I would say, stop this 30day nonsense.. 1 guy on each side hold the emperor for 30days and no chance for anybody else to reach his AP...

2 7days campaings for CP and 2 7days campaings for no-CP would be much more fair!

But true, we need to push other campaings. Vivec is just laggy... i really dont enjoy to zerg guys down to death for 50-200 AP i get only..

usmcjdking wrote: »

Well, you've got to lead by example.

Just saying "we as a community yadda yadda feelgood QUEUE SHOR" doesn't mean ***. People want to PVP and if there is no PVP in Shor then people will not go to Shor. That means you may have many a boring night where you fight the same 2-3 people over and over and over because there is nothing else. It will eventually catch on, but it won't just 'happen'.

2-3 people? That's a zerg in Kastav.

its cause so many players need a zerg to surf for pvp, they can only play where there is zergs E.G. Vivec

technohic wrote: »

The few times I have been in Shor lately it seems to come down to which faction actually showed up that night. You wind up with a very small population of randoms coming to where the fight is to meet the one guild that decided to run Shor at that moment with a nice organized group.

This is somewhat true, because there aren't enough guilds on Shor to necessarily have consistent fights each night, and the ones that are there every night tend to be very small or very, very small (Rusty Old Dragons, Dead Wait, Chaos Crew, For Real). The only guilds that seem to have a set raid schedule are Requiem (DC) and Outlanders (EP), and ironically Outlanders runs big groups the 2 nights Requiem isn't on.

BCC... all 12 or so of us... is scattered over the globe with varying schedules. We can only show up as an actual group when the stars align.

Mostly this is a prime time server right now. AD needs people the most -- one or two small guilds would be great. And DC needs some help weekends.

I agree with Joy here .You can always find action on Vivec. Also personally I don't care about pvp politics I just want to pvp (all types of group sizes/types). i also don't find it fun to pvp with the same few people every fight. I even tend to abandon resources early even if I don't wipe because the same guys keep coming up to it over and over

On vivec I'm still ocassionally seeing brand new faces (at least for me) and sometimes I get REKT by that new face and I'm like who in the world is that....and it makes it exciting and still kind of fresh.

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Shor had a trifecta of pledged guilds to "INVEST" in it at go-live date.

DC: Requiem 6-12 man

EP: Bruma City Council 4-8 man (not sure they were under that alias at that time but their forum representatives advocated for Shor more than i did at the live date)
Dreadlords 6-20 man - no forum representative that has been vocal, but they provided a semi-consistent generally dominant presence on the server

AD: DEAD WAIT 3-6 man (they are still there but not consistently and their forum representative ( @Durham ) has gone radio silent (we miss you bud, I like @Takuto too though)

So there you have it. Out of the three guilds listed, Req also had the most inexperienced and newest team meaning: we hadnt been playing with each other for YEARS aside from maybe 4-5 of us due to a split that occurred in Nov of 16 so i had to rebuild through my own sweat, hard work and iron will of persistence.

So what's everyone else's excuse?

I don't have a good excuse.

I'm lazy. I'm impatient. I get bored easily. And I'm old enough that I already feel I've wasted enough of my life on idealistic hopes. I've sweated enough in my life that I don't want to be bothered doing that in what is supposed to be a leisure pursuit.

This doesn't mean I don't admire what you are trying to build. I do. It's just not for me. I've played the "off" server before and did not find the experience to be as fulfilling.

I'm going to log into Vivek because there is constant action, immediate gratification, different types of fights and not always against the same 30 people. While I have many criticisms about the game and its (lack of) development, I am not a masochist that chooses to subject myself to misery to derive some weird form of satisfaction. I log onto Vivek because more often than not, I do enjoy the experience. Because I enjoy it, I log into it. So, it a pattern that reinforces itself. Yes, I was part of the original Wabbajack campaign where the ESO habit of PvP concentration began.

For all it's flaws and frustrations, I have come to enjoy the Wabbajack-Dawnbreaker-Truflame-Vivek mass PvP server a lot more than the others. It is what it is. I may not be able to articulate why that is so in a manner that will convince you I am a rational or sane person, but I promise you I am not a robot, not someone obsessed with the CPs I "earned", not someone who passively accepts the "easy mode," not someone who hasn't experienced the alternatives, and not someone who is afraid of breaking a habit.

I can't speak for anyone else, though I do find it hard to believe 3+ years of consistent contraction of PvP players on a single server, despite the repeated attempts by ZoS and some dedicated members of the PvP community, is somehow random, a product of player ignorance, or is suggestive of something other that's how a lot of folks want to play.

I work long hours and my comute time is 1.5 hours each way. I'm not joining a dead campaign because I don't have time anymore to.

In fact, I'm so much more lazy, I couldn't stand Vivec and instead have been playing BGs more.

BGs have no lag, no performance issues, no zergs. Think about it; they did fix PvP but then locked it behind a dlc wall.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Plenty of room for players in Shor, especially AD on the weekdays. But please don't bring your 16-24 plague doctor ball group.

We had 10, and the EP we were trying to fight on Shor were in a tower hiding from us with 6-8 including emp?
No plague doctor either. We then queued for Vivec since no one would fight us.

I challenged your raid lead for a 5 v 10 open field. Received nothing but boastful empty talk, and no acceptance of my challenge while you all cowered on your own resource(after I wiped half your group in Ash and you all retreated to drop a camp and cap the mine) with a siege line. And you talking a big game "no one would fight us" idk, your "organized" guild seemed very scared to fight us without the odds stacked in your favor... while blatantly outnumbering us... But... no one would fight you?

I played leap frog with your organized group as if you were NPCs for me to do a rotation on, and you all just rezzed up as fast as you died for another coordinated ult bomb. Easy. I felt like I was doing a skyreach run on you all. If you did not have free port at nikel, we would have wiped you there and then.


If you are going to make snide insinuations, at least make sure you aren't omitting important convenient details.

You can't be serious with this. We were in campaign literally 5 minutes before your salt started flowing. So you finally have a group show up on the server that you can't just blow through and this is how you treat them? Doesn't sound like to me that you actually want competitive fights on this server at all. You had several opportunities to "wipe" us and failed every time. If you took off the zerg goggles you would have noticed there were more EP at those fights than us. This is why you can't have nice things.

casparian wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Shor had a trifecta of pledged guilds to "INVEST" in it at go-live date.

DC: Requiem 6-12 man

EP: Bruma City Council 4-8 man (not sure they were under that alias at that time but their forum representatives advocated for Shor more than i did at the live date)
Dreadlords 6-20 man - no forum representative that has been vocal, but they provided a semi-consistent generally dominant presence on the server

AD: DEAD WAIT 3-6 man (they are still there but not consistently and their forum representative ( @Durham ) has gone radio silent (we miss you bud, I like @Takuto too though)

So there you have it. Out of the three guilds listed, Req also had the most inexperienced and newest team meaning: we hadnt been playing with each other for YEARS aside from maybe 4-5 of us due to a split that occurred in Nov of 16 so i had to rebuild through my own sweat, hard work and iron will of persistence.

So what's everyone else's excuse?

I don't have a good excuse.

I'm lazy. I'm impatient. I get bored easily. And I'm old enough that I already feel I've wasted enough of my life on idealistic hopes. I've sweated enough in my life that I don't want to be bothered doing that in what is supposed to be a leisure pursuit.

This doesn't mean I don't admire what you are trying to build. I do. It's just not for me. I've played the "off" server before and did not find the experience to be as fulfilling.

I'm going to log into Vivek because there is constant action, immediate gratification, different types of fights and not always against the same 30 people. While I have many criticisms about the game and its (lack of) development, I am not a masochist that chooses to subject myself to misery to derive some weird form of satisfaction. I log onto Vivek because more often than not, I do enjoy the experience. Because I enjoy it, I log into it. So, it a pattern that reinforces itself. Yes, I was part of the original Wabbajack campaign where the ESO habit of PvP concentration began.

For all it's flaws and frustrations, I have come to enjoy the Wabbajack-Dawnbreaker-Truflame-Vivek mass PvP server a lot more than the others. It is what it is. I may not be able to articulate why that is so in a manner that will convince you I am a rational or sane person, but I promise you I am not a robot, not someone obsessed with the CPs I "earned", not someone who passively accepts the "easy mode," not someone who hasn't experienced the alternatives, and not someone who is afraid of breaking a habit.

I can't speak for anyone else, though I do find it hard to believe 3+ years of consistent contraction of PvP players on a single server, despite the repeated attempts by ZoS and some dedicated members of the PvP community, is somehow random, a product of player ignorance, or is suggestive of something other that's how a lot of folks want to play.

I work long hours and my comute time is 1.5 hours each way. I'm not joining a dead campaign because I don't have time anymore to.

In fact, I'm so much more lazy, I couldn't stand Vivec and instead have been playing BGs more.

BGs have no lag, no performance issues, no zergs. Think about it; they did fix PvP but then locked it behind a dlc wall.

But BGs are a diluted form of PVP. In BGs, you have to worry about something other than defeating enemies by using your abilities to deplete their health bar. I don't want to run a ball around or capture a relic, I want to fight other players. Period. BGs dilute that experience by scoring me according to how well I and my team perform at activities other than fighting players.

Well no one has really given ZoS serious feedback on BGs. The forums are mostly pro-BG and anti-BG, with neither discussing ways to make PvP easily digestive but highly competitive.

For example, you instantly state that relics/ball fights mean you'll never actually conduct pure-PvP. But you kinda don't do that in cyro anyway. You either are on a seige in a keep to help kill huge zergs, running from zergs till you find 1-2 of them to fight (which is that 1v1 you'll find in BGs the entire time you are in one), gank, or ride horses. Out of all of that, how many times have you actually competitively pvp'd a player? Maybe guild vs guild this will be actual pvp, but I've seen some of them go after pug farms than guild vs guild.

You haven't actually pvp'd,and most have not as well. We just think we have and are. Cyro was at it's best when fights were everywhere, and even then you were still only conducting some aspect of competitive play.

Now for why BGs offer what you want:
- you'll never find a stealth zerg. In fact, at most you'll find 8v4 as the outnumbered metric. Didn't we all agree PvP is best balanced for this size?
- Relic fights, while you need to outpace the enemy team, is still about killing off players. The only time relic fights are dumb are when players follow your intent for PvP to be about pure-killing and start yoloing on the team that isn't in first letting the other team capture relics uncontested. Same for chaosball, if you don't 8v4 the team in first, it will be harder to have fun.
- lag is basically gone in BGs. In fact the only time I experienced lag in a BG, was when cyro was so laggy I was feeling it for a minute in one fight. Didn't we agree lag removal to be number one priority?
- many of us like our CP now that zos front loaded the system too help newer players. It still needs help balancing but that's not abgs problem.

How do you want to see BGs changed so you'd want to play them?