PVP is now only playable by veteran players

Minno · November 2017

KyuremBlack wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Many are missing the OP point.

ESO is VERY unfriendly to the new player due to CP grind. It’s worse then the old vet ranks, and the catch up mechanics are simply not even close to being enough. The majority of players can’t dedicate huge amounts of hours per week to the game. If I was a new player coming in, I’d quit after level 50 once I found out I had to grind 690 cp...no way I’d do that.

This is exactly what has happened too because on PC-NA below level 50 pvp is DEAD and No-CP Pvp is also dead..both served with 1 bar 95% of the time....this means new players are either quitting pretty quickly or not interested in grinding CP.

Folks need to get over this whole idea of “Digital Entitlement” there is no such thing in a video game. You have earned nothing, you have simply played a game. Win a Customer Service Award at work, get a pay raise, graduate from college, get a promotion at work..those are accomplishments...

I got news for you, 99% of the world doesn’t care about any titles you have in ESO or even what ESO is.

The community needs to be more welcoming to new players and it needs to happen soon or there won’t be a game left to play...we need to get rid of these arbitrary restrictions (gear and cp grinding) to make the game more attractive to a wider audience to fill up those pvp servers again, in order to do that though strength needs to be tied to player skill and gear, not CP grind

Just my two cents, take away my 800+ CP tommorow I don’t care if it brings in more players it’s worth it

Long time forum lurker, first time poster.

I 100% agree with this. The game needs to be welcoming to new players wanting to PVP. Coming into PVP with an experience disadvantage is one thing, as many people have played for 3+ years, but when a new player also has explicit CP disadvantages, how do you expect to stay around. In my opinion grinding for MONTHS to be on equal footing with other players just drives people away, and it seems to me PVP populations are at an all time low.

Here's the thing. I have two accounts on PC/NA. I stopped playing one regularly over a year ago with about 750+ CP. And then I leveled a new account. So here's my perspective as a veteran player, playing on a fresh account.

Grinding to 160 cP for the gear cap was the most important thing. This wasn't that bad, but it did feel comparable to grinding a toon to VR16, but probably not quite as bad. Once I hit 160 CP, I played causally in NO-CP PVP. And honestly when it was populated during the last half of last year and earlier this year, it was great. All you needed was to be 160 CP and you were good to go. To be successful you needed experience and some good gear.

I pretty much quit playing when Morrowind dropped however. I stopped being able to find decent fights in no cp. The population disappeared. Could I have gone to Thornblade/Vivec? Sure. But I'm currently at about 450 CP after just casually PVPing for a year, I'd rather not. What's the point. I know the missing CP will put me at a disadvantage, for solo play especially, and I'll consistently lose fights that I would have better chances at with full CP. If there's no action in NO-CP, I'd rather not play at all. Point is I sure as hell don't care enough to grind to 690 CP to be competitive in CP campaigns.

If you were leveling a new account - how would you feel about grinding to 690 CP to be as effective in PVP as you currently are. I would bet most people would quit instead.

It takes new players way to long to get to end game pvp. I don't see how the game can hold someones attention for that long to reach the CP cap these days, while they get consistently beaten down by max CP players with years of experience over them, without just frustrated by being disadvantaged and just quit. In my opinion ZOS, needs to at least make everyone on equal footing in PVP. Take away CP in PVP all together .Give everyone max CP when they enter Cyrodiil. It doesn't matter. They just need to gain and retain new players. The CP system/grind, and lack of population in Sotha Sil completely discourages players from sticking around.

TL;DR
No new players, no longevity, no PVP for anyone.

I like this insight. Thanks!

I can agree, the game doesn't make content accessible enough for daily play (which is where a majority of how zos can earn their cash).

For PvP, you need it open for all, but monetize some aspect of PvP. For cyro, it could be costumes or crown store items that can help make raiding enjoyable (like how the wedding costume became used as a way to find "crown" in combat). For IC they really need to bring back those fast fights in the upper district; no one wants to die and then having to deal with 2 load screens to get back into the fight. For BGs, they need to remove the Morrowind pay wall by only introduce new maps via cheap DLC and the objectives need to be looser, or just keep choas ball + one randomized flag to fight over as the only game modes.

And skills/abilities should have counters but it should be seamless. Like for example, roots+snares are spamable but you don't have access to an equally spamable root+snare defense mechanic to keep combat flowing. So they tells players PvP is frustrating at first glance which can further create negative views of the game.

I know it's not supposed to be COD or a gun game, but I think we can have a detailed rpg game with great individual characters yet have a combat system that is fluid yet competitive.

BroanBeast1215 · November 2017

wait... you're saying that at 300cp you still cant kill max cp players in cyro? the problem isn't the game, its you.

wheem_ESO · November 2017

Those who are making the "L2P, low CP is fine" style posts should put their money with their mouth is. Reset your CP and spend no more than 100 in each tree, then show us some un-edited video of you wrecking decently skilled players who have max CP. I have no doubt that there are some people you could walk all over, but someone with a roughly comparable skill level? Highly doubtful, unless it's one of those situations where your class/build is a straight up hardcounter to theirs.

And all the people saying things like, "Duh, it's an MMO you have to grind LOL!" should realize that there are varying degrees of MMO grinding. Most people aren't asking to have every single thing in the game handed to new players immediately upon installation. We just think that PvP should mostly be focused on individual playing ability rather than grind-time invested. I don't think it's unreasonable to take a modest amount of time leveling up a character, gathering some gear, getting comfortable with a particular build, etc...But mind-numbing grinding for potentially months on end, just so your particular stats can match up to the stats of another person who's wearing identical gear with an identical build? That's pretty crappy.

Waffennacht · November 2017

wheem_ESO wrote: »

have no doubt that there are some people you could walk all over, but someone with a roughly comparable skill level? Highly doubtful, unless it's one of those situations where your class/build is a straight up hardcounter to theirs.

Well shoot, that's true if both players are maxed CP lol. I was gonna do it until I realized that everyone I would beat would be labeled, "bad players," and would defeat the purpose.

Just like right now, unless I change my build to the BiS, there are many players that I probably just cannot win against. Why would I expect it to be different for CP?

It is an advantage absolutely, it however isn't the end all be all, you absolutely need to know everything there is to know about your character choices and your opponent's class.

Anyway, I do find CP to be a more punishing experience than no CP, if I make a mistake in no CP I'm likely to survive it, in CP it's very unlikely I'll survive it

VirtualElizabeth · November 2017

Umm......I guess I don't get the OP's issue. You have been playing for 3 months and you are angry because someone who has been playing for THREE YEARS is better? Did you expect to be insta-epic?

Jawasa · November 2017

@Hollery even if you l2p it wont matter when They are sub 400 CP in the CP campainges. Just give every1 max CP in CP campainge. We need new blood in eso pvp it's allready a shadow of what it was on release.

Thunderknuckles · November 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

The difference is, with other PVP games like first-person shooters, you can choose which server you play on. You can look for one where primarily people of your own skill level are playing.

In ESO, it's just one huge server for everyone. If you want to do Alliance War, you have to do so without separation of skill levels (aside from the "below level 50" campaign).

Bullseye. And being 1 shotted routinely for 6 or more months simply is not fun for most people. And that will keep them from staying with it or even trying in the first place.

Well that's the wrong way to go about it. You have to stick with it. Find your strengths and weaknesses, and a play style that will work for you.

Expecting to be 'really good' as soon as you start playing is just ignorant. Games that are good take skill.

No one said anything about "expecting to be really good" as soon as you start playing. LOL There's a difference between a moderate learning curve and one hell of several months long grind of being routinely 1 and 2 shotted. Unless that never really changes. Still, I'll give it a try again.

La comprensión lectora importa, amigo.

You're missing the underlying message, which is, "one must learn to play".

If you're spending SEVERAL MONTHS being one shotted, there is something wrong. Sorry, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong. Slot heavy armor. Play sorc. do something. You have to learn how to adapt and play so that you can prevent dying.

Some people CAN'T ever do that. Those people should maybe consider quitting or just being a tank. Nobody ever said it is suppposed to be easy.

But yeah.... if it's going that badly for you.... yeah something needs to be done. LOL

I haven't spent much time in Cyro, but I may be giving it more of a go here soon.

Rainraven · November 2017

Waffennacht wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

have no doubt that there are some people you could walk all over, but someone with a roughly comparable skill level? Highly doubtful, unless it's one of those situations where your class/build is a straight up hardcounter to theirs.

Well shoot, that's true if both players are maxed CP lol. I was gonna do it until I realized that everyone I would beat would be labeled, "bad players," and would defeat the purpose.

Just like right now, unless I change my build to the BiS, there are many players that I probably just cannot win against. Why would I expect it to be different for CP?

It is an advantage absolutely, it however isn't the end all be all, you absolutely need to know everything there is to know about your character choices and your opponent's class.

Anyway, I do find CP to be a more punishing experience than no CP, if I make a mistake in no CP I'm likely to survive it, in CP it's very unlikely I'll survive it

Fight the same players then: once with all your CP and once without. That would be really interesting to see actually. I'm sure you'll do well either way - but I bet both you and your opponents will notice the difference, even with all the knowledge and experience you have.

Much as people who are comfy with the current system like to say the percentage boosts we get aren't so much - skill is more important just git gud scrub etc - those percentages of cost reduction AND increased damage AND damage mitigation are not small beer.

Jawasa · November 2017

@VirtualElizabeth They might not be better just carried by CP. For example in CP i have Never lost a 1v1 against a sub 500 CP player. In no CP i have lost vs a 300 something CP Guy.

VirtualElizabeth · November 2017

Jawasa wrote: »

@VirtualElizabeth They might not be better just carried by CP. For example in CP i have Never lost a 1v1 against a sub 500 CP player. In no CP i have lost vs a 300 something CP Guy.

I get what you are saying but the OPs comment that no new players should even try ESO is bit self absorbed maybe? It's almost like he expected to come in, be epic and awesome from the get go without expecting a learning curve. Plus how do you know the 300 something guy hasn't been playing for three years - maybe this was a second account or they took long breaks

AverageJo3Gam3r · November 2017

Low cp is a scapegoat. Most cp capped players are trash. I am a very average skilled player and I can still win most fights or fight to a stand still 1v1.

bender1001001 · November 2017

New players struggle because they grinded skyreach to get to level and cp... they have no real experience at the game.

IcyDeadPeople · November 2017

bender1001001 wrote: »

New players struggle because they grinded skyreach to get to level and cp... they have no real experience at the game.

Doing all the quests in the game, even veteran dungeons wouldn't really help them become skilled at PVP either. The only way to improve at 1v1 and small scale fights in PVP is by spending a lot of time in 1v1s and small fights.

necronyteub17_ESO · November 2017

Regardless of how many CP you have or how long you have played, you will NEVER get pvp to be as popular again in this game because, when you get killed in a Tenth of a second , with 5 skills at once , OH WAIT ,

They say thats because of LAGG, WAIT no thats because you don't have the right gear, WAIT no that's not it . Its because your CP was lower then the other guy , WAIT no its because you need to LtP , no no wait its because you haven't learned to WEAVE your abilities and use them faster then humanly possible, making your keys into lighting reflex mirrors of your minds eye, right?
What a load of )(*&&.
Get used to it kiddies. MACROS ARE REAL , and animation canceling together with Macro cheating among other things , is what is running rampant in pvp.

Sure you have some balance issues with skills and certain classes, BUT the ONLY reason you get insta gibbled is for those reasons i just stated. Anyone that tells you different is just a damn liar. Macros are against the game rules yet there they are.

Animation canceling contributes to the macros to help them even further. If they EVER change animation canceling to make the spell or ability thats being cast or used to cancel along with the animation , BAM problem solved and you will see such an outcry from every little *** in this game because of how abused this mechanic is.

If you havent had this happen to you in pvp as far as 5 or 6 abilities cast on you in a flash and die quicktime , then you havent played much pvp.
The replay of the kill log shows it plain and simple. Even to the point of skills that could not POSSIBLY be weaved or channeled to that amount of speed.

Now you little Fanboi macroers can speak your mind and deny or try to explain how this isnt possible. Flame away douchbags because its true and you know it. A lot of people know it , just usually are to chicken to state it. ZOS will never do anything about it or even try what i said. Thats why the game has turned to crap and will always be crap.

Waffennacht · November 2017

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Regardless of how many CP you have or how long you have played, you will NEVER get pvp to be as popular again in this game because, when you get killed in a Tenth of a second , with 5 skills at once , OH WAIT ,

They say thats because of LAGG, WAIT no thats because you don't have the right gear, WAIT no that's not it . Its because your CP was lower then the other guy , WAIT no its because you need to LtP , no no wait its because you haven't learned to WEAVE your abilities and use them faster then humanly possible, making your keys into lighting reflex mirrors of your minds eye, right?
What a load of )(*&&.
Get used to it kiddies. MACROS ARE REAL , and animation canceling together with Macro cheating among other things , is what is running rampant in pvp.

Sure you have some balance issues with skills and certain classes, BUT the ONLY reason you get insta gibbled is for those reasons i just stated. Anyone that tells you different is just a damn liar. Macros are against the game rules yet there they are.

Animation canceling contributes to the macros to help them even further. If they EVER change animation canceling to make the spell or ability thats being cast or used to cancel along with the animation , BAM problem solved and you will see such an outcry from every little *** in this game because of how abused this mechanic is.

If you havent had this happen to you in pvp as far as 5 or 6 abilities cast on you in a flash and die quicktime , then you havent played much pvp.
The replay of the kill log shows it plain and simple. Even to the point of skills that could not POSSIBLY be weaved or channeled to that amount of speed.

Now you little Fanboi macroers can speak your mind and deny or try to explain how this isnt possible. Flame away douchbags because its true and you know it. A lot of people know it , just usually are to chicken to state it. ZOS will never do anything about it or even try what i said. Thats why the game has turned to crap and will always be crap.

Well...

I'm on console...

So... Yeah... No macros

AverageJo3Gam3r · November 2017

@necronyteub17_ESO don't blame losing in pvp on your tin foil hat.

WreckfulAbandon · November 2017

necronyteub17_ESO wrote: »

Regardless of how many CP you have or how long you have played, you will NEVER get pvp to be as popular again in this game because, when you get killed in a Tenth of a second , with 5 skills at once , OH WAIT ,

They say thats because of LAGG, WAIT no thats because you don't have the right gear, WAIT no that's not it . Its because your CP was lower then the other guy , WAIT no its because you need to LtP , no no wait its because you haven't learned to WEAVE your abilities and use them faster then humanly possible, making your keys into lighting reflex mirrors of your minds eye, right?
What a load of )(*&&.
Get used to it kiddies. MACROS ARE REAL , and animation canceling together with Macro cheating among other things , is what is running rampant in pvp.

Sure you have some balance issues with skills and certain classes, BUT the ONLY reason you get insta gibbled is for those reasons i just stated. Anyone that tells you different is just a damn liar. Macros are against the game rules yet there they are.

Animation canceling contributes to the macros to help them even further. If they EVER change animation canceling to make the spell or ability thats being cast or used to cancel along with the animation , BAM problem solved and you will see such an outcry from every little *** in this game because of how abused this mechanic is.

If you havent had this happen to you in pvp as far as 5 or 6 abilities cast on you in a flash and die quicktime , then you havent played much pvp.
The replay of the kill log shows it plain and simple. Even to the point of skills that could not POSSIBLY be weaved or channeled to that amount of speed.

Now you little Fanboi macroers can speak your mind and deny or try to explain how this isnt possible. Flame away douchbags because its true and you know it. A lot of people know it , just usually are to chicken to state it. ZOS will never do anything about it or even try what i said. Thats why the game has turned to crap and will always be crap.

CatchMeTrolling · November 2017

This thread is just a terrible showcase of veteran player's with a sense of entitlement, no one cares how long you played. How does one claim to be competitive but cling to a terrible system that creates disadvantages by a large portion all for the sake of "Hur dur I played longer" get over yourselves and actually learn what it means to be competitive. Because if you actually was competitive you'd want the cp system and it's entirety to be scrapped and if anything want pvp to come down to gear and skill.

Trashs1 · November 2017

or just play eu sotha sil (no cp campain) which stays verry active and alive...

its by far the better campain on eu also in therms of lag.

i cant get it how this campain should be dead on other platforms/regions

SugaComa · November 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

OP, I think you should play in no-CP campaign.
The majority of PvP players are in CP-enabled campaigns. Plus, the inherent 'character power' in CP which usually corresponds with experience in PvP makes it a huge disparity between max CP players and the players with characters whose highest CP is only ~<CP300.

Hence, when in no-CP, whether it's max level or not; you will close the mentioned inherent CP power gap that is present in CP campaigns. I switched from CP to no-CP campaign and played religiously in it since pre-Morrowind days and my my, it was the best decision I've made in the PvP scene.
I believe no-CP gives a much better playing field for everyone as opposed to CP campaigns. That said, give no-CP a try, OP. Who knows, you may come to learn to love it as much as I did before.

His post is here to highlight the point are removing all none CP PvP content and how that's a bad thing, they started with battlegrounds and rumour is campaigns are next as the population isn't high enough

If they're going to reduce number of campaigns due to population falling then removing non cp ones is not the best move remove some of the cP ones

Or bring in custom games where a guild can create a server and create a custom game CP cap, points , time , emp or points = win etc

Ashamray · November 2017

Why if we have a CP option ppl without a cap don't receive this cap automatically, entering Vivec or BGs? Oy! It's because it means separate templates for PvE and PvP wich Z0S don't want to do.

alexthomp92 · November 2017

I have played since release on console, I'm a casual player in comparison to some others, I have just reached cp cap, I honestly do not think that any cp I have earnt between around cp 400 to now has made any kind of substantial difference to my Pvp experience, what has made a difference is turning up every day even for an hour and learning my character inside out, i still struggle to beat some builds and players but I think that's ok, it's an elaborate game of Rock Paper Scissors and I don't expect to able to solo an entire faction, I don't expect that I can kill everyone every time if I am alone or not with a group, I don't expect to be able to tank a group of 6 conditioned players and burst them all down with a press of my ulti.
What I am trying to say is, I like cp I wouldn't play non cp and for new players it may seem like that it is cp that is solely to blame for you getting killed, but I think maybe you just need to spend a little more time learning the mechanics and perfecting your build or group.

Edit: Typo

Hecker777 · November 2017

Does anyone ever think "s*** just happens? I consider myself a pretty good PvP'r, and generally have a lot of success in any PvP situation. Every now and then though you just have a bad outing. Last night I was on PC NA vivec trying to get out of EP south gate and I lost 4 1v1's straight to 3 nightblades and a templar. That's something that usually would never happen to me. But sometimes S*** just happens and you have a bad stretch of luck lol

deepseamk20b14_ESO · November 2017

Good. Work for it like the rest of us. I do agree they should of kept BG no CP.

Kartalin · November 2017

VaranisArano wrote: »

Even though I'm still a magDK healer primarily who can't kill anyone who's not a squish

I feel like you may be making things unnecessarily difficult for yourself, but the advice of not being afraid to die is good. You're not going to learn how to pvp by hiding in a keep firing siege at people.

VaranisArano · November 2017

Kartalin wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Even though I'm still a magDK healer primarily who can't kill anyone who's not a squish

I feel like you may be making things unnecessarily difficult for yourself, but the advice of not being afraid to die is good. You're not going to learn how to pvp by hiding in a keep firing siege at people.

Good advice in general. Interesting response to a post that was all about what I've learned about how to fight and survive in PVP.

Being in a keep and firing siege at people is an excellent way to start. Then you start learning when to jump off the walls and engage. You die a lot because you don't know how to read the ebb and flow of an open field battle. Then you learn to read the battle. You figure out which skills kill players or bring them down for others to kill. You figure out which skills don't work. You get better at using the skills that do work.

At least that was my early learning process in PVP.

As for my MagDK healer, she's my main toon and a playstyle I really enjoy in Cyrodiil. Is she remotely meta, an OP build, or half as good as a tmplar healer would be? Nope! So what? I'm having fun! I've learned the strengths and weaknesses of my build and I'm comfortable with where she sits. Does she kill players by herself? Very rarely...but if we're counting assists and the value a good support player brings to the fight, her impact is much greater than her number of killing blows.

thedude33 · November 2017

Blanco wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

The difference is, with other PVP games like first-person shooters, you can choose which server you play on. You can look for one where primarily people of your own skill level are playing.

In ESO, it's just one huge server for everyone. If you want to do Alliance War, you have to do so without separation of skill levels (aside from the "below level 50" campaign).

Bullseye. And being 1 shotted routinely for 6 or more months simply is not fun for most people. And that will keep them from staying with it or even trying in the first place.

Well that's the wrong way to go about it. You have to stick with it. Find your strengths and weaknesses, and a play style that will work for you.

Expecting to be 'really good' as soon as you start playing is just ignorant. Games that are good take skill.

No one said anything about "expecting to be really good" as soon as you start playing. LOL There's a difference between a moderate learning curve and one hell of several months long grind of being routinely 1 and 2 shotted. Unless that never really changes. Still, I'll give it a try again.

La comprensión lectora importa, amigo.

You're missing the underlying message, which is, "one must learn to play".

If you're spending SEVERAL MONTHS being one shotted, there is something wrong. Sorry, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong. Slot heavy armor. Play sorc. do something. You have to learn how to adapt and play so that you can prevent dying.

Some people CAN'T ever do that. Those people should maybe consider quitting or just being a tank. Nobody ever said it is suppposed to be easy.

But yeah.... if it's going that badly for you.... yeah something needs to be done. LOL

I am cp440 or so. I know for a fact if I bumped into a good player who was using a no cp level 50 toon, he would still kick my posterior. I have played pvp games since EQ. Some I have been far above average. Some just average. Never have I played a pvp game where I was so horrible as I am in ESO.

So for many new players, they will be severely over matched in both skill and CPs. Double whammy of death. I'm sure many quit. The ones that stay are likely masochists like myself.

thedude33 · November 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

OP, I think you should play in no-CP campaign.
The majority of PvP players are in CP-enabled campaigns. Plus, the inherent 'character power' in CP which usually corresponds with experience in PvP makes it a huge disparity between max CP players and the players with characters whose highest CP is only ~<CP300.

Hence, when in no-CP, whether it's max level or not; you will close the mentioned inherent CP power gap that is present in CP campaigns. I switched from CP to no-CP campaign and played religiously in it since pre-Morrowind days and my my, it was the best decision I've made in the PvP scene.
I believe no-CP gives a much better playing field for everyone as opposed to CP campaigns. That said, give no-CP a try, OP. Who knows, you may come to learn to love it as much as I did before.

Sounds good in theory. I head to non CP first when I want to pvp. The problem is no groups. Hell, noone even talks. I give it 30 minutes and either switch to cp campaign or log off.

TheBonesXXX · November 2017

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Many are missing the OP point.

ESO is VERY unfriendly to the new player due to CP grind. It’s worse then the old vet ranks, and the catch up mechanics are simply not even close to being enough. The majority of players can’t dedicate huge amounts of hours per week to the game. If I was a new player coming in, I’d quit after level 50 once I found out I had to grind 690 cp...no way I’d do that.

This is exactly what has happened too because on PC-NA below level 50 pvp is DEAD and No-CP Pvp is also dead..both served with 1 bar 95% of the time....this means new players are either quitting pretty quickly or not interested in grinding CP.

Folks need to get over this whole idea of “Digital Entitlement” there is no such thing in a video game. You have earned nothing, you have simply played a game. Win a Customer Service Award at work, get a pay raise, graduate from college, get a promotion at work..those are accomplishments...

I got news for you, 99% of the world doesn’t care about any titles you have in ESO or even what ESO is.

The community needs to be more welcoming to new players and it needs to happen soon or there won’t be a game left to play...we need to get rid of these arbitrary restrictions (gear and cp grinding) to make the game more attractive to a wider audience to fill up those pvp servers again, in order to do that though strength needs to be tied to player skill and gear, not CP grind

Just my two cents, take away my 800+ CP tommorow I don’t care if it brings in more players it’s worth it

"You have earned nothing, you have simply played a game. Win a Customer Service Award at work, get a pay raise, graduate from college, get a promotion at work.those are accomplishments..."

A Million times.. This. No one earned [snip] in a video game, its entertainment and people sat on their [snip] and twiddled their thumbs and they think they get a [snip] cookie for it.

This sentence reflects breed of sh1thead that permeates this game and the MMO community in general.

Personally I think this game was built for a short lifespan at this point, because they have gotten so far away from the important things in this game and in the franchise and butchered it to high heaven with failing to see what is going to happen six months to a year down the line and never adjusting for those problems.

The grind in this game has always been transferred into something, its stupid. The objective of eliminating grinding was to eliminate it period, not take a few hours to hit 50 and then a few months to hit max CP, might as well roll this game back to the first year were it took forever to do something.

Get in, get geared, get into the action and have an effect character should be the goal of Zeni and if their pvp base gets made just remind them they are all that is left, they need the old blood and new blood they chased away to come back to make pvp mean something again.

[Edited to remove profanity]

Jawasa · November 2017

It's so sad that atm because of mechanincs having a couple of low CP players in a group is even hurting your group. They take more dmg and do less. When They die They blow up your group.