TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »I main Magblade and use Skoria 100% of the time. Obviously I love it, but not going to lie - it is overperfoming, especially in light of the other procs being nerfed.
It was already nerfed!
Y'all need to just SERIOUSLY STOP.
It's just getting ridiculous.
I don't even wear it and you need to stop.
Lol, why everyone defending are so afraid of a telegraph? all of you want telegraph and a delay for every other set, but when it comes to your favorite, you start defending it? thats very biased.
Look who is talking about bias.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »@techprince I don't know why Skoria becoming more common in PVP, but being used by the masses does not make it good. Maybe a streamer used it in a "META" build.
Using the data provided by @Qbiken, in every single parse Slimecraw would have done more damage (in PVP and PVE), without RNG, and with a crit bonus instead of health. Is the health bonus the big selling point for this set in PVP? Because it makes the set completely useless in PVE.
Edit: Slimecraw would also not force the user to build around DoTs, which are easily purged in PVP. And I doubt most people have a healer following them around with combat prayer in PVP, so really only nightblades have this buff (wardens have such a short duration it's not worth casting).
That's just one of many examples of better sets. And please don't go make a "nerf Slimecraw" thread after reading this.
techprince wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »I main Magblade and use Skoria 100% of the time. Obviously I love it, but not going to lie - it is overperfoming, especially in light of the other procs being nerfed.
It was already nerfed!
Y'all need to just SERIOUSLY STOP.
It's just getting ridiculous.
I don't even wear it and you need to stop.
Lol, why everyone defending are so afraid of a telegraph? all of you want telegraph and a delay for every other set, but when it comes to your favorite, you start defending it? thats very biased.
Look who is talking about bias.
I dont think you understand what bias means.WrathOfInnos wrote: »@techprince I don't know why Skoria becoming more common in PVP, but being used by the masses does not make it good. Maybe a streamer used it in a "META" build.
Using the data provided by @Qbiken, in every single parse Slimecraw would have done more damage (in PVP and PVE), without RNG, and with a crit bonus instead of health. Is the health bonus the big selling point for this set in PVP? Because it makes the set completely useless in PVE.
Edit: Slimecraw would also not force the user to build around DoTs, which are easily purged in PVP. And I doubt most people have a healer following them around with combat prayer in PVP, so really only nightblades have this buff (wardens have such a short duration it's not worth casting).
That's just one of many examples of better sets. And please don't go make a "nerf Slimecraw" thread after reading this.
Slimecraw doesnt do damage.
techprince wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »I main Magblade and use Skoria 100% of the time. Obviously I love it, but not going to lie - it is overperfoming, especially in light of the other procs being nerfed.
It was already nerfed!
Y'all need to just SERIOUSLY STOP.
It's just getting ridiculous.
I don't even wear it and you need to stop.
Lol, why everyone defending are so afraid of a telegraph? all of you want telegraph and a delay for every other set, but when it comes to your favorite, you start defending it? thats very biased.
Look who is talking about bias.
I dont think you understand what bias means.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »@techprince I don't know why Skoria is becoming more common in PVP, but being used by the masses does not make it good. Maybe a streamer used it in a "META" build.
Using the data provided by @Qbiken, in every single parse Slimecraw would have done more damage (in PVP and PVE), without RNG, and with a crit bonus instead of health. Is the health bonus the big selling point for this set in PVP? Because it makes the set completely useless in PVE.
Edit: Slimecraw would also not force the user to build around DoTs, which are easily purged in PVP. And I doubt most people have a healer following them around with combat prayer in PVP, so really only nightblades have this buff (wardens have such a short duration it's not worth casting).
That's just one of many examples of better sets. And please don't go make a "nerf Slimecraw" thread after reading this.
I don´t get how people can claim skoria was not overperforming.
When magica sorcs (a class with no access to targetted dot abilities) go out of their way to create setups utilizing skoria - you know something is fishy.
TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »I main Magblade and use Skoria 100% of the time. Obviously I love it, but not going to lie - it is overperfoming, especially in light of the other procs being nerfed.
It was already nerfed!
Y'all need to just SERIOUSLY STOP.
It's just getting ridiculous.
I don't even wear it and you need to stop.
Lol, why everyone defending are so afraid of a telegraph? all of you want telegraph and a delay for every other set, but when it comes to your favorite, you start defending it? thats very biased.
Look who is talking about bias.
I dont think you understand what bias means.
You are definitely biased against even when proven wrong.
Try Merriam Webster not the Urban Dictionary.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »techprince wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »techprince wrote: »I main Magblade and use Skoria 100% of the time. Obviously I love it, but not going to lie - it is overperfoming, especially in light of the other procs being nerfed.
It was already nerfed!
Y'all need to just SERIOUSLY STOP.
It's just getting ridiculous.
I don't even wear it and you need to stop.
Lol, why everyone defending are so afraid of a telegraph? all of you want telegraph and a delay for every other set, but when it comes to your favorite, you start defending it? thats very biased.
Look who is talking about bias.
I dont think you understand what bias means.WrathOfInnos wrote: »@techprince I don't know why Skoria becoming more common in PVP, but being used by the masses does not make it good. Maybe a streamer used it in a "META" build.
Using the data provided by @Qbiken, in every single parse Slimecraw would have done more damage (in PVP and PVE), without RNG, and with a crit bonus instead of health. Is the health bonus the big selling point for this set in PVP? Because it makes the set completely useless in PVE.
Edit: Slimecraw would also not force the user to build around DoTs, which are easily purged in PVP. And I doubt most people have a healer following them around with combat prayer in PVP, so really only nightblades have this buff (wardens have such a short duration it's not worth casting).
That's just one of many examples of better sets. And please don't go make a "nerf Slimecraw" thread after reading this.
Slimecraw doesnt do damage.
Bias: prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
I'd call you calling everyone who disagree's with you a Skoria user who shouldn't be lisened to unfair.
You are biased for Skoria nerfing. End of story.
It's not -worth- nerfing. And I say that as having one character, a tank, who runs a two part set of Skeleton pirate and Mighty Chudan for the resistances. It's dodgeable, you cannot control it like with tremorscale, and it's unreliable with a visual que. And a dot that can be clensed.
And I dont PVP. So dont even do that angle.
It's time to stop the entitlement.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »In PVP it's 4500 damage before mitigation, that cannot crit, and requires use of multiple purgeable DoTs to get a proc every 10s (the cooldown of 5s is not realistic due to the low proc chance). So max 450 DPS on an unarmored, nonblocking target, maybe 500 if they have been hit with engulfing flames. Not much pressure if you ask me.
As for burst, I see that it does the damage instantly, but the proc is so unreliable, it can occur at any point in a 5 second (or longer) window. This does not work well for trying to time burst, and any kill with this set is a lucky one.
For PVE, the 1 piece health is enough to ensure it is never used.
So why exactly does this set deserve a nerf? Because someone saw it in their death recap?
I hope the devs read this thread and buff Skoria.
Mannix1958 wrote: »Sorry for this not being attached above. There is no sense talking with you. You have been given many arguments as to why the set does not need a nerf but yet you rail on and call everyone else biased. Yeah its all the others.
TequilaFire wrote: »Skoria was nerfed enough in the past.
If you die to Skoria you deserve to.
"Let procs have no telegraph because you could possibly counter them"There is nothing fun about proc sets having a visual indicator allowing the enemy to know exactly when to block or dodge.
Might as well remove them completely if that's the case. If you're too afraid to get hit by said proc sets thus resulting in you dying, maybe you should play another game.
"Let procs have no telegraph because you could possibly counter them"There is nothing fun about proc sets having a visual indicator allowing the enemy to know exactly when to block or dodge.
Might as well remove them completely if that's the case. If you're too afraid to get hit by said proc sets thus resulting in you dying, maybe you should play another game.
This is a terrible idea. If there is no counterplay, then it's unreasonably OP. That's just bad combat design.
Luckily, you hear an auditory cue before skoria hits, so there's some counter to it. Whether or not that's not enough is debatable.
techprince wrote: »Adding an indicator is a nerf? Its a god damn buff. A sorc and magDK can setup their combo when skoria is going to proc by using unblockable/undodagle cc at the exact same time.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »techprince wrote: »Adding an indicator is a nerf? Its a god damn buff. A sorc and magDK can setup their combo when skoria is going to proc by using unblockable/undodagle cc at the exact same time.
An indicator is a nerf because it will get blocked 99% of the time, and do half the damage (or less depending on passives). If it got an indicator and a got its damage doubled then it would be a neutral change. I don't see this happening, since the 1% of players that don't know where the block button is would complain. Maybe the permablockers would also complain, since it would do double damage to them as well.
How about a compromise, add an indicator, and increase the damage by 50%. Anyone competent will now see maximum 75% of the current damage (since they will block), while anyone incompetent (including PVE enemies) will experience increased damage.
Another possibility would be to remove the forced 5s cooldown. Against a single target this would change the average proc rate from 10s down to 5s. For AoE situations (more common in PVE with wall of elements and other placed AoE DoTs), this would allow it to proc on multiple enemies in a short time. If this change occurred I would be fine with a damage decrease of about 25% per proc. This would again result in the PVP damage being reduced to 75% of its current level (twice as frequent, but easily blocked, and slightly less burst per proc), it would serve as an anti-stack mechanic in PVP, and make the set much more useful in PVE trash pulls.
Would either of these options be acceptable to you?
techprince wrote: »AbysmalGhul wrote: »techprince wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Skoria is fine.
Another skoria user spotted.
It's ok. You're in a safe place now. Just let us know where the bad Skoria touched you *holds up teddy bear
This happens when someone runs out of rational arguments. Just let us know when you have something to argue with.
techprince wrote: »
You want to increase dmg by 50% or remove the cd entirely just because of a visual indicator? Do you know the changes done to selene, veli and tremorscale? Did you see any damage buffs or cd reductions applied to them? So why is skoria different?
Damaging proc sets in any form are for talentless players. They should never have brought them in the game to begin with.
WrathOfInnos wrote: »techprince wrote: »
You want to increase dmg by 50% or remove the cd entirely just because of a visual indicator? Do you know the changes done to selene, veli and tremorscale? Did you see any damage buffs or cd reductions applied to them? So why is skoria different?
Well taking Selene's for example, which does 12000 damage with a 4s cooldown, has a potential to do 3000 DPS (1500 in PVP). Skoria has a 9000 damage proc with a 5s cooldown, so max 1800 DPS (900 in PVE). Increasing Skoria by 50% would still only put it at max 2700 DPS, so still 10% weaker than Selene. Additionally, Selene has a 1 piece stamina bonus, which is useful for damage (roughly 3% DPS increase), while Skoria has a health bonus that contributes 0 to damage.
I wouldn't say I wanted to change it. I didn't create a thread based around changing Skoria. I simply posted in your thread that if you take away something from a set that is not overperforming, it should get something else in return. I do like the idea of counterplay in PVP (without making it useless), and the set could use some help to be viable in PVE. Simply nerfing Skoria is not the answer.