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Does ZOS Actually Know What Class Balance Is?
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Apache_Kid, +Rally. I realize you might not think of this if you're used to PvE, but the ability to apply Rally from stealth in addition to the healing effect, makes it very useful for Stamblades to shore up that weakness.1 -
rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Atleast magika wardens got a buff this patch. They are doing close to 39k on 6 mill dummy now. Still waiting for magplar and mDK to be on par with sorcs and nightblades.I play how I want to.0 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.
https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.3 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
Okay, worth noting, one of the major strengths of the NB is you don't need to fight everything on the map to get from where you are to where you want to be. In fact, being able to pick your battles is a major part of learning to play a NB.1 -
Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
And how exactly do we do that? Do you mean Magma Armor? Lol. Deep Breath? Standard? Talons? In what way does a MagDK have a means of handling 1vX encounters easier than a NB (magicka or stamina variant)...? Especially with the CWC changes. I’m genuinely curious, because as I said. I’ve yet to find said proof of this. Where as if I were on a NB, I could just Fear and Cloak away. Or pet teleport. Or just be cocky and delete the opposition 1 by 1, all the while fueling the insanely strong (yet low-cost) ult that makes things even more easier. And if I’m the BombBlade variant, it just makes the given situation even more sloppy. But, I have a feeling that there is no reason to indulge in how potent BombBlades are. Lol. I’m sure we all know just how disgustingly overturned that particular NB variant is.Edited by Ch4mpTW on November 7, 2017 3:10AM2 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
Okay, worth noting, one of the major strengths of the NB is you don't need to fight everything on the map to get from where you are to where you want to be. In fact, being able to pick your battles is a major part of learning to play a NB.starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
Okay, worth noting, one of the major strengths of the NB is you don't need to fight everything on the map to get from where you are to where you want to be. In fact, being able to pick your battles is a major part of learning to play a NB.
Obviously NB is strongest when you can pick your battles and make sure you see the other person first. However I tend to play a style more akin to how a stamplar or stamdk would play and not be a typical "gank blade".
Your solution of fleeing from battle proves my point that they are not as strong as other classes outside of duels. Furthermore, even attempting to flee can be impossible if you get pulled out of cloak the second you cast it because there is some sort of Dot that pulls you out.
Nightblades are the class that ganks you from stealth and bombs big groups of pugs on flags so it's the class that gets the most grief when those are the ONLY two things they excel at in Cyrodiil. Don't even get me started on how bad they are in objective game modes in Battlegrounds.Edited by Apache_Kid on November 7, 2017 3:29AM0 -
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✭✭I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying (
) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭magDK is ESO hard-mode with no doubt.
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✭✭✭✭I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.0 -
Insanepirate01✭✭✭There's no point to using a magdk over any Stam class as they're melee and need off balance to sustain. If you're going to use mag using a ranged class, seems to be the consensus. In PvP they can hold their own in the right hands but they could definitely use some buffs. On the other hand I do hope they don't nerf NBs anymore they're finally in a good place now.1
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
Okay, worth noting, one of the major strengths of the NB is you don't need to fight everything on the map to get from where you are to where you want to be. In fact, being able to pick your battles is a major part of learning to play a NB.
Obviously NB is strongest when you can pick your battles and make sure you see the other person first. However I tend to play a style more akin to how a stamplar or stamdk would play and not be a typical "gank blade".
Your solution of fleeing from battle proves my point that they are not as strong as other classes outside of duels. Furthermore, even attempting to flee can be impossible if you get pulled out of cloak the second you cast it because there is some sort of Dot that pulls you out.
Nightblades are the class that ganks you from stealth and bombs big groups of pugs on flags so it's the class that gets the most grief when those are the ONLY two things they excel at in Cyrodiil. Don't even get me started on how bad they are in objective game modes in Battlegrounds.
Uh... yeah. So, worth noting, if you try to play any class like it's another class, you're going to be in for a bad time. In fact, that was a major problem with Deltia, for years, complaining about how only the DK was viable, because he'd log into another class and try to play it like a DK.
1vX on a NB, requires you to be efficient enough that your foes can't regroup and keep it together. It is a hit and run approach, but with the frequency cranked way up.
And yes, this does work. You can get away with stuff on a NB, that wouldn't work for any other class. Problem is, if you're going to try to play a NB as if they were a Templar or DK, that's not going to work, at all.1 -
Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
Okay, worth noting, one of the major strengths of the NB is you don't need to fight everything on the map to get from where you are to where you want to be. In fact, being able to pick your battles is a major part of learning to play a NB.
Obviously NB is strongest when you can pick your battles and make sure you see the other person first. However I tend to play a style more akin to how a stamplar or stamdk would play and not be a typical "gank blade".
Your solution of fleeing from battle proves my point that they are not as strong as other classes outside of duels. Furthermore, even attempting to flee can be impossible if you get pulled out of cloak the second you cast it because there is some sort of Dot that pulls you out.
Nightblades are the class that ganks you from stealth and bombs big groups of pugs on flags so it's the class that gets the most grief when those are the ONLY two things they excel at in Cyrodiil. Don't even get me started on how bad they are in objective game modes in Battlegrounds.
Uh... yeah. So, worth noting, if you try to play any class like it's another class, you're going to be in for a bad time. In fact, that was a major problem with Deltia, for years, complaining about how only the DK was viable, because he'd log into another class and try to play it like a DK.
1vX on a NB, requires you to be efficient enough that your foes can't regroup and keep it together. It is a hit and run approach, but with the frequency cranked way up.
And yes, this does work. You can get away with stuff on a NB, that wouldn't work for any other class. Problem is, if you're going to try to play a NB as if they were a Templar or DK, that's not going to work, at all.
Yes I'm aware of the difficulty of doing that. I'm not saying that they need to be buffed to be more suitable to a different play-style, rather my over-arching point was that they are not the dominant class in PvP at all. Yes they excel at niche rolls such as banking and bombing but if they continue to nerf those things then NB will no longer excel at anything at all.0 -
CrazyWolf712✭✭✭Nightblade’s and sorcerers are the two most used classes in the game. And nightblades are overpowered in PvP. The only counter they had were heavy armor dps builds but guess that’s not gonna happen anymore. RIP wrath passive...GT - CrazyWolf712
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Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.
Not if you are a stam sorc.
Cloak is literally better than streak in every way. You can use it to freely reposition, it won't overshoot you off a cliff or into lava, it cancels incoming attacks, and has no penalty to being spammed. Plus it is much easier to use in order to line of sight, and when combined with Shadow Image, it is even more silly.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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Apache_Kid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.
Not if you are a stam sorc.
Cloak is literally better than streak in every way. You can use it to freely reposition, it won't overshoot you off a cliff or into lava, it cancels incoming attacks, and has no penalty to being spammed. Plus it is much easier to use in order to line of sight, and when combined with Shadow Image, it is even more silly.
If You are a stamsorc having trouble with NBs you need to adjust what you are doing. Stamsorc is almost hard counter to my NB it seems. Keep that hurricane up and I can't get close to you at all in cloak.2 -
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Yes Nightblades are strong very strong in fact in terms of single target we are Kings and Queens. I would agree you can farm sweet AP on a Nightblade. stealth nuke 4 guys take your AP and the group or more likely Zerg they are in is still just as strong. Nightblades can get kills on the person but unless you’re a bomber you suck at group play.
All HoTs no burst heal. You are damn right the hardest hitting ultimate and it’s one use single target melee range. Overload is better at single target sure it’s slow but you have more then one to fire. One death kills a player and does nothing to his team.NBs are the most useless when it comes to PVP group play.
Useless tanks, handicaped healers and mostly single target DPS unless you're a glass canon bomb blade who's relevant for 6 seconds of the fight every 250 ultimate.
Single target, yes they're good but if that got taken away from NBs then there is genuinely genuinely no point in the class existing.
Pls don't forget NBs have no burst heals and no class related shields. I mean, their best heal cost health!!! To cast in the first place
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✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
And how exactly do we do that? Do you mean Magma Armor? Lol. Deep Breath? Standard? Talons? In what way does a MagDK have a means of handling 1vX encounters easier than a NB (magicka or stamina variant)...? Especially with the CWC changes. I’m genuinely curious, because as I said. I’ve yet to find said proof of this. Where as if I were on a NB, I could just Fear and Cloak away. Or pet teleport. Or just be cocky and delete the opposition 1 by 1, all the while fueling the insanely strong (yet low-cost) ult that makes things even more easier. And if I’m the BombBlade variant, it just makes the given situation even more sloppy. But, I have a feeling that there is no reason to indulge in how potent BombBlades are. Lol. I’m sure we all know just how disgustingly overturned that particular NB variant is.
Anyone that thinks Cloak is good has no credit here if you don’t have a AoE the easiest counter to Cloak you deserve to lose the fight. Fear was nerfed still good just good for 1v2 only now.I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.Apache_Kid wrote: »I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.
Not if you are a stam sorc.
Cloak is literally better than streak in every way. You can use it to freely reposition, it won't overshoot you off a cliff or into lava, it cancels incoming attacks, and has no penalty to being spammed. Plus it is much easier to use in order to line of sight, and when combined with Shadow Image, it is even more silly.
Cloak is useless for getting away you are in the same place you don’t move with Cloak, can’t sprint or roll. Hit one AoE and oh hey there he is. Shadow Image is funny how people fall for they if you start taking damage from a standing shade the Nightblade will run from in and port back to it really the one trick with that power and it still works.
There is where Cloak is useful when no one can see where you cloaked and you are out of range of AoEs. Cloak is a joke if you can’t counter in by now that’s a you problem L2P can’t be applied to you if you don’t want to learn.
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✭✭✭✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
I'm not going to watch a video of a duel because I already stated NBs excel in 1v1 combat in a duel setting in my original post. I'm talking about open PvP play in Cyrodiil. MagDk much better equipped to deal with many situations including those when you are outnumbered.
And how exactly do we do that? Do you mean Magma Armor? Lol. Deep Breath? Standard? Talons? In what way does a MagDK have a means of handling 1vX encounters easier than a NB (magicka or stamina variant)...? Especially with the CWC changes. I’m genuinely curious, because as I said. I’ve yet to find said proof of this. Where as if I were on a NB, I could just Fear and Cloak away. Or pet teleport. Or just be cocky and delete the opposition 1 by 1, all the while fueling the insanely strong (yet low-cost) ult that makes things even more easier. And if I’m the BombBlade variant, it just makes the given situation even more sloppy. But, I have a feeling that there is no reason to indulge in how potent BombBlades are. Lol. I’m sure we all know just how disgustingly overturned that particular NB variant is.
Anyone that thinks Cloak is good has no credit here if you don’t have a AoE the easiest counter to Cloak you deserve to lose the fight. Fear was nerfed still good just good for 1v2 only now.I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.Apache_Kid wrote: »I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.
Not if you are a stam sorc.
Cloak is literally better than streak in every way. You can use it to freely reposition, it won't overshoot you off a cliff or into lava, it cancels incoming attacks, and has no penalty to being spammed. Plus it is much easier to use in order to line of sight, and when combined with Shadow Image, it is even more silly.
Cloak is useless for getting away you are in the same place you don’t move with Cloak, can’t sprint or roll. Hit one AoE and oh hey there he is. Shadow Image is funny how people fall for they if you start taking damage from a standing shade the Nightblade will run from in and port back to it really the one trick with that power and it still works.
There is where Cloak is useful when no one can see where you cloaked and you are out of range of AoEs. Cloak is a joke if you can’t counter in by now that’s a you problem L2P can’t be applied to you if you don’t want to learn.
Couldn't agree more about cloak. People who complain about it being OP have never tried to use it under pressure. It's near impossible because you get pulled out of it by so many abilities in the game.3 -
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✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »I've been maining Stam Sorc in PVP for a couple of months now, but after a few bad matches in BG's today, I swapped over to my stamblade.
I had lower overall stats and I was doing an awful job with pulling off combos, and yet I was dropping bodies left and right.
Even in 7 medium, I had no issue living through anything.
I shudder to think what I'll be able to do once I get the hang of the class properly.
A properly played StamBlade is a very elusive and hard-to-catch combatant that can hit very hard when they see an opening.
And Magicka Nightblades are these annoying ( ) and fairly hard to kill ranged combatants with many HoTs that can drain your Stamina before you know it
Are Nightblades too strong? No
Are they too weak? No
I definitely wasn't playing stamblade properly and still felt almost impossible to pin down.
I don't know why people think Streak is OP in terms of mobility, because cloak is just so much better.
Streak in conjunction with the stacking of shields is what the issue is because you get a high mobility escape along with the ability to take a boatload of damage while also being un-crittable.
Not if you are a stam sorc.
Cloak is literally better than streak in every way. You can use it to freely reposition, it won't overshoot you off a cliff or into lava, it cancels incoming attacks, and has no penalty to being spammed. Plus it is much easier to use in order to line of sight, and when combined with Shadow Image, it is even more silly.
If You are a stamsorc having trouble with NBs you need to adjust what you are doing. Stamsorc is almost hard counter to my NB it seems. Keep that hurricane up and I can't get close to you at all in cloak.
I've never had trouble fighting nightblades as a stam sorc, it's catching them out or getting away from them that's the hard part.
Stam blade is still just a better class. More damage, better mobility and better survivability and sustain.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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Proof of that 39k dummytest or I call bs :P1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
Wow.
yeah man. This is a learn to play issue. Mag DK's are fine. I can't believe you lost a duel to a stamblade and then had the gumption to post it on the boards as if it would prove that stamblades are OP. It doesn't. He didn't even kite you. You got outplayed despite having a clear class advantage.
For starters, when you root someone, you should walk through them and attack them from behind so they can't attack you back.. that's Mag DK 101.... you also slotted petrify which can be OK but only if you pair it with meteor to make it unblockable.. but you didn't even petrify before your leaps which allowed him to block your leaps. ...
You have plenty of tools on mag DK. you just don't know how to use them. Thankfully you posted a video and can learn from your player mistakes.Edited by Thogard on November 7, 2017 7:54AMPC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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✭✭✭✭✭Apache_Kid wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »How can you honestly sit here and say MagDk is worse off as a class in Cyrodiil right now than Stamblades are. I'm speechless.
Edit: MagDk is in a bad place in PvE now but not in PvP whatsoever.
The thing about Blades is... if you know what you're doing, it is a phenomenally dangerous class. I haven't been messing around with a Stamblade in PvP since this patch hit, but, as someone who's spent the last (almost three years) learning the ins and outs of the class, and with it's state for the last couple patches before CWC, yeah, I haven no trouble believing that MagDKs are in worse shape right now, than StamBlades.
Now, fair's fair, I'm not an expert on the DK. I know my way around NBs and Sorcs; Templars and DKs have never really grabbed me in the same way. But, yeah, from what I've done with a DK in the last couple months, vs the current state of the NB? That's not really that implausible.
NBs are very fragile. If you know how to play it, you can get some fantastic results. If you don't, it can be an exercise in frustration.
Now, if there's some DK synergy that's making the MagDKs way more effective in PvP, then I'm unaware, and that one's all on me.
Shiiiiiiit. That makes you and me and both. Lmao. I’ve been actively maining a MagDK in PvP for years, with me only swapping to my NB’s when I’m incredibly annoyed with overconfident folks in PvP and want to cheese AP. Last time I brought my MagSorc into PvP was to get them the “Star-Made Knight” title. And proceeded with immediately re-spec’ing them back to PvE specifications.
@Apache_Kid So please, do share if you know something that we don’t know about how glorious MagDK’s are in PvP currently. Yes, spamming Talons and popping a Fossilize and Leap here and there are cute. Yes, very cute. Sprinkle some Flash Lashes in there too, and all that jazz. Yup. Really adorable. But please, do tell me what it is that makes MagDK’s such a threat in Battlegrounds or Cyrodiil. I can’t even solo with a MagDK comfortably, because ZOS has screwed up DK’s to be a “utility bot” while steadily draining the class variant’s utility.
All of the things you just mentioned plus having shields. StamNb currently squishest class, no heal other than vigor or shields, only option to purge is a skill that costs all their magicka which takes away the use of cloak. And most of the things you are trying to purge (haunting curse) can be reapplied right after you purge it. And cloak? Please. Try cloaking with like any dot ability on you and it will pull you out instantly. Cloak doesn't work half the time because of this and it is their only defense other than dodge roll.
StamBlades squishy...? Lol. Please watch this video of a duel I had with a StamBlade while using my MagDK a few weeks ago. It’s also why I hardly duel anymore, unless it is that I know the person and or they are friendly. I don’t waste my time with them, as I have the “Duelist” title on all the characters I aimed to have it on. There is nothing squishy about StamBlades. Please stop parroting what people falsely claim, but have no skill with.https://youtu.be/Q2BFJbhPLNw
As for issues with MagSorcs, I melt them on my StamBlade. Melt them. Melt. Them. The only time I lose to MagSorcs, is if they are a PetSorc camping mines. And even then, that type of scrubby playstyle is encountered only in duels. And hardly ever in Cyrodiil. After fear is cast, MagSorcs get annihilated. And if I’m being extra cheesy and using poisons on my StamBlade, it becomes an even bigger mess and faster defeat for the Sorc I’m targeting.
Sounds to me like you need to evaluate your StamBlade build, playstyle, or knowledge on engaging other classes.
Wow.
yeah man. This is a learn to play issue. Mag DK's are fine. I can't believe you lost a duel to a stamblade and then had the gumption to post it on the boards as if it would prove that stamblades are OP. It doesn't. He didn't even kite you. You got outplayed despite having a clear class advantage.
For starters, when you root someone, you should walk through them and attack them from behind so they can't attack you back.. that's Mag DK 101.... you also slotted petrify which can be OK but only if you pair it with meteor to make it unblockable.. but you didn't even petrify before your leaps which allowed him to block your leaps. ...
You have plenty of tools on mag DK. you just don't know how to use them. Thankfully you posted a video and can learn from your player mistakes.
No. MagDK’s are not fine. Maybe in your opinion the class is fine. But, to many people who actively utilize the class in both PvE and PvP — the class is far from fine. That’s first and foremost.
Second of all, a DK does not have an advantage against Nightblades. Especially a MagDK compared to a StamBlade. How you ask? A NB has access to multiple forms of mobility, executes, insane self-buffs, etc. And that is both from class-based skills and passive, to generic ones (e.g. 2H execute, DW execute, etc.). Where as DK’s would only receive an execute from going the stamina route, and mobility from choosing to be a vampire. In other words, a MagDK lacks mobility without becoming a vampire and even then will still lack an execute of any form. And please, do NOT tell me to try and hybrid a MagDK. That’s just downright foolish.
My build utilized in that duel was setup for Cyrodiil PvP. Not Dueling. I do not run Meteor when I’m out and about in Cyrodiil, as I prefer Leap and Standard or Magma Armor instead. Sometimes Bat Swarm (but that’s eh). The whole Fossilize into Meteor is a poor man’s combo based off of MagBlade’s Fear into Meteor. I’m not going to play my MagDK like a MagBlade. Absolutely not. They’re not setup like a MagBlade, and aren’t even close at having the advantages that a MagBlade has. I also did Fossilize into Leap if you watch the video carefully, and can say for the most part that I did quite well considering what I was up against.
Now then. To say I don’t know how to use said tools on DK? Elaborate, as DK skills as is are obnoxiously expensive. But, most of their utility-based tools don’t even let them excel for the most part at solo open world PvP. Talking about DK 101? That is DK 101. DK’s are setup by ZOS to excel at group-based activity (whether it be PvE or PvP), and in a sense be a frontline soldier. Hence why they make the best tanks out of all of the classes. Even though I have no tanks, it is quite obvious that DK’s are a class that are essentially built for it. Any tank worth his weight would tell you that DK’s make the best tanks, although you do not need a DK to be a great tank. The same can be said regarding Templars and healers.
Now then. If you are going to acknowledge said facts listed above, then you must acknowledge the fact that DK’s are not setup for 1vX or solo’ing for the most part in open world PvP. Especially MagDK’s. You may can get by solo’ing with a StamDK a lot easier regarding PvP, as you have access to multiple executes and are a stamina build to begin with. But, let’s just call it like it is. StamDK in PvP is pretty lovely. Especially in groups. But again, they can work solo. MagDK...? Hardly. MagDK is pretty much hard mode for this game as someone else mentioned. Very much so hard mode. And if you call yourself solo’ing (as I do for the most part) in open world PvP with a MagDK, you’re essentially taking the difficulty to Dark Souls level hardness. M’kay?
I appreciate you trying to educate me on that 1 particular combo, and for trying to enlighten me on DK’s. And I hear ya pumpkin. Really. I do. I hear ya loud and clear. But, I’ve been playing DK’s for a very long time. Both magicka and stamina. Magicka DK a tad bit longer than StamDK, but still for a very long time. Beta days even. Lol. I think I have a clue on how to DK’s work, and their functions in PvE and PvP. And that’s including all variants, except for healer. I have no idea how in the world a DK would be a healer, and even shudder at the idea of having a DK healer in a group with me. >_>2 -
Actually_Goku✭✭✭✭I feel like Mag DK's aren't in a terrible place right now, and you can search - I've started plenty of threads and commented in many about where we were at. A year ago, I honestly think I was one of maybe 2 Mag DK's that PVP'd on the XB EU server.
We got a buff earlier in the year, and although the class changes themselves were fine, when it was coupled with the heavy armour meta, it was a little bit too tanky. It was too easy to be able to deal a good amount of damage, while sustaining a high amount in heavy armour.
To be fair, I honestly feel right now, that we are as close to balance as we have been since console launch, especially in respect to the magicka/stamina balance.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Actually_Goku wrote: »I feel like Mag DK's aren't in a terrible place right now, and you can search - I've started plenty of threads and commented in many about where we were at. A year ago, I honestly think I was one of maybe 2 Mag DK's that PVP'd on the XB EU server.
We got a buff earlier in the year, and although the class changes themselves were fine, when it was coupled with the heavy armour meta, it was a little bit too tanky. It was too easy to be able to deal a good amount of damage, while sustaining a high amount in heavy armour.
To be fair, I honestly feel right now, that we are as close to balance as we have been since console launch, especially in respect to the magicka/stamina balance.
Lol. If ZOS gave MagDK’s an execute of some kind and basic mobility, then maybe. Just maybe I would agree that MagDK’s were remotely balanced (in accordance to other classes). Better yet, a simple (legitimate) reduction in skill cost. And you’d have me sold. But as is, there is truly no reason for me to even bother continuing about using my MagDK from a PvP perspective. It’s literally overshadowed by everyone else. Literally.
I’ll probably just convert my StamDK for PvP, and just focus learning/mastering StamDK as well as I’ve learned and mastered MagDK. Not going to waste my time anymore wrestling for MagDK equality, when I’m literally gimping myself every time I utilize it.
By the way, it’s no better for PvE. Lol. Unless your group is in need of that Engulfing Flames benefit, is in need of a chainer, or needs Deep Breath? There’s literally 0 reason to run a MagDK in trials. None. Zero. You’d be better off with Sorcs and Nightblades. Maybe even MagPlar (teehe).
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On the bright side, they buffed Cauterize. LMAO! 0 -
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✭✭Actually_Goku wrote: »I feel like Mag DK's aren't in a terrible place right now, and you can search - I've started plenty of threads and commented in many about where we were at. A year ago, I honestly think I was one of maybe 2 Mag DK's that PVP'd on the XB EU server.
We got a buff earlier in the year, and although the class changes themselves were fine, when it was coupled with the heavy armour meta, it was a little bit too tanky. It was too easy to be able to deal a good amount of damage, while sustaining a high amount in heavy armour.
To be fair, I honestly feel right now, that we are as close to balance as we have been since console launch, especially in respect to the magicka/stamina balance.
Lol. If ZOS gave MagDK’s an execute of some kind and basic mobility, then maybe. Just maybe I would agree that MagDK’s were remotely balanced (in accordance to other classes). Better yet, a simple (legitimate) reduction in skill cost. And you’d have me sold. But as is, there is truly no reason for me to even bother continuing about using my MagDK from a PvP perspective. It’s literally overshadowed by everyone else. Literally.
I’ll probably just convert my StamDK for PvP, and just focus learning/mastering StamDK as well as I’ve learned and mastered MagDK. Not going to waste my time anymore wrestling for MagDK equality, when I’m literally gimping myself every time I utilize it.
By the way, it’s no better for PvE. Lol. Unless your group is in need of that Engulfing Flames benefit, is in need of a chainer, or needs Deep Breath? There’s literally 0 reason to run a MagDK in trials. None. Zero. You’d be better off with Sorcs and Nightblades. Maybe even MagPlar (teehe).
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On the bright side, they buffed Cauterize. LMAO!
The proposed changes to off-balance should do a lot to help Mag DK out in PVE.
As far as PVP goes, I tried mine out and it felt flat out bad, though I'd say a lot of that is due to me trying to play it like a stam sorc.
The Mag DK's I've faced are either absolutely awful and are free kills, or are unkillable monsters that refuse to let you move, and slowly burn you down while you helplessly try to get away.
Honestly, good DK players terrify me.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
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✭✭✭NBs even can kill CP660 Heavy Armor players from stealth
with Surprise Attacks without giving them even a chance to react.
As long as Stealth and Surprise Attacks exist in this game,
there never will be class balance and NBs will always be the favorite class.
Edited by BalticBlues on November 7, 2017 10:19AM2