inked1 wrote: »

They exploited a glitch. That is bannable. But what they were also doing was selling skin runs to people while using the glitch. These two things combined is what I think got them (deservedly so) perma banned.

You cant know everyone who was doing it was selling it. They all do deserve bans but perma bans? Its far too harsh imo.

Its Zos fault its possible in the first place. Why did they not ban everyone who intendingly used the befoul exploit? Its a joke imo.

Honestly I feel that a perma ban is a little aggressive considering that there are many other bugs/cheats that are being exploited daily with no repercussions. Now I understand the frustration and anger of PVE players with this instance, but don't forget the node farmers dealing with endless bots, or the legit PvP players pushing for emp only to get blocked by someone account sharing or boosting. Also, some or most blame should be directly aimed at ZoS for releasing broken content after months of development and weeks of PTS testing. Now I don't know the particulars pertaining to if this was just limited to console or global, but if it was just on console then maybe it's time to open a console PTS. It took four days to figure out that the new trial had a massive glitch that could be exploited which could have easily been avoided though a proper pts on console or at least competent group of testers from ZoS. Now while I do not condone these few exploiters, I do feel that the perma ban was excessive. A one month ban and warning of pending perma ban if caught again would probably have done the trick. Instead it leaves me with a feeling that ZoS got caught with their pants down and swiftly tossed out perma bans just to save face. Either hire more competent testers, give consoles a PTS, or at least enforce the rules properly across the whole game. Oh, by the way load screens are still broken.

I remember the great CE debacle, and people being unbanned a week later. There's NO way one could accidentally use that.

Inconsistent ZOS as always. A buggy boss is not where these devs should finally take a stand on cheating. If they really care about the loot/achievments, why not just revoke them? Lazy, lazy.

Meanwhile; bot trains, gold sellers and worse.

Docmandu wrote: »

Bkella wrote: »

Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......

Yeah can't blame that thief that robs your house empty because you forgot to lock your front door! Right? *sigh*

@Docmandu It's more like ZOS sat a heavy desk on the sidewalk, and watched out the window as someone slowly 'trashpicks' it. Sure, they could stop it now but that's not in their scheduling(hotfix). Sure, they could pop out and say 'Sorry no, that's not trash' and take their desk back(reclaim items/achievments gained). Instead, they walk out with... maybe too dramatic, but they 'perma'ban people. We'll see if it's even permanent by the end of the month.

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS said it is an action that will result in a ban.

...unless you are a "famous" YouTuber or in Hodor

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS said it is an action that will result in a ban.

...unless you are a "famous" YouTuber or in Hodor

Well, if they would have used the exploit to get HM, THEN they would be banned too.

But as you see... they did it without exploiting. And it's a really hard fight, so I can just congrats!

But ZOS don't make a difference between a "famous Youtuber" or a "normal guy". Use the exploit and you get banned, no matter what you are (even orcs could be banned).

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

I remember the great CE debacle, and people being unbanned a week later. There's NO way one could accidentally use that.

Inconsistent ZOS as always. A buggy boss is not where these devs should finally take a stand on cheating. If they really care about the loot/achievments, why not just revoke them? Lazy, lazy.

Meanwhile; bot trains, gold sellers and worse.

Docmandu wrote: »

Bkella wrote: »

Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......

Yeah can't blame that thief that robs your house empty because you forgot to lock your front door! Right? *sigh*

@Docmandu It's more like ZOS sat a heavy desk on the sidewalk, and watched out the window as someone slowly 'trashpicks' it. Sure, they could stop it now but that's not in their scheduling(hotfix). Sure, they could pop out and say 'Sorry no, that's not trash' and take their desk back(reclaim items/achievments gained). Instead, they walk out with... maybe too dramatic, but they 'perma'ban people. We'll see if it's even permanent by the end of the month.

I couldn't agree more...Its like they took the easy way out instead of owning up to their shotty workmanship... If they are going to take a hard stance, then start by putting gamemasters in the game!!!! In the 2+ years on console, I have never seen or even heard of an appearance of a gamemaster ingame...Then look at the logs of emperors who are logged in for 36+ hours at a time(account sharing to profit), characters gaining absurd amount of AP in short periods(boosting/feeding), and the army of bots running around Tamerial. I know I am forgetting about many other exploits, but my point is that they need to be consistent and diligent with their enforcement...

Is this exploit require some hard ritual and planning? I hope so, because there's always posibility that you accidenly run into that bug and then you should stop fighting (?), but what If your group will be still attacking this boss? How will you prove your innocence?

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS said it is an action that will result in a ban.

...unless you are a "famous" YouTuber or in Hodor

I am neither.

and you, Sir, get the "Blessing of Alkosh" for beinga decent and upstanding citizen of Tanriel

Of course Hodor did it legit...they have no need to cheat...too damn good at the game (grumble, grumble, moan...jealous me)

Mureel wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Where is the line between mechanics and exploit though? No perma bans went out for all the groups standing on the rock on vHRC first boss to avoid damage (most didn't even know this was not intended until it was finally fixed recently). Or was kiting the Ozara adds out of the room in vSO an exploit? Seemed like a smart strategy to me until ZoS fixed it recently.

How about the last boss of Arx Corinium, is it an exploit to stand in the safe area the does not receive AoE damage? In vDSA final boss, is positioning to get one flame Atronach instead of four going to trigger the next round of bans? Which things are considered smart mechanics vs unintended exploits?

I don't know the specifics of the vAS exploit, maybe it was obviously cheating, maybe not, but I don't like the idea that finding safe locations in any boss encounter can lead to a ban.

Completely incorrect post because:
1. VHRC: The boss can still attack you! It was to avoid ONLY the little circles of aoe that fly around the ground (and most people I know never did this because it's trashy)
2. Kiting Ozara adds out of the room is a strategy! You have a 2nd tank who does it, who still needs to cope with those adds, be given heals and resources, etc. it is NOT AT ALL as if they cannot attack you! Ask any tank.
3. The last boss of Arx HAS A BABY PET who she literally tells to take cover and makes a shield over! It is a mechanic that you run to the baby for the shield! Not kill the baby, and have no shield. It is a planned mechanic.

You don't know what you are talking about at all.

There is a huge difference between attacking a boss through a door who cannot even attack you and intended mechanics and/or strategies.

Completely incorrect reply to my post. Check your facts before claiming someone else does not know what they are talking about.

1. VHRC allowed DPS to avoid 100% of damage if the tank had the boss positioned correctly.

2. I would agree with you that it was not an exploit, except that ZoS fixed it because it was an exploit. Again, the tank does not avoid damage, but the "exploit" is preventing damage on the DPS and healers that is supposed to be unavoidable.

3. The boss with the pet snake is not the last boss of Arx, that is boss 3/6. I'm referring to the one with the big AoEs and the electrified water. All of the islands except one take massive damage, and we have no way of knowing if it is intended. You should probably go finish Arx sometime, sounds like you only made it halfway through.

Like I said, I do not know how what the vAS exploit was, so I cannot speak as to whether or not it was obvious. I do know that a lot of strategies were probably not planned by ZoS when they made the content. I dont like the idea that we need to take every mechanic damage source to the face, because avoiding things in creative ways can result in a permaban.

When I am figuring out a new boss encounter, and something hurts me, I move. If nothing hurts me in the new location, I stay there. Eventually I will end up in some area with the least (or zero) incoming damage. Who is to say if any safe spots are intended or not? Isn't this the point of being ranged and having a tank? Now if the boss was glitched where he couldn't hit the tank, or some other deliberate obvious exploit, that could be different, but I haven't seen or heard anything to imply this.

I also think the only reason these bans were possible was due to the small number of people doing this exploit. If it had been thousands of individuals, like all the other examples I listed, it would have been impossible to ban the entire end-game community.

If it is a LIVE bug that was exploited, then yes. It should be a ban-able offense because you're exploiting a bug that could damage the economy of the game or damage other people's free time.

However, if it is in PTS... Exploit it. Who cares. It's the test server, so have fun.

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I understand getting banned for playing with cheaters, because even if you don't cheat you benefit from it.

That is by far the dumbest logic I've seen in a long time...

So I should be perma-banned if I randomly queue up for a dungeon and get ONE cheater on my team who is exploiting some sort of bug to instant kill enemies or be invincible, and there is nothing I can do about it but report the bug and player (that is assuming I know it is a bug. Some exploits are a bit harder to notice than others)?. I mean seriously, if you play with a cheater by mere randomness of a dice roll, then you shouldn't be banned.

Now, if you're purposely playing with them, knowingly and all, then yes you should be.