Those “exploiters”

JWKe

I agree. Banning players permanently for Zo$'s own negligence in programming is not an appropriate punishment. A warning and a rollback is much more appropriate.

ADarklore

Those who are supporting the players banned and blaming ZOS for this should cause ZOS to seriously take a look at these players accounts; typically those sympathetic to cheaters tend to be cheaters themselves but just haven't been caught yet.

Minyassa

No. It's not ZOS's fault. They've been clear like every other MMO in existence that exploiting is bad. It's always the fault of the idiot who decides to try to get away with cheating. I knew what an exploit was within a few days of playing MMOs in general, it is not a difficult concept to grasp. If someone's too stupid to understand that cheating is bad, they are too stupid to be playing with the public.

Voxicity

ADarklore wrote: »

Those who are supporting the players banned and blaming ZOS for this should cause ZOS to seriously take a look at these players accounts; typically those sympathetic to cheaters tend to be cheaters themselves but just haven't been caught yet.

I somewhat support the players who were banned, but I'm a clean PvPer, even though I've been wrongly accused of macroing every so often. So yeah, go ahead ZOS

starkerealm

Jeremy wrote: »

Expecting other players to make moral judgments and to drop a group or be banned if their fellow party members are using a questionable technique to defeat a boss more easily is unreasonable in my opinion.

The exploit only works if everyone is on board. They need to all be participating, or it will not work.

I mean, in an abstract, where one player could be using an exploit... I understand your anxiety. This was an issue with Mass Effect 3's multiplayer. Where if you got into a lobby with a cheater, you could get slapped with a ban.

For this example, though, it doesn't apply.

Chrysa1is

Whoops

Ackwalan

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Whoops

I was confused. But yes, your first instinct is probably correct.

StackonClown

Chufu wrote: »

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

ZOS said it is an action that will result in a ban.

...unless you are a "famous" YouTuber or in Hodor

Well, if they would have used the exploit to get HM, THEN they would be banned too.

But as you see... they did it without exploiting. And it's a really hard fight, so I can just congrats!

But ZOS don't make a difference between a "famous Youtuber" or a "normal guy". Use the exploit and you get banned, no matter what you are (even orcs could be banned).

Of course @zos makes a difference, are you kidding?

For a long time they said nothing about cheating or exploiting and even said no discussions are allowed about disciplinary action but then suddenly they do an irreversable ban of a specified number of accounts (43)...

I wouldn't call them famous youtubers, but maybe in their own minds.

So will ZOS now permaban every future single 'exploit', and then make a new thread with the details and give the number of people banned, regardless of who was 'crying' about it??

Also, @ZOS should be very careful about seeming to pander to wannabee ESO personalities. The last couple of the most vocal ones were put on a pedestal and they both rage-quit and made fun of @ZOS - lolz

Whether someone has a website, does a build with a 'coolz build name', streams or has a small-time youtube channel, shouldnt allow them to have more sway with anyone at @ZOS.

The behaviour of some of these people cheering in the other thread is childish at best - what are they, like 10 years old??

what is a botschafter?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

People are just shocked that ZOS would actually ban anyone. It's their game. If they want to (finally) enforce exploiting, after years of allowing it, then I support them.

I just hope they are clear and very vocal from the start, as Gina has done here, saying "This will get you banned." There will be gray areas and people may fall through the cracks. I mean I loved grinding XP by chainpulling that craglorn scorpion up on the rocks years ago? Is stuff like that a bannable offence now? Who knows. But if ZOS makes a pretty simple guide so the honest people can stay honest, and keeps their communication up, then I support them 100%

Cpt_Teemo

JWKe wrote: »

I agree. Banning players permanently for Zo$'s own negligence in programming is not an appropriate punishment. A warning and a rollback is much more appropriate.

A rollback to day 1 sure, just like WoT does.

Chronicburn

They should have gotten a suspension and a warning. ZOS is now against players obviously while before they were hiding it

SecretAtoz

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

People are just shocked that ZOS would actually ban anyone. It's their game. If they want to (finally) enforce exploiting, after years of allowing it, then I support them.

I just hope they are clear and very vocal from the start, as Gina has done here, saying "This will get you banned." There will be gray areas and people may fall through the cracks. I mean I loved grinding XP by chainpulling that craglorn scorpion up on the rocks years ago? Is stuff like that a bannable offence now? Who knows. But if ZOS makes a pretty simple guide so the honest people can stay honest, and keeps their communication up, then I support them 100%

You know, I thought animation cancelling was an exploit at first, so I didn't bother using them. I was one of those players that just spam skills lol. When I decided to take endgame seriously enough, I did research through guides and forum posts and found out AC was supported by ZOS. I was like seriously?

If AC was bannable, things would be very different.

starkerealm

StackonClown wrote: »

what is a botschafter?

One who schafts das bot.

But, seriously, he's a community ambassador. His muttersprachen is German, so, you get to deal with his title being Botschafter, instead of Ambassador.

Jarryzzt

inked1 wrote: »

They exploited a glitch. That is bannable. But what they were also doing was selling skin runs to people while using the glitch. These two things combined is what I think got them (deservedly so) perma banned.

Is this true? What is the source?

I mean, the original ZOS post does not appear to mention any such thing, just the fact that people were killing a specific boss and getting a specific achievement using an exploit.

On the surface, the ZOS post made it seem as if the whole ban was intended as punishment for those 34 players who "got the achievement without working for it". If so, then...a perma-ban seems a bit like an overreaction to put it mildly. [Banning them for a month and possibly forcing a character deletion/respec would seem, on the surface, not inappropriate as an alternative.] Almost making it sound as if the problem is not the exploit but the concept of attaining an achievement "unfairly", and down that rabbit hole lies banning people for "tailgating" a high-level in a public delve and letting them do most of the work killing the boss to pick up that achievement.

Rationally, this suggests that these 34 people must have done something rather more upsetting. Like, for instance, "selling skin runs", or even just sharing the exploit among their friends or guildmates as a sort of a favor. But I ask again, what is the source of this allegation (e.g. is there another ZOS post where they clarify this)?

Dracofyre

devs need to fix "line of sight" when i am behind the walls and they hit me and i cant hit back, it is considered devs' cheat.

i can see why others exploiting, my guild has a rule, never to cheat or boot from guild if anyone did, we keep it honest and to have fun.

ManwithBeard9

Chronicburn wrote: »

They should have gotten a suspension and a warning. ZOS is now against players obviously while before they were hiding it

I am fully on board with ZOS being against players that cheat, exploit, and create a toxic community.

SirAndy

StackonClown wrote: »

what is a botschafter?

There are people who live in different "countries" where they speak different "languages".
I know this probably sounds strange but there are actually quite a lot of them out there.

In this particular case, the guy lives in a country called "Germany" or "Deutschland" as they call it where they speak a language called "German" or "Deutsch" as they call it.
I know, i know, crazy right? Anyways, Botschafter means Ambassador in English.

No idea why they can't just all speak English ...

Morgul667

By the same logic miat addon users should be banned as they exploit info introduced by zos api, but they do so to take advantage on other players

Can we please extend cheat actions to other obvious and well known issues ?

idk

_Salty_ wrote: »

Blaming zos for your exploiting is like blaming McDonald's for making you fat. The choice is yours.

The is one of the most logical statements in this thread.

StackonClown

Morgul667 wrote: »

By the same logic miat addon users should be banned as they exploit info introduced by zos api, but they do so to take advantage on other players

Can we please extend cheat actions to other obvious and well known issues ?

interesting point!

MakoFore

The Sanctum troll boss is a good example- cos every single player on this forum has at once stage done the same exploit - knowingly and willingly- should they all be banned? this is way way harsh when there are STILL exploits in the game that people use every day. the difference is is that this is a highly highly coveted skin that only 24 or so people on each server have achieved yet. whats at stake isn't some vo ring- but probably the most difficult to ahcivet title and skin in the game, and zos want to preserve that, but moreso- Zos are embarrassed that something they held up as being the hardest and best content got beaten by a simple , so simple its embarrassing ly dumb exploit and now theyre exacting vengeance.
but thats still inconsistent across the whole game- and what people have been doing from the beginning.
- sanctum ophidia troll bridge exploit
- vMOL bridge exploit
- vROM tree and memento exploit to get to final boss.

the thing that f#$%cked these people was the selling of the skins- thats inexcusable and can't be defended.
these others STILL havent been fixed. nor have alot of people been punished for it, people that I'm sure are here in these forums saying good riddance. stop being hypocrites ya ll. and secondly - fix these glitches ZOS, then we won't have to debate it.

Slick_007

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Also, some or most blame should be directly aimed at ZoS for releasing broken content after months of development and weeks of PTS testing.

you must think all other games dont have bugs or unintended effects. they abused something for gain. and they got put down for it. permanently. the way it should be.

Huyen

Bkella wrote: »

Isn’t this ZoS’s fault for having a bug in the game allowing people to kill a boss from a safe area?! How is that a bannable offense for those players if it is built into the game, you should be thanking them for doing some free beta testing and exposing a bug your dev team left out there......

You cant exploit those bugs, and are bound by the ToS to report them asap, and refrain from exploiting such bugs. Bans have been here in the past for the MoL-exploit and they should do it again. Take away those skins, because they didnt do *** to earn it in the first place. I have spoken.

Elsonso

SirAndy wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

what is a botschafter?

There are people who live in different "countries" where they speak different "languages".
I know this probably sounds strange but there are actually quite a lot of them out there.

In this particular case, the guy lives in a country called "Germany" or "Deutschland" as they call it where they speak a language called "German" or "Deutsch" as they call it.
I know, i know, crazy right? Anyways, Botschafter means Ambassador in English.

What ZOS needs are official Bot Shafters, who give the shaft to bots.

Morgul667 wrote: »

By the same logic miat addon users should be banned as they exploit info introduced by zos api, but they do so to take advantage on other players

Possibly, but there are a lot of things that add-ons are doing that are in that grey area of the ToS and CoC, and a lot of people are using those add-ons and those features. One way to get rid of the need to maintain the PC servers and game client would be to start banning people for all of that stuff.

In any case, your idea might have merit. It would help get rid of the last of the PC PVP players that are clinging to the game in the vain hope that ZOS will eventually fix lag, loading screens, and game balance.

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

So some non professionals found something in 4 days that the pros missed in months of development and weeks of testing...my point exactly...

That is the way it is in software development.

"If builders built houses the way programmers built programs, the first woodpecker to come along would destroy civilization."

ZOS recently banned some woodpeckers.

Slick_007

Chronicburn wrote: »

They should have gotten a suspension and a warning. ZOS is now against players obviously while before they were hiding it

just you. and 34 other people. or is that 33 others?
you think if you get caught and punished for cheating that someone you arent the one at fault? mind you, i've read your other posts and you show the same contempt for zos staff in all of them.

they got caught and had to face the music
https://youtu.be/1_hjAlzAgKE

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Bkella wrote: »

Playing within the game is all fair.....simple as that. Every dungeon has an opportunity to cheese and people do it everyday, if they cared then they would fix them all

Just because there is an opportunity to "cheese" doesn't mean you have to take it.

At work I have the opportunity to "skim" from the cash register everyday, and as I am the person responsible for the resolving the weekly take it would be almost impossible for me to be caught doing so; however, I have never stolen a single penny.

All The Best

StackonClown

starkerealm wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

what is a botschafter?

One who schafts das bot.

But, seriously, he's a community ambassador. His muttersprachen is German, so, you get to deal with his title being Botschafter, instead of Ambassador.

Ah thanks! by all means...

Liley

Is there an official post from ZOS about this?

starkerealm

Jarryzzt wrote: »

inked1 wrote: »

They exploited a glitch. That is bannable. But what they were also doing was selling skin runs to people while using the glitch. These two things combined is what I think got them (deservedly so) perma banned.

Is this true? What is the source?

I mean, the original ZOS post does not appear to mention any such thing, just the fact that people were killing a specific boss and getting a specific achievement using an exploit.

On the surface, the ZOS post made it seem as if the whole ban was intended as punishment for those 34 players who "got the achievement without working for it". If so, then...a perma-ban seems a bit like an overreaction to put it mildly. [Banning them for a month and possibly forcing a character deletion/respec would seem, on the surface, not inappropriate as an alternative.] Almost making it sound as if the problem is not the exploit but the concept of attaining an achievement "unfairly", and down that rabbit hole lies banning people for "tailgating" a high-level in a public delve and letting them do most of the work killing the boss to pick up that achievement.

Rationally, this suggests that these 34 people must have done something rather more upsetting. Like, for instance, "selling skin runs", or even just sharing the exploit among their friends or guildmates as a sort of a favor. But I ask again, what is the source of this allegation (e.g. is there another ZOS post where they clarify this)?

First place I saw it was chatter in the nuked thread. Which, isn't exactly a great citation. But, here we are.

As I recall, a couple users mentioned seeing them advertising runs in zone, before the ban. I'm unclear if they were actually doing glitch runs, or simply trying to sell glitched runs unsuccessfully. Though the 34 number would suggest that they ran it at least two or three times, for cash.

starkerealm

Liley wrote: »

Is there an official post from ZOS about this?

Yes.

Here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380210/response-to-the-veteran-hard-mode-asylum-sanctorium-trial-exploit-nov-10/p1

The abstract is: "They were banned. It'll be fixed sometime next week. Don't do it, or we'll find you."