How do you think the three banner war will end? (possible spoiler)
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^this. Since we probably won't see ZOS develop any dlc/chapter about the timeline push forward before the whole map is filled (which at this rate will take probably 10 years at least), we can only guess what will happen 
Here is my guess:
1.Aldmeri Dominion. I wouldn't call AD alliance unstable, however, the only reason this alliance exist in the first place is its leader, Queen Ayreen. Khajiit joined in because of they own her personal debt, Aeradan Camoran joined in because she helped repel colovian invasion. And now that Aeradan has seen her "true form" in the orrery, silvnar restored, and new mane is selected (Shazah!!), it seems the AD is at its peak.
To me, the likely reasons for AD to fall are:
1)Death of Ayreen.(Probably the only way for AD to fall) She is young even for men standard (28), so she won't be dead by natural causes anytime soon. However, altmer supremacists will always be a problem. Tho I believe most altmers won't go that desperate to seek ally in daedric help like the veiled queen, we can see that there are plenty of altmers in AD considered themselves better than bosmer and "beastmer". Assasination is quite likely when a queen so young and already taking unusual actions.
With altmer's magic and a fully functioning dark brotherhood (unlike in skyrim), the death of Ayreen is possible, and everything will fall shortly after that: the line of "of Alinor" is gone, inheritance will be a mess with both Ayreen and Naemon dead, and the new altmer leader will probably be someone with "popular thought among altmer ppl", meaning whoever that is will probably care less about the other races. While bosmer probably will have to rely on altmer to help defend their province, they can be viewed as "lesser mer" like in the third AD therefore losing the alliance statue, and khajiit doesn't really have a reason to stay in AD after Ayreen is dead.
So, tho this is probably the only way for AD to fall, it is likely and nothing can save AD soon as Ayreen is gone.
2.Ebonheart pact. The most politically unstable alliance among three. Also, tho supposely they have the biggest land mass, both dunmer and argonian are not fully committed to the cause--- House Telvanni openly refused to join in the pact, and only murikmire, shadowfen and thornmarsh tribes have join in the pact. And tho great moot has decided the decision of EP leader must be agreed by other racial 2 leaders, it is actually not clear about who leads their entire race in EP, so again the "Great Moor Government" still need improvement to be a fully functioning government
To me, the likely reasons for EP to fall are:
1)Drop in power/Diminished pro-Pact dunmers. House like Telvanni openly refuse to join in the pact, and in morrowind, we can see many dunmers still are not used to the life without argonian slaves, I don't doubt even the most pro-Pact houses have members who can't wait to get out of the pact, and you never know with dunmeri politics. Once the voices of against-Pact have taken control the houses, dunmers will likely to leave as a whole racial group (tho probably many indivisuals will stay for some time), because honestly without Akaviri, dunmers can maintain their independence easily with living gods' presence.
2)Unfair moot decisions that triggered Argonian/Dunmer. EP leader's decision must be agreed by other two leaders, and if something happens that need immediate decision (eg full sacle Argonian slave revolt), and the leaders cannot reach an agreement, the aftermath will probably lead to one race to leave the pact, and with one gone, the other two probably won't feel the need to band toghter anymore, considering the goal of the pact is to ensure independence, with one race gone, and feud of remaining two races will be magnified and break out. Or even when the leaders have an agreement, the non-EP great houses might try to sabotage the alliance if the decision of great moot affects them.
Unlike AD, EP probably won't have inheritance problem. no matter whether pro-EP argonian/dunmer or price Irnskar take the leadership after Jorunn is dead (as long as not Fildgor, if you saved him), the leadership will most likely band together if they are able to solve the problem within their own racial group.
3.Daggerfall Convenant. I'd say the most stable alliance there is. The city states of breton seems loyal to Emeric and the cause, and with marriage tie of Fahara'jad, redguards doesn't seem to be leaving the convenant anytime soon. Tho Kurog, the original orsinium leader is dead, King Bazrag doesn't seem to be eager to leave the alliance, tho he stated new negotiation is needed. Many independent orc clans have joined in the alliance like seamount clan, and orsinium probably still need the protection of convenant from reachmen (at least, rather than getting attack from both sides), three races have band together despite the odds. DC also has a relatively clear line of succession, Emeric-Fahara'jad-Emeric son (who is half redguard), that will last for a while. Also, DC is a large reason why the other alliances exist at all---EP exist to resist conquer from possible future empire (which is the goal of DC), AD exist because they don't want men to have the throne (tho, honestly, while Tiber Septim proves that altmers may eventually accept a men leader, most of other races will probably not accept an elven supremacist emperor).
To me, the likely reason for DC to fall are:
1)Crowns win. Fahara'jad and his loyal redguards are mostly forebears, with open minds that don't always stick to the isolated Yokudan way. However if the threat of Molag bal is cleared, the truth between crowns and forebears may not last long. Tho with DC's help, forebears will probably not lose a civil war, but if it happens, at least half of the hammerfell will leave the convenant (still, probably not something will destroy DC enitrely, but it is a possibility)
2)Some other malacath-worshipping orc rasie to kinghood. Bazrag doesn't agree to Kurog's trinimac way, but still he understand the reason to band orcs together, and he does not repel the trinimac worshippers entirely. King Bazrag is the racial leader DC needed in order to keep orisinum orcs in the alliance. So if Bazrag is killed in the banner war or another war against reachmen, or the reachmen are dealt with and tension between orcs and breton/redguard intensifies, orsinium orcs will leave the convenant.
These two reasons, depends on how the situation unfolds, may not lead to the total destruction of convenant, and also there are two big "if" when I said about repel molag bal and dealt reachmen. Also, actually the downfall of DC may very well lead to the downfall of other alliances---no man-emperor in a while may lead to altmer supremacist focus more on inner political fight and weaken/destroy AD (still need Ayreen died tho), and EP will disband as soon as their independence is no longer threaten.
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FOR THE CONVENANT!!!
Here is my guess:
1.Aldmeri Dominion. I wouldn't call AD alliance unstable, however, the only reason this alliance exist in the first place is its leader, Queen Ayreen. Khajiit joined in because of they own her personal debt, Aeradan Camoran joined in because she helped repel colovian invasion. And now that Aeradan has seen her "true form" in the orrery, silvnar restored, and new mane is selected (Shazah!!), it seems the AD is at its peak.
To me, the likely reasons for AD to fall are:
1)Death of Ayreen.(Probably the only way for AD to fall) She is young even for men standard (28), so she won't be dead by natural causes anytime soon. However, altmer supremacists will always be a problem. Tho I believe most altmers won't go that desperate to seek ally in daedric help like the veiled queen, we can see that there are plenty of altmers in AD considered themselves better than bosmer and "beastmer". Assasination is quite likely when a queen so young and already taking unusual actions.
With altmer's magic and a fully functioning dark brotherhood (unlike in skyrim), the death of Ayreen is possible, and everything will fall shortly after that: the line of "of Alinor" is gone, inheritance will be a mess with both Ayreen and Naemon dead, and the new altmer leader will probably be someone with "popular thought among altmer ppl", meaning whoever that is will probably care less about the other races. While bosmer probably will have to rely on altmer to help defend their province, they can be viewed as "lesser mer" like in the third AD therefore losing the alliance statue, and khajiit doesn't really have a reason to stay in AD after Ayreen is dead.
So, tho this is probably the only way for AD to fall, it is likely and nothing can save AD soon as Ayreen is gone.
2.Ebonheart pact. The most politically unstable alliance among three. Also, tho supposely they have the biggest land mass, both dunmer and argonian are not fully committed to the cause--- House Telvanni openly refused to join in the pact, and only murikmire, shadowfen and thornmarsh tribes have join in the pact. And tho great moot has decided the decision of EP leader must be agreed by other racial 2 leaders, it is actually not clear about who leads their entire race in EP, so again the "Great Moor Government" still need improvement to be a fully functioning government
To me, the likely reasons for EP to fall are:
1)Drop in power/Diminished pro-Pact dunmers. House like Telvanni openly refuse to join in the pact, and in morrowind, we can see many dunmers still are not used to the life without argonian slaves, I don't doubt even the most pro-Pact houses have members who can't wait to get out of the pact, and you never know with dunmeri politics. Once the voices of against-Pact have taken control the houses, dunmers will likely to leave as a whole racial group (tho probably many indivisuals will stay for some time), because honestly without Akaviri, dunmers can maintain their independence easily with living gods' presence.
2)Unfair moot decisions that triggered Argonian/Dunmer. EP leader's decision must be agreed by other two leaders, and if something happens that need immediate decision (eg full sacle Argonian slave revolt), and the leaders cannot reach an agreement, the aftermath will probably lead to one race to leave the pact, and with one gone, the other two probably won't feel the need to band toghter anymore, considering the goal of the pact is to ensure independence, with one race gone, and feud of remaining two races will be magnified and break out. Or even when the leaders have an agreement, the non-EP great houses might try to sabotage the alliance if the decision of great moot affects them.
Unlike AD, EP probably won't have inheritance problem. no matter whether pro-EP argonian/dunmer or price Irnskar take the leadership after Jorunn is dead (as long as not Fildgor, if you saved him), the leadership will most likely band together if they are able to solve the problem within their own racial group.
3.Daggerfall Convenant. I'd say the most stable alliance there is. The city states of breton seems loyal to Emeric and the cause, and with marriage tie of Fahara'jad, redguards doesn't seem to be leaving the convenant anytime soon. Tho Kurog, the original orsinium leader is dead, King Bazrag doesn't seem to be eager to leave the alliance, tho he stated new negotiation is needed. Many independent orc clans have joined in the alliance like seamount clan, and orsinium probably still need the protection of convenant from reachmen (at least, rather than getting attack from both sides), three races have band together despite the odds. DC also has a relatively clear line of succession, Emeric-Fahara'jad-Emeric son (who is half redguard), that will last for a while. Also, DC is a large reason why the other alliances exist at all---EP exist to resist conquer from possible future empire (which is the goal of DC), AD exist because they don't want men to have the throne (tho, honestly, while Tiber Septim proves that altmers may eventually accept a men leader, most of other races will probably not accept an elven supremacist emperor).
To me, the likely reason for DC to fall are:
1)Crowns win. Fahara'jad and his loyal redguards are mostly forebears, with open minds that don't always stick to the isolated Yokudan way. However if the threat of Molag bal is cleared, the truth between crowns and forebears may not last long. Tho with DC's help, forebears will probably not lose a civil war, but if it happens, at least half of the hammerfell will leave the convenant (still, probably not something will destroy DC enitrely, but it is a possibility)
2)Some other malacath-worshipping orc rasie to kinghood. Bazrag doesn't agree to Kurog's trinimac way, but still he understand the reason to band orcs together, and he does not repel the trinimac worshippers entirely. King Bazrag is the racial leader DC needed in order to keep orisinum orcs in the alliance. So if Bazrag is killed in the banner war or another war against reachmen, or the reachmen are dealt with and tension between orcs and breton/redguard intensifies, orsinium orcs will leave the convenant.
These two reasons, depends on how the situation unfolds, may not lead to the total destruction of convenant, and also there are two big "if" when I said about repel molag bal and dealt reachmen. Also, actually the downfall of DC may very well lead to the downfall of other alliances---no man-emperor in a while may lead to altmer supremacist focus more on inner political fight and weaken/destroy AD (still need Ayreen died tho), and EP will disband as soon as their independence is no longer threaten.
And finally....
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FOR THE CONVENANT!!!
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✭✭✭Doesn't the empire gain its strength back after a certain point, but then the Dominion wins. DC pretty much ceases to exist and all the EP races go back to hating each other and the dominion starts to infiltrate even areas of skyrim .5 -
IwakuraLain42✭✭✭✭✭Cliff Notes: The alliances will all fall apart in the next 200 years, new alliances will form (I think the Dominion will reform) until a guy named Tiber Septim shows up and conquers all of Tamriel under his Empire.4 -
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✭✭Doesn't the empire gain its strength back after a certain point, but then the Dominion wins. DC pretty much ceases to exist and all the EP races go back to hating each other and the dominion starts to infiltrate even areas of skyrim .
According to known lore:
Cuhlecain, the Colovian warlord, gained the throne with no indication of who previously held the throne. Which indicates no matter what happened during this 300 years between banner war and tiber conquer, imperials did not regain full power in cyrodii, or even heartland.
Then Tiber Septim united breton and nord under his banner "which previously hostile to them". There is no way of saying whether DC or EP still stands, as all three alliances are supposely hostile to "Colovian States" if that is where cuhlecain rises.
(However, since Nord and Dunmer made a truth with Tiber separately, there is high chance that EP didn't last til then, as for DC, the later conquer of hammerfell is mainly against crowns, so no way of telling if breton-forebear redguard-orc still stands)
By the time of Tiber Septim, the AD is the second AD, which includes maormer, which indicates is not the first AD, and khajiit is probably not in there since the feud with maormer.
first AD clearly gone at the time of tiber septim, the AD you mentioned is 3rd one, pretty much has no link with previous two what so ever0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AD wins, enslaves all lesser races, and leads Tamriel into golden age.Edited by MLGProPlayer on November 7, 2017 10:56AM4 -
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✭✭IwakuraLain42 wrote: »Cliff Notes: The alliances will all fall apart in the next 200 years, new alliances will form (I think the Dominion will reform) until a guy named Tiber Septim shows up and conquers all of Tamriel under his Empire.
Aye I know...however I don't think all three alliances can make it that far til Septim show upDidn't it all end with the coming of Tiber Septim
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✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »AD wins, enslaves all lesser races, and leads Tamriel into golden age.
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The_Smilemeister✭✭✭✭✭There's cleary some DC bias in this thread.
I love you you failed to mention the Redguard army in Stormhaven or the territorial dispute in Bangkorai. You alliance is no more stable than the other alliances, and is in fact, in some ways, even less stable than the rest. And unlike the other alliances, your alliance's cause was lost before it could even begin.
In EP and AD, allied soldiers and agents may move around freely. In DC, an army can't even accompany their VIP without there being fears of invasion or war. And Bangkorai? For a "stable" alliance, surely an issue such as this would've been resolved. I can't think of any border disputes in AD or EP, and they're apparently less stable.
As for your cause, we know that EP and AD's would inevitably fail since each alliance withered away after the Alliance War and the re-emerged AD was swiftly crushed by the Third Empire, but at least there was a sense of achievability. EP wanted independence from foreign powers, AD wanted to restore Elven rule. DC? They want to revive a dead empire. Don't you guys know how it works? When one empire falls, it leaves a pathway for another to emerge. You can't fight for something that's already dead and that's exactly what DC is doing.
You also give you alliance too much credit. Your alliance didn't play a role in the creation of any of the other alliances. They each have their own reason, like yours did. Just because your cause clashes with the causes of others, it doesn't mean you're the reason their causes exist.
There's no such thing as a stable alliance in ESO as they all have their quirks and problems. But if there was ever a posterboy for a clearly stable alliance, DC would be far from it.Edited by The_Smilemeister on November 7, 2017 11:10AM5 -
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✭✭✭Well we know in future AD reforms and gets called the New Aldmeri Dominion and even manage to get to the imperial city and force the emporer to ban Talos worship.
AD still exists in some form in the future so they are the default winners.
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✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »There's cleary some DC bias in this thread.
I love you you failed to mention the Redguard army in Stormhaven or the territorial dispute in Bangkorai. You alliance is no more stable than the other alliances, and is in fact, in some ways, even less stable than the rest. And unlike the other alliances, your alliance's cause was lost before it could even begin.
In EP and AD, allied soldiers and agents may move around freely. In DC, an army can't even accompany their VIP without there being fears of invasion or war. And Bangkorai? For a "stable" alliance, surely an issue such as this would've been resolved. I can't think of any border disputes in AD or EP, and they're apparently less stable.
As for your cause, we know that EP and AD's would inevitably fail since each alliance withered away after the Alliance War and the re-emerged AD was swiftly crushed by the Third Empire, but at least there was a sense of achievability. EP wanted independence from foreign powers, AD wanted to restore Elven rule. DC? They want to revive a dead empire. Don't you guys know how it works? When one empire falls, it leaves a pathway for another to emerge. You can't fight for something that's already dead and that's exactly what DC is doing.
You also give you alliance too much credit. Your alliance didn't play a role in the creation of any of the other alliances. They each have their own reason, like yours did. Just because your cause clashes with the causes of others, it doesn't mean you're the reason their causes exist.
There's no such thing as a stable alliance in ESO as they all have their quirks and problems. But if there was ever a posterboy for a clearly stable alliance, DC would be far from it.
DC's cause is to make a united tamriel not "revive a dead empire".
In fact, the "dead empire" isn't even remotely a representation of united tamriel, as it only is "Cyrodii Empire"
The reason why DC armies can't move freely between each alliance member territory, is stated in the start of orsinium, it is agreed by convenant that orc territory should be independent and no breton and redguard army should enter. There is possibly similar lines about breton and redguard territory, and of course ppl worries when what is agreed upon is about to be broke0 -
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✭✭Well we know in future AD reforms and gets called the New Aldmeri Dominion and even manage to get to the imperial city and force the emporer to ban Talos worship.
AD still exists in some form in the future so they are the default winners.
Gg EP and DC all that ap farming and purple alliance crap comes to an end
First AD and third have 700 years+ time gap, if you call that "default winners" then DC's goal was achieve when Tiber united tamriel, and AD's supreme rule never truly established on tamriel-scale1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As far as game design goes, it will probably never have an ending. BGS won't refer to any winner in upcoming TES titles. ZOS won't end the war.
As far as Lore (unofficial) is concerned, this is how it ends:
A stalemate settles in and none of the three Alliances are able take the Ruby Throne and hold it.
Daggerfall Covenant, facing events that could lead to the Orcs breaking from the alliance, begins to seek a truce. The other two alliances, sizing up the cost of the war, and the inevitability of an unbroken stalemate, follow Daggerfall in a cautious truce. The truce results in the armies of each alliance being withdrawn from Cyrodiil, and by the end of the 6th century, the Three Banners War has ended with no victor.
Cyrodiil returns to being the homeland of the Imperials, and slowly the remnants of the war are erased from the land. Over the next 260 years following the Three Banners War, a string of unimportant Emperors sit on the throne in Cyrodiil, largely ignored by anyone outside of Cyrodiil. The leaders of the former Alliances warily watch each other for signs that one of them will break the truce and attempt to sieze control of Cyrodiil, but in the time following the War, none of them do.
This ends around 2E850, when Cuhlecain sets his sights on being Emperor and ultimately attacks the Imperial City and assumes the throne in 2E854. By the time this happens, the former Alliances are ill-prepared for war in Cyrodiil, and it is this event that quickly leads the way for Tiber Septim to become Emperor and in 2E896, the Third Empire is born.Edited by Elsonso on November 7, 2017 11:36AMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭lordrichter wrote: »As far as game design goes, it will probably never have an ending. BGS won't refer to any winner in upcoming TES titles. ZOS won't end the war.
As far as Lore (unofficial) is concerned, this is how it ends:
A stalemate settles in and none of the three Alliances are able take the Ruby Throne and hold it.
Daggerfall Covenant, facing events that could lead to the Orcs breaking from the alliance, begins to seek a truce. The other two alliances, sizing up the cost of the war, and the inevitability of an unbroken stalemate, follow Daggerfall in a cautious truce. The truce results in the armies of each alliance being withdrawn from Cyrodiil, and by the end of the 6th century, the Three Banners War has ended with no victor.
Cyrodiil returns to being the homeland of the Imperials, and slowly the remnants of the war are erased from the land. Over the next 260 years following the Three Banners War, a string of unimportant Emperors sit on the throne in Cyrodiil, largely ignored by anyone outside of Cyrodiil. The leaders of the former Alliances warily watch each other for signs that one of them will break the truce and attempt to sieze control of Cyrodiil, but in the time following the War, none of them do.
This ends around 2E850, when Cuhlecain sets his sights on being Emperor and ultimately attacks the Imperial City and assumes the throne in 2E854. By the time this happens, the former Alliances are ill-prepared for war in Cyrodiil, and it is this event that quickly leads the way for Tiber Septim to become Emperor and in 2E896, the Third Empire is born.
This is very likely...however I doubt the alliances can really exist without war tho, their internal problem is too big to settle in peace time
To me they will crumble one by one, even the last one standing won't enjoy the victory for long before fallen to their own problem once their outside enemies have been dealt with0 -
The_Smilemeister✭✭✭✭✭The_Smilemeister wrote: »There's cleary some DC bias in this thread.
I love you you failed to mention the Redguard army in Stormhaven or the territorial dispute in Bangkorai. You alliance is no more stable than the other alliances, and is in fact, in some ways, even less stable than the rest. And unlike the other alliances, your alliance's cause was lost before it could even begin.
In EP and AD, allied soldiers and agents may move around freely. In DC, an army can't even accompany their VIP without there being fears of invasion or war. And Bangkorai? For a "stable" alliance, surely an issue such as this would've been resolved. I can't think of any border disputes in AD or EP, and they're apparently less stable.
As for your cause, we know that EP and AD's would inevitably fail since each alliance withered away after the Alliance War and the re-emerged AD was swiftly crushed by the Third Empire, but at least there was a sense of achievability. EP wanted independence from foreign powers, AD wanted to restore Elven rule. DC? They want to revive a dead empire. Don't you guys know how it works? When one empire falls, it leaves a pathway for another to emerge. You can't fight for something that's already dead and that's exactly what DC is doing.
You also give you alliance too much credit. Your alliance didn't play a role in the creation of any of the other alliances. They each have their own reason, like yours did. Just because your cause clashes with the causes of others, it doesn't mean you're the reason their causes exist.
There's no such thing as a stable alliance in ESO as they all have their quirks and problems. But if there was ever a posterboy for a clearly stable alliance, DC would be far from it.
DC's cause is to make a united tamriel not "revive a dead empire".
In fact, the "dead empire" isn't even remotely a representation of united tamriel, as it only is "Cyrodii Empire"
The reason why DC armies can't move freely between each alliance member territory, is stated in the start of orsinium, it is agreed by convenant that orc territory should be independent and no breton and redguard army should enter. There is possibly similar lines about breton and redguard territory, and of course ppl worries when what is agreed upon is about to be broke
Uniting Tamriel by restoring the Second Empire. DC want to revive a long dead empire. Like I said, when an empire dies, a new one arises to take its place. DC is not trying to create a new empire. They're trying to revive a dead one.
Okay, so Orc territory can't be marched through. Last I checked, Stormhaven was Breton territory. As for "possible lines", unless those lines are actually written, it's just an example of hysteria that still exists in Breton society towards their old Redguard enemies. Again, proof that DC is not a stable alliance as you claim. EP races are probably more greater enemies towards each other than DC races are, and they still let each other's forces step foot in their provinces.
(Also, the Empire of Cyrodiil is an empire in name only. It doesn't function like any empire would as it's simply a broken state.)Edited by The_Smilemeister on November 7, 2017 11:56AM0 -
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✭✭✭Well we know in future AD reforms and gets called the New Aldmeri Dominion and even manage to get to the imperial city and force the emporer to ban Talos worship.
AD still exists in some form in the future so they are the default winners.
Gg EP and DC all that ap farming and purple alliance crap comes to an end
First AD and third have 700 years+ time gap, if you call that "default winners" then DC's goal was achieve when Tiber united tamriel, and AD's supreme rule never truly established on tamriel-scale
Erm except he had strong Nordic connections and so could have been associated with EP. In fact probably more with EP and in the end, his rule finished too like everyone else has.
He united tamriel with bloodshed and death anyway. You're acting like he did it with peace.
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »As far as game design goes, it will probably never have an ending. BGS won't refer to any winner in upcoming TES titles. ZOS won't end the war.
As far as Lore (unofficial) is concerned, this is how it ends:
A stalemate settles in and none of the three Alliances are able take the Ruby Throne and hold it.
Daggerfall Covenant, facing events that could lead to the Orcs breaking from the alliance, begins to seek a truce. The other two alliances, sizing up the cost of the war, and the inevitability of an unbroken stalemate, follow Daggerfall in a cautious truce. The truce results in the armies of each alliance being withdrawn from Cyrodiil, and by the end of the 6th century, the Three Banners War has ended with no victor.
Cyrodiil returns to being the homeland of the Imperials, and slowly the remnants of the war are erased from the land. Over the next 260 years following the Three Banners War, a string of unimportant Emperors sit on the throne in Cyrodiil, largely ignored by anyone outside of Cyrodiil. The leaders of the former Alliances warily watch each other for signs that one of them will break the truce and attempt to sieze control of Cyrodiil, but in the time following the War, none of them do.
This ends around 2E850, when Cuhlecain sets his sights on being Emperor and ultimately attacks the Imperial City and assumes the throne in 2E854. By the time this happens, the former Alliances are ill-prepared for war in Cyrodiil, and it is this event that quickly leads the way for Tiber Septim to become Emperor and in 2E896, the Third Empire is born.
This is very likely...however I doubt the alliances can really exist without war tho, their internal problem is too big to settle in peace time
To me they will crumble one by one, even the last one standing won't enjoy the victory for long before fallen to their own problem once their outside enemies have been dealt with
Yes, they all crumble after the war. When alliances are built for the purpose of war, they tend to fall apart.
Daggerfall Covenant was the first to crumble because the Orcs are both contentious and strong. The fragile truce between Bretons and Orcs could not be held together for long. It was only a matter of time before disagreement led to arguments and that resulted in the open conflict that destroyed the Alliance.
Aldmeri Dominion was nothing more than an opportunity for the Altmer to grab power, a situation not unlike what happened in the early 4th Era. The Bosmer and Khajiit were only in the Alliance because of the strength of the High Elf leaders. This Alliance simply decayed over time as a series of High Elf leaders increasingly exploited the others for personal gain. The Bosmer and Khajiit were little more than vassals of the Dominion. In the end, they had no reason to fight for the Dominion.
The uneasy truce between the Dunmer and the Argonians never had a chance to stand the test of time. The Nords and Dunmer continued to be friendly, but the history between the Dunmer and Argonians doomed Ebonheart Pact from the start. Thanks to the Orcs and the Daggerfall Covenant, the Argonians never had need to violently break from the Pact. With the war on hold, Black Marsh simply distanced itself from the Pact. As each of the three increasingly went about their own business, the Pact turned into nothing more than a convenient trade alliance. The leader of the Pact became little more than an arbiter of disputes, and even that became less important as the Argonians continued to distance themselves from the Dunmer.
By the time the Ruby Throne began to consolidate the various areas of Tamriel under their banner, the three Alliances were in shambles and in no position to counter this rising threat. The very land that they once fought for came and conquered them.Edited by Elsonso on November 7, 2017 12:47PMXBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭✭✭✭✭Well we know in future AD reforms and gets called the New Aldmeri Dominion and even manage to get to the imperial city and force the emporer to ban Talos worship.
AD still exists in some form in the future so they are the default winners.
Gg EP and DC all that ap farming and purple alliance crap comes to an end
First AD and third have 700 years+ time gap, if you call that "default winners" then DC's goal was achieve when Tiber united tamriel, and AD's supreme rule never truly established on tamriel-scale
Erm except he had strong Nordic connections and so could have been associated with EP. In fact probably more with EP and in the end, his rule finished too like everyone else has.
He united tamriel with bloodshed and death anyway. You're acting like he did it with peace.
You either joined him or died and apparently High Elves are the bad guys
Well, according to "official" version, he's Atmoran, however, there are some implications that the heretical version might be closer to the truth.
And I find it kinda weird that Talos has become the most popular Nordic god in 4th era... I think it was Thalmor's fault after all, they shouldnt have underestimated the Streisand effect.
P.S. I agree that the conquest isnt the most benevolent thing, to say the least. Well, Tiber even used Cheat Numidium engine to defeat those elves, I doubt he cared about anything except his ambitions.Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 7, 2017 12:46PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
Daggerfall Covenant was the first to crumble because the Orcs are both contentious and strong. The fragile truce between Bretons and Orcs could not be held together for long. It was only a matter of time before disagreement led to arguments and that resulted in the open conflict that destroyed the Alliance.
them.
In TES 2: Daggerfall, orcs arent even considered to be a "race", theyre treated as goblins etc.
Which is really sad.
I mean, its just a gameplay thing but if you look at it from lore perspective, it kinda makes sense... Bretons could actually think that orcs are nothing more than vile beasts.
Bretons and Redguards arent on good terms with each other as well. Their united forces destroyed Orsinium, but then Redguards were betrayed by Breton king. Some of the most famous Redguard heroes, like Gaiden Shinji and Makela Leki, died in that war.Edited by LadyNalcarya on November 7, 2017 1:04PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭It'll end because of elves. The dirty elves are like 99 percent of Tamriel's problems.They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
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✭✭Technically the argonians win as they can't die meaning that they can't lose, no matter who rules tamriel they will die eventually, while the same argonians that fight now will be alive then.
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Pinja✭✭✭✭Well we know in future AD reforms and gets called the New Aldmeri Dominion and even manage to get to the imperial city and force the emporer to ban Talos worship.
AD still exists in some form in the future so they are the default winners.
Gg EP and DC all that ap farming and purple alliance crap comes to an end
The only reason that third alliance even exists is because Tiber septum didn't treat you like they did the Snowelfs. It existed out of ancestral heritage & history like the dawn guard not survival. We can only guess how it'll play out with them & the nords now in the latest ark.0 -
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✭✭✭Sheogorath will eat some bad cheese causing an intestinal disturbance triggering a transformation into Jygalagg. Jygalagg will begin the process of turning everything back to zero, order, so that all may begin anew.
The threat so large that all three alliances, daedric princes and daedra form an alliance, called the Mega Powers (as a nod to Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage) to stop the apocalypse. An Imperial fighting for the Daggerfall Covenant and now for the Mega Powers, one called Publius Scipio, will verbally assault Jygalagg. Calling him (among other things) Jiggly Lag and blaming him for the lag in Cyrodiil.
Jygalagg will become incensed that a mortal is in his face like that. Scipio will make a wager, an offer Jygalagg can’t refuse as Marlon “The Godfather” Brando would say. Scipio’s soul (which he recently got back), the Biceps of the Covenant, the Second Son of Cyrodiil.... His soul.... In exchange for Jygalagg leaving Mundus as is.
And so Jiggly Lag accepts, Scipio’s soul departs Mundus, and the Alliance War ends and the free peoples of Nirn and the daedra love and harmony and peace for an era.
*Scene After Movie Credits Roll*A portal opens up and Scipio falls out of it and rolls on the floor. The ominous voice of Jygalagg is heard telling Scipio to “stay the F[snip] out and don’t come back! I can’t take you anymore!”
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✭✭✭grannas211 wrote: »I could tell you were a DC fan before even getting to the end.
I ain’t no alliance hopper or alt fetishist.0
Do you have link or anything? Didn't know the game only planned to have 10 years plan 