Clever alchemist change requires you to be in combat for it to proc what!!

Jake1576

So you can't use clever alchemist to gank etc anymore unless you hit the person first or they hit you first in order to get the proc to increase your weapon damage or spell damage this is ridiculous this will ruin clever alchemist I usually popped a potion before I hit someone not after I would already hit them this set will be useless now for certain play styles

starkerealm

I think that's the point.

Jake1576

starkerealm wrote: »

I think that's the point.

this is ridiculous everyone already runs heavy armor and shield stacks it's hard to kill certain players as it is now you will be forced to loose the element of surprise on these people just to get your damage increase this will severely weaken certain builds

brandonv516

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Lyserus

"Get in line. Half of the sets of ESO are getting deconed here, it must be pretty bad in ZOS"

Taleof2Cities

@Jake1576

There's already two long threads in the PTS forums on this issue ... why start another one?

Have you heard of the forums "search" function?

Jake1576

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

TheDoomsdayMonster

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want to fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

Jake1576

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

@Jake1576

There's already two long threads in the PTS forums on this issue ... why start another one?

Have you heard of the forums "search" function?

I'll be honest I just read the patch notes and got aggravated by this change and made a forum post about it cause I didn't see one already I know alot of people run clever alchemist and this will ruin alot of players play styles and builds making another thread about it will not hurt the people have the right to know and complain about changes they believe shouldn't happen

starkerealm

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

Hey, I resemble that statement. I prefer, "tactically expedient." We've got places to be, and people to kill, so we don't have all day to hang around fighting Doomsday Monster builds.

Jake1576

starkerealm wrote: »

TheDoomsdayMonster wrote: »

Jake1576 wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Should just make CA "when you take damage or apply damage, increase WD/SD by..." now.

Let the decon begin.

Yeah I run a bow gank build it's already hard enough to use the bow cause it's so under powered but I always had clever alchemist to look forward to make up for the lack the bow does before I would hit my target now your forced to confront your target as a stamina nightblade to get your damage increase nightblade are already squishy as it is we don't like to confront anyone nightblades like to burst people down then move to the next

Translation:

Us Stamina Nightblades are cowards who only want fight unsuspecting opponents who we can (hopefully) burst down before they can fight back...

Hey, I resemble that statement. I prefer, "tactically expedient." We've got places to be, and people to kill, so we don't have all day to hang around fighting Doomsday Monster builds.

Most builds run heavy armor and are perma block builds or sorcerer shield stacking bad enough trying to kill them before this change will even make it harder they are doing this change to affect ganking play styles not for the reason that's stated in the patch notes

Jake1576

@ZOS_Wrobel why this change shouldn't make it to live reconsider this change

FloppyTouch

I don't see how this will change much don't people heavy attack the poison injection then gap close?

So why not just pop the potion after the heavy attack and keep ur rotation? Does not seem that big of a change. I swear the amount of over reaction of the forums is out of control.

Just going to have to adapt and L2P a little different.

Thogard

The issue is some people on PC were using addons to rapidly equip clever alchemist, get the proc, and then unequip the whole set and replace with something like Spriggans or Hundings before attacking.

The combat requirement prevents people from changing their gear after getting the proc.

I personally would prefer that they make it so that procing clever alchemist PUTS you in combat... it would have the same effect at preventing gankers with addons... but the “in combat” system is already buggy enough as is and I doubt they could pull that off.

I run CA and I will not be affected by this.

Jake1576

Either way if this change goes to live I'll probably take some time off from playing this game I've already put way to much time into this game and they want to continue to screw people over by nerfing this and that even know it doesn't need it it's ridiculous I'll probably either sell my account or take a long break eso is the only game I've played since it came out on ps4 but I'm tired of seeing the direction this game is going in

Slick_007

Jake1576 wrote: »

Either way if this change goes to live I'll probably take some time off from playing this game I've already put way to much time into this game and they want to continue to screw people over by nerfing this and that even know it doesn't need it it's ridiculous I'll probably either sell my account or take a long break eso is the only game I've played since it came out on ps4 but I'm tired of see the direction this game is going in

can i have your stuff? after you wipe your tears off it of course

geonsocal

i can't even remember the last time I was ganked, maybe sitting on a horse outside the front door of an outpost - afk...

ganking is dead...long live the tank...

Chronicburn

Well this along with the destro nerf just show that there is someone as zos who has nothing better to do and is clinging to his job by making stupid changes.

They are taking all the fun out of this game and soon every skill and every piece of gear will be the same so no one is unhappy

These nerfs are very depressing

Rohamad_Ali

So glad I left . This is just lol

Chronicburn

Thogard wrote: »

The issue is some people on PC were using addons to rapidly equip clever alchemist, get the proc, and then unequip the whole set and replace with something like Spriggans or Hundings before attacking.

The combat requirement prevents people from changing their gear after getting the proc.

I personally would prefer that they make it so that procing clever alchemist PUTS you in combat... it would have the same effect at preventing gankers with addons... but the “in combat” system is already buggy enough as is and I doubt they could pull that off.

I run CA and I will not be affected by this.

If someone wants to put in that much effort to have an edge, let them. They deserve the extra kills. Trust me, there is a lot of time involved in researching, installing and using all those add-ons. I never did much of it because it's not convenient. Now these *** are punishing everyone, even console players who don't have addons.

It's pisspoor game management and shows that the people running this game into the ground are not true gamers themselves ... more like communists, destroying the whole system with the false hope that trying to make everyone equal will make things better...

All the flavor of the game is going away and soon we will all have the same boring skills and be playing in our cookie cutter crappy houses ... sorry, I mean all of you

SFDB

geonsocal wrote: »

i can't even remember the last time I was ganked, maybe sitting on a horse outside the front door of an outpost - afk...

Try fishing, then you'll see people ganking again.

Chronicburn

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KingMagaw

So with Bow attack being nerfed so you cant hold it to start the fight from stealth,

Then Damage done from stealth being nerfed,

Then C.A being nerfed,

Then Miatts still functioning at its current state totally circumventing any sort of gank attempt


Guess all the crying done from players wearing light armour, all divines, adamant they wont use skills provided in the game and/or detect potions (Which magika has the best of) has worked.

All this does is continually make the Nightblade class worthless to play and wood elf passives for reduced stealth detection worthless and push more into Heavy armour cancerous builds.

Seemingly its either BALL GROUP spam up no skill or be continually farmed or not play. Instead of gradually adjusting things for a better game the angle is definitely now overhaul and have people massively change to keep interest.

Chronicburn

KingMagaw wrote: »

So with Bow attack being nerfed so you cant hold it to start the fight from stealth,

Then Damage done from stealth being nerfed,

Then C.A being nerfed,

Then Miatts still functioning at its current state totally circumventing any sort of gank attempt


Guess all the crying done from players wearing light armour, all divines, adamant they wont use skills provided in the game and/or detect potions (Which magika has the best of) has worked.

All this does is continually make the Nightblade class worthless to play and wood elf passives for reduced stealth detection worthless and push more into Heavy armour cancerous builds.

Seemingly its either BALL GROUP spam up no skill or be continually farmed or not play. Instead of gradually adjusting things for a better game the angle is definitely now overhaul and have people massively change to keep interest.

Honestly they are dumbing it down to the point where I suspect they are going for the FTP-PTW app game model

Chronicburn

I'm slightly addicted and won't quit yet but the odds of me every buying another game with zenimax on the box is about zero to none

geonsocal

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

So glad I left . This is just lol

I thought I had read a post where you were pleased with the turn towards balance after the morrowind patch?

was it mostly the PvP you were here for, that disappointed you?

have you lost a bunch of guild friends?

I hope you stay interested, in particular with this community...

when it comes to these forums - you're among the very best of us...

Rohamad_Ali

geonsocal wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

So glad I left . This is just lol

I thought I had read a post where you were pleased with the turn towards balance after the morrowind patch?

was it mostly the PvP you were here for, that disappointed you?

have you lost a bunch of guild friends?

I hope you stay interested, in particular with this community...

when it comes to these forums - you're among the very best of us...

I'm only interested in Art now .

I still PVE once a week .

geonsocal

i know folks will come and go...eso and elseweyr...

being a solo player - most of the folks I relate to are on this forum...

you have a great perspective on the game (which is normally pretty darn humorous) and a solid voice of reason...plus, you have a way with memes

Rohamad_Ali

geonsocal wrote: »

i know folks will come and go...eso and elseweyr...

being a solo player - most of the folks I relate to are on this forum...

you have a great perspective on the game (which is normally pretty darn humorous) and a solid voice of reason...plus, you have a way with memes

I won't ever leave eso entirely , having too much love for the lore and the friends . Changes like this to CA , that nobody asked for btw , are ones that drive me away from PVP . We had a huge damage nerf accross the board with the removal of a lot of proc set power last patch . That was great and needed ! But no one looked at changing the healing or defenses to compensate for the meta change . So we ended up in the end with a Defence meta which is way slower and boring then any burst meta ever was . This is what I think would be common sense with balance and we knew more changes were coming so I said ok and stayed optimistic ! Well , those changes are here and it's more offensive nerfs in a Defence heavy meta .

Ever watch heavy weight boxing and get bored when the two guys have to hug each other to death in the 8th and 9th round ? Their just exhausted , sweating and making more love then war . I usually go out for chips and salsa when that starts and get back in time for the judges decision . Because it's pretty slow and boring to me . That's PVP after these changes to me .

Narvuntien

wait wait what!.

That ruins my whole character >:(!!!!!

chaserstorm16909

Lol. I used to drink a potion, switch bars and gank away. Lucky for me I gave up clever alchemist after they nerfed the resource regeneration into the ground.