Clever alchemist change requires you to be in combat for it to proc what!!

TheDoomsdayMonster · October 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Unsuspecting opponents? In PvP? Leave Cyrodiil and never return.

Yeah...unsuspecting.

Sorry, I don't have Miat's warning me of danger in advance of it happening like you do...

I play on ps4 which is free from the cheats that you are used to...

Too bad you are on console, since I would love to wipe the floor with your carcass in PvP for calling me a cheater. I never used nor I will ever use bs cheat addons such is miat.

Sure keyboard warrior...

Thogard · October 2017

Swapping your gear out while stealthed isn’t a “cheat” or a “hack”

This is something that anyone can do now if they’re fast enough. That’s a problem, so they’re fixing it. It’s not a hack, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Miat’s addon.. dressing room is more relevant lol.

The salt level in this thread is blowing my mind.

Sneaky-Snurr · October 2017

@zaria @Feanor
You see, I'm not just talking about Miat's. I'm talking about addons in general.

I'm tackling the root cause here and a lot of people in this thread are saying "Ha! In your face, ganker!".
Those people (and a whole lot of others) are missing the point. Let's trace back to the initial issue on why CA is nerfed. The fact that someone can pre-buff themselves with CA and then within 0.5 seconds to seamlessly swap with another set is due to....(Imma let you guess it)........ YES that's right! ADDONS like Wykydd Outfitter and the likes. Since ADDONS are the ones enabling the player to do that. ZoS, again; SHOULD and MUST limit API or disable ADDONS in PvP or in certain game modes.

Changing the mechanics in CA is not even remotely a solution to the underlying issue and cries from players who complain about CA. That's an idiotic and downright dumb move by the devs.
ZoS, you are one lazy and incompetent games studio. Hats off to you for that.

zaria · October 2017

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

@zaria @Feanor
You see, I'm not just talking about Miat's. I'm talking about addons in general.

I'm tackling the root cause here and a lot of people in this thread are saying "Ha! In your face, ganker!".
Those people (and a whole lot of others) are missing the point. Let's trace back to the initial issue on why CA is nerfed. The fact that someone can pre-buff themselves with CA and then within 0.5 seconds to seamlessly swap with another set is due to....(Imma let you guess it)........ YES that's right! ADDONS like Wykydd Outfitter and the likes. Since ADDONS are the ones enabling the player to do that. ZoS, again; SHOULD and MUST limit API or disable ADDONS in PvP or in certain game modes.

Changing the mechanics in CA is not even remotely a solution to the underlying issue and cries from players who complain about CA. That's an idiotic and downright dumb move by the devs.
ZoS, you are one lazy and incompetent games studio. Hats off to you for that.

You have an good point CA is not the problem, however the API to change gear or skill layout is probably so simple its hard to restrict without killing off all addons in pvp, you could probably do it with an keyboard macro even.
Solutions would be to 1) changing gear breaks stealth, it might even have an animation

As said I only ran into this in PvE sometimes then tanks switch roles.
2) drinking an potion put you in combat for 15 seconds.
3) have CA effect only work if CA is equipped, this is most logical but might be hard to implement however its lots of talk of backbar effects then you swap weapon.

Jake1576 · October 2017

Lol they closed the other thread surprised they didn't this one yet they obviously don't care about the suggestions people have made about clever alchemist

Grim13 · October 2017

Let's just do away with all pretense and finally let Miat make an addon that has PvP play itself... then we can all lean back in our chairs, munch on some popcorn and pretend we're watching a movie.

Sneaky-Snurr · October 2017

zaria wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

@zaria @Feanor
You see, I'm not just talking about Miat's. I'm talking about addons in general.

I'm tackling the root cause here and a lot of people in this thread are saying "Ha! In your face, ganker!".
Those people (and a whole lot of others) are missing the point. Let's trace back to the initial issue on why CA is nerfed. The fact that someone can pre-buff themselves with CA and then within 0.5 seconds to seamlessly swap with another set is due to....(Imma let you guess it)........ YES that's right! ADDONS like Wykydd Outfitter and the likes. Since ADDONS are the ones enabling the player to do that. ZoS, again; SHOULD and MUST limit API or disable ADDONS in PvP or in certain game modes.

Changing the mechanics in CA is not even remotely a solution to the underlying issue and cries from players who complain about CA. That's an idiotic and downright dumb move by the devs.
ZoS, you are one lazy and incompetent games studio. Hats off to you for that.

You have an good point CA is not the problem, however the API to change gear or skill layout is probably so simple its hard to restrict without killing off all addons in pvp, you could probably do it with an keyboard macro even.
Solutions would be to 1) changing gear breaks stealth, it might even have an animation
As said I only ran into this in PvE sometimes then tanks switch roles.
2) drinking an potion put you in combat for 15 seconds.
3) have CA effect only work if CA is equipped, this is most logical but might be hard to implement however its lots of talk of backbar effects then you swap weapon.

@zaria
I really like your suggested solutions especially number 1, they're a million times better than what the devs are planning to do with CA. Solution number 3 might not be feasible enough as it is too punishing and would wipe unique playstyles off the board.
That said, why can't ZoS find someone who's as sensible as you are? Insightful for you.

But alas, I really hope they would just disable addons in PvP so every player from PvE and PvP would not be implicated by ZoS nerfing things that's caused by 3rd party entities which in this case is addons.

Jake1576 · October 2017

According to the patch notes today clever alchemist is still getting nerfed this is BS

skyhawk002 · October 2017

Can someone recommend to me an alternative to clever alchemist for bow gankblade? I really enjoy ganking in PvP even if I get destroyed all the time as my stamblade. This change may unfortunately drive me away from the game. Thank you

IcyDeadPeople · October 2017

Jake1576 wrote: »

So you can't use clever alchemist to gank etc anymore unless you hit the person first or they hit you first in order to get the proc to increase your weapon damage or spell damage this is ridiculous this will ruin clever alchemist I usually popped a potion before I hit someone not after I would already hit them this set will be useless now for certain play styles

What? This ruins the entire point of the set.

I can't imagine what the reasoning would be for this change.

Zbigb4life · October 2017

Runschei wrote: »

I love it when ZOS ruins both of my characters! I use Clever Alchemist on both my magica nightblade and my stamina nightblade and it's the only pvp builds I've mastered and know >.<

Just adapt to it like other players have done with other nerfs. Only the good players can adapt, others keep whining

Yolokin_Swagonborn · October 2017

All your favorite sets will be nerfed thanks to champion system.
All your favorite skills will be nerfed thanks to champion system.

Please direct all your anger at the champion system which is allowed to continually cause power creep in the game and get everything you know and love nerfed.

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

sadly that is not.
There was an exploid where people popped alch then changed gear with an add-on.
I believe they did this to fix that bug.
Obviously zos way of ''fixing'' always breaks something else.

IcyDeadPeople · October 2017

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

sadly that is not.
There was an exploid where people popped alch then changed gear with an add-on.
I believe they did this to fix that bug.
Obviously zos way of ''fixing'' always breaks something else.

This set was designed from the beginning for ganking. Now it is useless for the primary intended purpose.

Ragnarock41 · October 2017

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

sadly that is not.
There was an exploid where people popped alch then changed gear with an add-on.
I believe they did this to fix that bug.
Obviously zos way of ''fixing'' always breaks something else.

This set was designed from the beginning for ganking. Now it is useless for the primary intended purpose.

I know. and Im sad about it. I never played a nb myself, But I used it on my stamDk a lot.(yes I play medium armor, I have balls) This is a problem with add-ons, not the gear itself.

Aleraon · October 2017

So instead of the game checking whether you're actually wearing the set it checks if you're in combat instead? Makes sense lol.

Zouni · October 2017

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want to fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

In my view you are a coward everytime you put on that heavy armor or spam your sorc shield. Classic samurai vs ninja arguement.