ZOS This makes absolutely no sense!

syntaxsue_ESO · November 2017

I've been subscribing for over a year, but this month I had to let it wait a couple of weeks before renewing the sub. I rely on the craft bag, without it I can't play the game, but I didn't worry about a couple of weeks thinking that since I do writs and crafting often, I'll be using up the mats that deposit into my backpack, so I won't drown in them. Boy, was I wrong! Not. One. Single. Material. was used from my backpack, they all came from the craft bag. Mind blown. Just blown. So now I have these materials in my backpack I can neither use nor deposit (yeah, it's full, don't even go there). The only option I have is destroy, or try to pawn them off on someone in ZC because I'm sure as heck not going to use up a guild store slot for 3 Ta. Why ZOS? Why waste the resources in such a way? How hard could it be to by default use mats from the backpack before using them from the craft bag? Or give us a check box to choose which to draw from? I'm just so irritated right now, so I'm being more frank that I usually am, but the way it is now just doesn't make sense at all!

MJallday · November 2017

well, theyve probably assumed, since you no longer pay for the subscription, you probably shouldnt use their server space to hold your stuff, and it will be deducted from that, rather than your toon.

i dont think thats massively unreasonable is it?

newtinmpls · November 2017

I see your frustration.

TBH, I would have expected them to just dump everything into your bag/bank and what doesn't fit, you lose. So this is at least better than that.

Chronicburn · November 2017

Yes, it would make sense to pull from backpack first ... or give that option... looks like ZOS wants to punish us if we can’t pay for a month

On a related note, it seems like I don’t always get my monthly crowns ... though I don’t have time to actually track it

code65536 · November 2017

LOL. This is 100% intentional. The usage order is stolen > craft bag > backpack. The reason is to hamper craft bag functionality when you're not subbed, to discourage people who subscribe for a brief period of time just to stock their craft bag.

Cpt_Teemo · November 2017

Chronicburn wrote: »

Yes, it would make sense to pull from backpack first ... or give that option... looks like ZOS wants to punish us if we can’t pay for a month

On a related note, it seems like I don’t always get my monthly crowns ... though I don’t have time to actually track it

I don't believe its a punishment, just a terms of use type thing

Lyserus · November 2017

Chronicburn wrote: »

Yes, it would make sense to pull from backpack first ... or give that option... looks like ZOS wants to punish us if we can’t pay for a month

On a related note, it seems like I don’t always get my monthly crowns ... though I don’t have time to actually track it

you get your crown on the day you paid at once...

newtinmpls · November 2017

Chronicburn wrote: »

Yes, it would make sense to pull from backpack first ... or give that option... looks like ZOS wants to punish us if we can’t pay for a month

Well...It looks to me like they don't want to give full sub bennies to people who are not subbing.

syntaxsue_ESO · November 2017

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. This is 100% intentional. The usage order is stolen > craft bag > backpack. The reason is to hamper craft bag functionality when you're not subbed, to discourage people who subscribe for a brief period of time just to stock their craft bag.

Which comes kind of comes close to supporting what this person is saying -

Chronicburn wrote: »

Yes, it would make sense to pull from backpack first ... or give that option... looks like ZOS wants to punish us if we can’t pay for a month

On a related note, it seems like I don’t always get my monthly crowns ... though I don’t have time to actually track it

and TBH, my angry reaction was that it is indeed punishment. However, being a reasonable person, I had to tell myself that of course ZOS isn't punishing us, because that would have to imply that ZOS doesn't give a toot about the player base, and it's hard to believe that they would be that uncaring. I mean, certainly, they must be working the angle so that there's incentive to subscribe, and since this is an online game, the only way to incentivize is through emotion. Greed, anger, hate...they all lead to the dark side. Unless you subscribe.

sevomd69 · November 2017

Why should ZoS give you ESO+ benefits when you're not subscribed? They could just dump all the stuff in the crafting bag into your inventory if/when you no longer subscribe...

mirta000b16_ESO · November 2017

this is not a punishment, but rather a boon. You subscribe to stockpile materials. You craft without subscription while using your stockpiled materials from your craft bag. If you have no subscription, do not gather extra stuff.

Azurya · November 2017

You get what you pay for

you pay nothing, you get nothing

it is just as easy

idk · November 2017

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. This is 100% intentional. The usage order is stolen > craft bag > backpack. The reason is to hamper craft bag functionality when you're not subbed, to discourage people who subscribe for a brief period of time just to stock their craft bag.

Yes, but I also wonder if OP is on PC and using an addon like Lazy Writ Crafter which may choose where the matts are taken from.

Just a guess, Not sure how the addon works or how this is set up in the base game.

syntaxsue_ESO · November 2017

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

syntaxsue_ESO · November 2017

idk wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. This is 100% intentional. The usage order is stolen > craft bag > backpack. The reason is to hamper craft bag functionality when you're not subbed, to discourage people who subscribe for a brief period of time just to stock their craft bag.

Yes, but I also wonder if OP is on PC and using an addon like Lazy Writ Crafter which may choose where the matts are taken from.

Just a guess, Not sure how the addon works or how this is set up in the base game.

Yes, I am on a PC, but I've not used Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter because there's nothing in the description that says it lets you choose where to withdraw from. I'll test it out though, that would be problem solved if it does.

jaws343 · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

That's like saying you shouldn't have your apartment taken away because you miss a month of rent because you have to pay for other things. That's not how life works.

mirta000b16_ESO · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

then do it like people that never had ESO+ do and put them in your bank/ keep them in your inventory/ set up a mule alt. My SO never subs at all, as we do not have money for more than one sub and he wants me to have my fun.

syntaxsue_ESO · November 2017

jaws343 wrote: »

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

That's like saying you shouldn't have your apartment taken away because you miss a month of rent because you have to pay for other things. That's not how life works.

That's just silly, you don't have to throw your belongings in the trash because you get evicted.

idk · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

idk wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

LOL. This is 100% intentional. The usage order is stolen > craft bag > backpack. The reason is to hamper craft bag functionality when you're not subbed, to discourage people who subscribe for a brief period of time just to stock their craft bag.

Yes, but I also wonder if OP is on PC and using an addon like Lazy Writ Crafter which may choose where the matts are taken from.

Just a guess, Not sure how the addon works or how this is set up in the base game.

Yes, I am on a PC, but I've not used Dolgubon's Lazy Writ Crafter because there's nothing in the description that says it lets you choose where to withdraw from. I'll test it out though, that would be problem solved if it does.

It does not let you choose where to draw the matts from.

I was just wondering if you were using it and if they might have been the reason crafting was drawing items from your bag instead of the characters inventory.

I've not unsubscribed for a short time so have no idea how non subs live. Crafting bag alone is enough to keep me subbed.

Apache_Kid · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

Welcome to real life dude.

Hokiewa · November 2017

You don't get to keep the benefit if you no longer pay for it. From a marketing/business perspective, it's intentional so you see the annoyance of clutter in your inventory/bank and next thing you know, you've resubbed. This isn't uncommon nor is it the tradegy that you are making out to be. It's not punishment, it's simply not allowing you full benefit of something you are no longer paying for

Jayne_Doe · November 2017

As others have said (and btw, I've seen this kind of thread pop up before, so it's nothing new), why should you still get the benefits of being subbed when you are no longer subbed? Of course, it's going to pull from your craft bag first, otherwise, people would just sub for a month to get all their mats into a craft bag, then unsub and reap the benefits until the next time they need to dump more into the craft bag.

You aren't being punished. Punishment would be to dump it all back into your bank/inventory and lose the excess that won't fit. But, you are allowed to keep ALL of those materials and can use them freely, but you have to use them first. Makes sense to me. Why should you still have the full benefits of the crafting bag without being subbed? Yes, it sucks that you're now building up mats on your character that you don't have room for, but you also have all those mats in the craft bag that are still available for you to use. You haven't lost them, but you have to use them now since you are no longer subbed. They've given you the grace of keeping the mats in the craft bag, but you don't get to collect and use new mats while leaving a stockpile in the craft bag, that you're no longer paying for.

Surak73 · November 2017

Come on: it may be annoying at first, but it's not the end of the world.

I sub from time to time, just to refull my crafting bag, and when I'm not subbing I only have to organize better my spaces: one alt for set pieces, bank for important crafting materials, dust bin for low value materials which I already own in thousands (e.g. provisioning ingredients, trait stones, common styles stones etc.).

Number_51 · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

Well you all are missing the point. Waste. I can understand that the hierarchy while subbed should be Stolen > Craft Bag > Backpack, but the game is smart enough to know when there's a sub, and when there isn't. so the hierarchy should change. The fact that it doesn't, means that anything I get as writ rewards or from deconstructing gear is wasted unless I can sell it on the guild trader or in ZC (and I'm not that silly as to go harvesting nodes when I know I don't have the backpack space for those mats). Nobody really wants to buy one or two Ta at a time, and it's these small amounts of EVERYTHING that you get from doing writs and decons that clogs up the bag, but are worthless on the market, and my only option is to sell them for 0, or destroy them.

A player who has worked hard to gather the resources to become a master crafter shouldn't have it all taken away because they have bills to pay and can't sub for a bit. Not everyone is made of money, but I think that it's the mindset of those people who never miss a month of subbing to believe that everyone should have the money just because they do, and if you don't, well you don't have a right to play ESO or have fun, or in fact, have a right to preserve everything you've worked hard for.

That's like saying you shouldn't have your apartment taken away because you miss a month of rent because you have to pay for other things. That's not how life works.

That's just silly, you don't have to throw your belongings in the trash because you get evicted.

No one is forcing you to throw your belongings in the trash. You have chosen to do so presumably because it's inconvenient to carry around your 70" TV, gaming PC, stereo, furniture, appliances, and all your clothing in your backpack after you've been evicted. Another solution might be to hire other people (alt mules) to help you carry the load.

Vizier · November 2017

Not sure I see the problem here.

Not getting the service you're not paying for? Am I reading that right?

Waffennacht · November 2017

I thought you would've just necroed the original thread about this.

I posted advice in that one, don't feel like repeating myself lol

Zyjin · November 2017

It is in order to keep people from subbing for a month, stockpiling their crafting bag, and then abusing it after the fact.

You shouldn't get access to something you don't pay for, it makes sense to me really.

Megabear · November 2017

syntaxsue_ESO wrote: »

I've been subscribing for over a year, but this month I had to let it wait a couple of weeks before renewing the sub. I rely on the craft bag, without it I can't play the game, but I didn't worry about a couple of weeks thinking that since I do writs and crafting often, I'll be using up the mats that deposit into my backpack, so I won't drown in them. Boy, was I wrong! Not. One. Single. Material. was used from my backpack, they all came from the craft bag. Mind blown. Just blown. So now I have these materials in my backpack I can neither use nor deposit (yeah, it's full, don't even go there). The only option I have is destroy, or try to pawn them off on someone in ZC because I'm sure as heck not going to use up a guild store slot for 3 Ta. Why ZOS? Why waste the resources in such a way? How hard could it be to by default use mats from the backpack before using them from the craft bag? Or give us a check box to choose which to draw from? I'm just so irritated right now, so I'm being more frank that I usually am, but the way it is now just doesn't make sense at all!

It's not really an issue as long as you have sufficient mules and bank space. My system is as followed, though two of the mules are actually leveled and in the process of being geared.

Bank = Craft mats and temporary storage for stuff
Personal Guild Bank = BoE gears, pots, max quantity craft mats, recipes, etc.
Mule #1 = Bound accessories
Mule #2 = Bound light/medium armors
Mule #3 = Bound weapons/shields/heavy armors
Mule #4 = Monster sets

makerofthings · November 2017

Skipping 3 Starbucks beverages a month would pay for ESO+.

KingMagaw · November 2017

I was also surprised at this.

ESO was always designed around forcing people to sub for any QoL. it would be impossible for me to play without craftbag and this was an intentional design. That is why the benefits for subbers is poor apart from the craft bag.

Inventory was always engineered to be hassle in ESO as only recently was banker doubled, even though all the new sets, all the old sets boosted from VR14, new materials, new style stones etc was added yet no solution was put in place, ZOS has forced any daily player to sub )

Drummerx04 · November 2017

MJallday wrote: »

well, theyve probably assumed, since you no longer pay for the subscription, you probably shouldnt use their server space to hold your stuff, and it will be deducted from that, rather than your toon.

i dont think thats massively unreasonable is it?

Actually, storing the same material in two separate inventory slots (backpack and craft bag) takes more memory than storing the same number of items in the craft bag.

But the obvious goal is to make your life SUCK in game if you lose the craft bag.