle and can charge back to the group to keep them in the middle. The damage reduction effect is just a small bonus.

The problem with this set is the "healing taken" stats for the 3p and 4p parts. Those needs to be replaced with stats that actually matters or stats that is just flat-out useful.

dodgehopper_ESO · November 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

amasuriel wrote: »

Redistributor...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?

Someone using Rally. Which, I mean, that's already a pretty strange situation, but, just this side of maybe. Still not convinced it's a good option, but in that narrow situation, it could be beneficial. Maybe on a warden to proc Maturation? Even then, it's iffy.

amasuriel wrote: »

Tormentor: The 5 piece is a taunt and some minuscule damage on a charge. Lols.

Would be useful IF it applied on the werewolf leap. At that point it would be a game changer.

amasuriel wrote: »

Hunt Leader: Pet set...but stam, and there are no stam pets. Oops.

Okay, I'd stick a maybe on this for Stam Wardens. There's still better options for a stam build, but it is possible.

Wardens and Pack Leader Werewolf packs.