Worst part about this sorc nerf...(Examination)

valkyrie93 · October 2017

what nerf, don't scare me like this lol

all i know is we got something similar to petrify

Ch4mpTW · October 2017

No, Pvps terrible

This is why I always primarily PvP’d on my MagDK. But during this event, I have been leveling both a MagDen and StamDen. Then again, I’m also not exactly too thrilled to set foot back into anything PvP-oriented. Can you take a wild guess why?

Pinja · October 2017

generalmyrick wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Sorc nerf... Bruh really

^

So people really don't know yet? Ya, they just [snip] the [snip] out of magic sorc Pvp.

v3.2.4-5

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorcerer
Dark Magic
Crystal Shards: This ability and the Crystal Fragments morph no longer stun the enemy hit. The Crystal Blast morph continues to stun the initial enemy hit.
Developer Comment:
We wanted to separate the function of abilities into more distinct roles. Crystal Shards was overloaded since it had high damage, instant cast, stun, reduced cost. Now if the sorcerer wants a stun they have to either go through a cast time or deal reduced damage.

[Edited to remove profanity]

valkyrie93 · October 2017

valkyrie93 wrote: »

what nerf, don't scare me like this lol

all i know is we got something similar to petrify

nvm...just saw the frags nerf. forgot about that.

i will 100% still prefer to use frags + no stun, i'll take that over cast time any day

SameMeteor26 · October 2017

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

Rainraven · October 2017

Yes, I'm full Pvp.

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Biro123 · October 2017

Yes, I'm full Pvp.

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Strider__Roshin · October 2017

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

Pinja · October 2017

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

@daus Wait, you play test this?

pieratsos · October 2017

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

To slot rune cage u have to drop something else. Problem is there is nothing to drop that wont hurt ur build.

Emmagoldman · October 2017

I main sorc, but the patch is 24 hours old. How about we give things time?

grannas211 · October 2017

Yes, but I don't main cyrodiil

pieratsos wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

To slot rune cage u have to drop something else. Problem is there is nothing to drop that wont hurt ur build.

Exactly. I plan on ps4 so I have a couple weeks, but I was looking at my bars last night and the only thing I guess I could give up is Dark conversion and that would really hurt.

Defilted · October 2017

If this is a discussion on the frag change? I do not see how this is a nerf at all. Do you want instant cast burst or CC? Seems like a reasonable change to me. The sorc has other skill they can use to CC as well.

pieratsos · October 2017

Defilted wrote: »

If this is a discussion on the frag change? I do not see how this is a nerf at all. Do you want instant cast burst or CC? Seems like a reasonable change to me. The sorc has other skill they can use to CC as well.

But thats not the choice you get. The choice you get is instant cast burst vs a useless skill. So yes its a nerf if you have ever played sorc and know what those skills do. In fact, thats fitting with the morrowind comments about nerfs. In developer comments it should say

"this will be a buff if you have never played sorc before"

Ulfgarde · October 2017

Yes. 1v

The point of frags was never stun; it was burst. The stun was a nice side effect but you have other tools, i.e. streak or the new rune prison, to counter this.

Tbh it actually increases the skill ceiling a lot because it forces you to play more aggressively and use up more magicka. Streak is just forced to be on front-bar now, though.

I don't know what drugs OP is on in his poll so I just chose the weirdest option.

Drakkdjinn · October 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

Hulking vs necro - necro gives 600 magicka more, but requires player to sacrifice one or two skill slots... maybe make it even??? We don't have same logic with julianos vs hunding... why?

Common sense is not that common. Rare as unicorns.

B/c magicka is spent on skills, and Stam is spent on skills + literally every other mechanic in this game, not to mention the positioning requirements of Stam abilities. Common sense dictates that given the above balanced sets would include higher stam bonuses than magicka to account for the more premium resource. If anything the gap should be greater.

Rare as unicorns indeed.

Onefrkncrzypope · October 2017

Pinja wrote: »

generalmyrick wrote: »

Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »

Sorc nerf... Bruh really

^

So people really don't know yet? Ya, they just [snip] the [snip] out of magic sorc Pvp.

v3.2.4-5

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorcerer
Dark Magic
Crystal Shards: This ability and the Crystal Fragments morph no longer stun the enemy hit. The Crystal Blast morph continues to stun the initial enemy hit.
Developer Comment:
We wanted to separate the function of abilities into more distinct roles. Crystal Shards was overloaded since it had high damage, instant cast, stun, reduced cost. Now if the sorcerer wants a stun they have to either go through a cast time or deal reduced damage.

And you got a castable unblockable and undodgable stun. So again what nerf

[Edited for quote]

technohic · October 2017

bardx86 wrote: »

Heka Cain wrote: »

They nerf one toon...I jump on another toon!

good for you, some of us have a life.

There's double XP. I barely log in and I have 3 level 50s

Sorc still does range better than any class IMO. Thats enough for me to still play mine in PvP.

elijafire · October 2017

As stated previously, any other class, play it, then you will see the err in your ways.

bardx86 · October 2017

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

***, rune cage never lands everyone has CC immunity.

templesus · October 2017

Valera Progib wrote: »

That moment when you want to nerf one skill and buff alternative to get it used more, so you move stun from frags to crystal blast... but only place where crystal blast has atleast one chance to get used is PvE, but stun doesn't apply to bosses... then you realise that cast time abilities are not used in any part of the game...

Bad ideas that no one asked for are bad

Hulking vs necro - necro gives 600 magicka more, but requires player to sacrifice one or two skill slots... maybe make it even??? We don't have same logic with julianos vs hunding... why?

Common sense is not that common. Rare as unicorns.

What ways are there outside of sorcs bound armaments to stack stamina through percentage based increases?

There is a reason these two sets are the way they are, and there’s a reason you have never seen a 50k+ stamina build. I’ll leave you to figure it out on your own. It’s seems people using deductive reasoning is as rare as unicorns as well.

As for the sorc nerf, sorry but no class is going to give you sympathy. Templar has been gutted, Dk has been eviscerated, and even Nb has seen their fair share of nerfs. Mag sorc still remains atop magicka classes in PvE, and still remains the only true viable light armor magicka class in Cyrodiil, with the greatest mobility and defense abilities of all classes. Just get better. I wish every time my stamplar nerfed because of nerfs intended for MAGPLAR I got a new ability to balance it out. Especially a 28m unblockable undodgeable CC that way I didn’t have to rely on Dizzying Swing or Javelin.

Logical fallacies everywhere.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · October 2017

If only my Nightblade and Templer could get "nerfed" like Sorcs do.

technohic · October 2017

bardx86 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

***, rune cage never lands everyone has CC immunity.

If this is the issue; how are we complaining about frags losing its CC?

_Salty_ · October 2017

Anyone complaining about Sorc nerfs has obviously never played a Sap Tank. I've played since console launch and they have been systematically nerfed with every single patch.

kojou · October 2017

technohic wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

SameMeteor26 wrote: »

Rainraven wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

You do realize that Sorcs got buffed right? I mean, they essentially have petrify. Even DKs don't have that anymore.

I'm as tired as anybody of all the sorc whining (seriously!) but removing the stun from frags is a slap to the class right up there with borking petrify and repentance.

It'll have zero impact for me personally in PVP, since I dropped frags a while ago in Cyrodiil, but it's depressing and crummy in PVE. I miss it! :'( It was fun.

But yeah, we're fine. Sky not falling. Just

Just curious, how come you quit using frags in pvp? Frags is THE skill of sorcs.

If it gets dodged more than it hits, it's just a waste of skill slot and GCD.

Honestly thinking of dropping it too on my staff build.

Why? It's so much stronger now since it's a guarantee hit with the rune cage change. Cast the frag first then immediately use rune cage to guarantee the hit.

***, rune cage never lands everyone has CC immunity.

If this is the issue; how are we complaining about frags losing its CC?

Beat me to it...

Beardimus · October 2017

Yes, I'm full Pvp.

Honestly this forum is hilarious. Sorcs get nerfed again that's a big impact and will need a change in playstyle and people still moaning.

People moan about shield stacking like its still a thing. NO ONE triple stacks now, not for a few patches. Every class can shield stack as well as a sort.

Man instead of moaning people need to L2P you could remove the class and i bet people would till moan

Rant over

ArchMikem · October 2017

No, Pvps terrible

So much complaining over the loss of a stun. Sorcs have such good burst plus shields in PvP the stun from frags was irrelevant 99% of the time.

templesus · October 2017

Beardimus wrote: »

Honestly this forum is hilarious. Sorcs get nerfed again that's a big impact and will need a change in playstyle and people still moaning.

People moan about shield stacking like its still a thing. NO ONE triple stacks now, not for a few patches. Every class can shield stack as well as a sort.

Man instead of moaning people need to L2P you could remove the class and i bet people would till moan

Rant over

Excuse me, what game are you playing where sorcs aren’t triple stacking?

MasterSpatula · October 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

Not really sure many people care about Sorc nerfs other than Sorcs; most non-Sorc players have been asking for them to be nerfed since Sorcs have been OP for months now. Perhaps this will bring them closer to where other classes are at the moment.

Except they didn't nerf any of the problems (like shield stacking). They nerfed a needed utility that also happened to be a major flavor ability of the class. It was double dumb. They ignored a real problem and created a new one. The only reason anyone is in favor of this nerf is schadenfreude, which is absolutely never a good reason to do anything.

Korah_Eaglecry · October 2017

MasterSpatula wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Not really sure many people care about Sorc nerfs other than Sorcs; most non-Sorc players have been asking for them to be nerfed since Sorcs have been OP for months now. Perhaps this will bring them closer to where other classes are at the moment.

Except they didn't nerf any of the problems (like shield stacking). They nerfed a needed utility that also happened to be a major flavor ability of the class. It was double dumb. They ignored a real problem and created a new one. The only reason anyone is in favor of this nerf is schadenfreude, which is absolutely never a good reason to do anything.

Schadenfreude can sum up just about half of the posters on these forums. Hopping from one thread to the next gloating about the misfortune or frustration of other players.