It puts people who either won't or can't use it at a disadvantage.
It is cheating.
cheat
CHēt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
The addon provides an unfair advantage or it wouldn't be useful. By definition...cheating.
It puts people who either won't or can't use it at a disadvantage.
It is cheating.
cheat
CHēt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
The addon provides an unfair advantage or it wouldn't be useful. By definition...cheating.
And who decides that criteria? You?
Or ZOS?
Binary question asked. Do you decide what is fair and unfair, or does ZOS?
Originally Posted by dorrino View Post
While you're here i have a question.
This change obviously severely limits the features of my addon. Can i (we) get an official stance on which parts of the addon are not desirable within ZOS design direction?
Even after the change i have some ideas how to still get the info i need for the addon to work. This will be noticeably more cumbersome and unreliable (probably) though.
In any case my intention is NOT to start an arms race with you guys. And i don't really want to spend hours of developing an intricate system to circumvent this change only to realize you will counter it with some other change
So, please, tell me which features are fine to have within your vision and which features will get an active countermeasures from you?
Thank you,
PS. Chip, in 5-10 min i'll PM you an exploit, that i found, that is very much possible with the current API. It technically allows to automate almost any players actions and CONDITIONALLY call protected and PRIVATE functions even when in combat. Cheers
ZOS_ChipHilseberg
I believe that it was anything that allows you to detect the presence or actions of a hostile player without having to see them.
That "logic" can be applied to practically every add on out there.
That "logic" can be applied to practically every add on out there.
Which other addon provides an in game advantage not part of the base game (i.e. seeing unseen opponents cast timers)?
There are plenty of addons which provide things of convenience, but not advantages over other players.
It puts people who either won't or can't use it at a disadvantage.
It is cheating.
cheat
CHēt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1. act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
The addon provides an unfair advantage or it wouldn't be useful. By definition...cheating.
And who decides that criteria? You?
Or ZOS?
Binary question asked. Do you decide what is fair and unfair, or does ZOS?
JonnytheKing wrote: »God , poeple need to grow up
Am very much Daoist in my view regarding rules and regulations
just spent a few minutes trying to nail down a definition of daoism...yikes, not so easy ...the only thing i really got was: living one with the world...which i actually thought was like having a gaia philosophy...so much to learn
this kinda sounds like anarchism though :the only thing that laws do is create criminals
and the only thing rules do is create cheaters
without terms attempting to dictate action, individuals are free to simply be
there has to be rules in games...and, you would hope for those competitors involved to embrace some semblance of "fair" play...
some third party creation hindering an entire playstyle (and to some degree class) doesn't seem fair at all...
https://www.ancient.eu/Lao-Tzu/The Tao-Te-Ching (Book of the Way) is an anti-intellectual, anti-authoritarian treatise which posits that the way of virtue lies in simplicity and a recognition of a natural, universal force known as the Tao. Lao-Tzu writes, “When we renounce learning we have no troubles…The ancients who showed their skill in practising the Tao did so not to enlighten people, but to make them simple and ignorant.” By `ignorant’ Lao-Tzu did not mean uninformed but, rather, purposefully focused on the present rather than accumulating knowledge which leads to idle speculation and complications in one’s own life and in the larger community. Lao-Tzu’s Taoism stood in direct contradiction to Confucius’ philosophy emphasizing education, knowledge as power, and strict adherence to the law. Lao-Tzu’s claim that “the more laws one makes, the more criminals one creates” is the antithesis of Confucius’s assertion that more laws make better citizens. Regarding Lao-Tzu’s claims, Durant writes,
The intellectual man is a danger to the state because he thinks in terms of regulations and laws; he wishes to construct a society like geometry, and does not realize that such regulation destroys the living freedom and vigor of the parts. The simpler man, who knows from his own experience the pleasure and efficacy of work, conceived and carried out in liberty, is less of a peril when he is in power, for he does not have to be told that a law is a dangerous thing, and may injure more than it may help. Such a ruler regulates men as little as possible. (654)
The person who wrote it admits it provides an unfair advantage.
Agree it is true, that is why it was stated.
"but nice try"
What on earth were you attempting to interpret my statement as being intended to express beyond what was written
o.O
The person who wrote it admits it provides an unfair advantage.
The person who wrote it strongly disagrees that any advantage that people can find in pvpalerts (or any other addon) can be unfair.
It's on a similar level with 'enabling nameplates provides unfair advantage over people who did not enable them'. Even advantage part is arguable and could be interpreted as a convenience. But unfairness has nothing to do with the whole ordeal whatsoever.
The person who wrote it admits it provides an unfair advantage.
The person who wrote it strongly disagrees that any advantage that people can find in pvpalerts (or any other addon) can be unfair.
It's on a similar level with 'enabling nameplates provides unfair advantage over people who did not enable them'. Even advantage part is arguable and could be interpreted as a convenience. But unfairness has nothing to do with the whole ordeal whatsoever.
He admitted in that interview that the addon provided an advantage. He just refuses to admit it is unfair justifying it by saying the code is there to use. Problem is some people are unable to run addons and he refuses to take that into account when addressing the fairness of the addon. That it provides an advantage is obvious and he admits it.
Nothing to decide with this. The addon provides unfair advantage. Even those who use it admit that. The person who wrote it admits it provides an unfair advantage. All that is left is for ZoS to decide if this level of cheating warrants any disciplinary actions.
I understand that people need to sleep at night and feel good about their game play so they make excuses. In the end though we all know the addon is an unfair advantage and is cheating.
Sixteen hours later. And they have not taken action against me.
And they're coming to take me away ha-haaa
They're coming to take me away ha-haaa ***-*** hee-hee
To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young men
In their clean white coats
actually met the guy who wrote this when i was a kid...drinking buddy of my dad...
i think you're safe for the moment @Riejael ...but, you should definitely keep checking just to make sure...
... - thank you very much for taking the time to write and explain...i really appreciate it...
if you're not growing, you're dying...
There're no people who can't run addons, while still being able to play the game. There's literally nothing that stops people from customizing their interface in whatever way they choose. Therefore there're zero grounds for unfairness. If you choose not to run it, you consider the result fair towards you.
This is based on everyone who plays ESO knows about animation canceling. That is the fallacy here. New players dont know and then by distinction/admission they are at a disadvantage when playing. It is simply not fair that environment.
Simplistically animation canceling provides a direct advantage over someone not using it. Enough said - ZoS should look at the AC and done what they did before and that is to restrict it like was done before
Anything that the base game doesn't provide can be considered an unfair advantage. It's advantageous to me to use TTC to find the prices of stuff with the click of a button over someone who can't or won't run the add on themselves. Someone already pointed out Raidnotifier.
Also, if you're going to champion against using a specific add on, you might not want to link your Youtube in your signature, which features at least one video of you using that exact add on. (Didn't bother watching any of the others because I'm too busy laughing at the blatant hypocrisy)
@Dorrino
I am curious (without judging if your addon is bad or not), why did you create this addon? Was it to give the opportunity to counter the insane burst from some skills (like snipe for example and incap strike from stealth) and combos (ganking)?
I really like to know if it was in this purpose.