Most importantly , you need to know standart DPS results of your class . For example , Stamina Nightblades can do 50k DPS on a 3m dummy while Magicka Templars hardly reach 38-40k .
You also need to know what kind of support you need . Magicka Dragonknights cannot do a proper parse without someone else applying Minor Vulnerability and Off-Balance .
Also know that dummy tests don't mean much . While a Stamina Nightblade hits 45-50k on dummy , a Stamina Dragonknight will hit around 35-40k . That doesn't mean Stamina Nightblade is stronger . Most likely , Stamina Dragonknight will do higher DPS in a raid .
What you should do is , let's say you are a Magicka Sorcerer , looking at other Magicka Sorcerer's parses and look if they cheesed it or not . For example , Lover stone is definition of cheese while it is next to useless in a raid . You also need to look at their Resource Regen/Drain rate . If Drain is significantly higher than Regen , that means they are using a rotation that is not sustainable in a long combat , which are very common in raids as some fights can take 7-10 minutes .
Hope this helps . Good luck
No, he didn't mean external ele drain--that is standard in proper dummy parses. He meant the Regen/s and Drain/s numbers in Combat Metrics. A 40K sorc parse will usually have something like a 500 or higher difference between the Regen/s and Drain/s stats, which means it's not a sustainable parse. I.e., if they tried to do it on a 6M dummy, their numbers would be much lower. It means that they started the parse with a full mag bar and ended it dry.how is drain a cheese?
veteran target skeleton (not hard mode)
That's the part a lot of people don't understand.[*] Having someone providing Major Fracture / Breach (especially Elemental Drain), orbs as an option (mostly for magicka) - possibly Worm's cult as well for magicka DDs, but no other damage buff (not even Minor Berzerk from Combat prayer).
Keep in mind your machine and latency between you and server. Anybody with semi - decent machine can get to 15k dps. After that it is question to minmax (but you will not be able to get higher than 20k if you have 20fps) and machine/latency.
To get to the top you will need 60+ fps and less than 60ms latency. Those are the limits after 20k dps, not the equipment or game technique. So, the real top scores are for the guys with good machines sitting near the servers. Your game technique and minmax equipment can you get you only to some point, after that you should have good machine and , ideally, be on the good network to the server.
-vovus
WatchYourSixx wrote: »@vovus69 your machine does not impact your ability to dps as much as you suggest. The biggest impact would be latency, and ive seen Aussies playing on the NA server pull well over 30k DPS and they naturally have *** ping. I almost always have 20 fps or less and still manage over 35k dps in trials. And that's usually with subpar group buffs. Now, if you're getting 5-10 fps or 500+ ping then sure, your dps will suffer.
People really need to stop caring about those numbers.....
Use it to test stuff *comparatively*. You can do this by seeing how much your damage changes when trying different gear, rotations, and when testing how much each buff increases your damage. It helps you determine what is essentially BiS for your character.
Are you performing your rotation consistently and without mistakes? Can you do it without looking at your add-ons? Can you replicate it in a trial? Can you replicate it in lag? Can you replicate it while performing mechanics?
All of these things actually matter when you’re running a trial. Who cares if you can pull big numbers by cheesing a target dummy using a build made to look strong against target dummies when it sucks in trials and you can’t even replicate your rotation in combat+constantly die.
People really need to stop caring about those numbers.....
Use it to test stuff *comparatively*. You can do this by seeing how much your damage changes when trying different gear, rotations, and when testing how much each buff increases your damage. It helps you determine what is essentially BiS for your character.
Are you performing your rotation consistently and without mistakes? Can you do it without looking at your add-ons? Can you replicate it in a trial? Can you replicate it in lag? Can you replicate it while performing mechanics?
All of these things actually matter when you’re running a trial. Who cares if you can pull big numbers by cheesing a target dummy using a build made to look strong against target dummies when it sucks in trials and you can’t even replicate your rotation in combat+constantly die.
This - but so many guilds REALLY DO require an insane skeleton parse. I think the % group DPS you are doing is a far better tell of where you really are.
Lots of people talk a LOT of garbage; but I have been to Pledges with several of these 'high dps skelly' guys and when I am pulling 60%+ group dps - and my DPS is really only average - well something ain't right. Some guys GENUINELY have very high DPS that is true. Just nowhere near the number people would like you to think!
People really need to stop caring about those numbers.....
Use it to test stuff *comparatively*. You can do this by seeing how much your damage changes when trying different gear, rotations, and when testing how much each buff increases your damage. It helps you determine what is essentially BiS for your character.
Are you performing your rotation consistently and without mistakes? Can you do it without looking at your add-ons? Can you replicate it in a trial? Can you replicate it in lag? Can you replicate it while performing mechanics?
All of these things actually matter when you’re running a trial. Who cares if you can pull big numbers by cheesing a target dummy using a build made to look strong against target dummies when it sucks in trials and you can’t even replicate your rotation in combat+constantly die.
This - but so many guilds REALLY DO require an insane skeleton parse. I think the % group DPS you are doing is a far better tell of where you really are.
Lots of people talk a LOT of garbage; but I have been to Pledges with several of these 'high dps skelly' guys and when I am pulling 60%+ group dps - and my DPS is really only average - well something ain't right. Some guys GENUINELY have very high DPS that is true. Just nowhere near the number people would like you to think!
The difference in DPS between a target skeleton build and a trial build is pretty huge. I can make Magicka Wardens look strong against a target skeleton lol.
As a rule of thumb, any guild that cares enough of target skeleton parses is probably a joke to begin with. That kinda sums up a lot of guilds unfortunately but it is what it is
On console it is more acceptable. PC players have add-ons though that display parses against bosses in actual raids. These are usually great indicators.
I have seen people, who say they do 41k to target skeletons and dwemers, but how? How did you test your damage?
My best damage is 15k to veteran target skeleton (not hard mode) under 4 minutes. I always kill that whole skeleton alone without extra buffs. I do that, because it gives you most realistic result. It makes you think how you keep your resourcers high. I use potions too when I'm doing test.
- Lover Mundus
- Penetration cap
- Prismatic Enchant on weapon
- Deadric Tombs etc
Cheese, cheese for everyone!
i can achieve 41 to 42k without any cheese other than the lover mundus
using apprentice, i can still get 39 to 40k dps on my mag sorc
if you cheese that hard and only get 41k, thats actually pitiful, esp with mines
MyrddinEmrys wrote: »For the longest time, I was really worried that I was doing something VERY wrong with my MagSorc, because on a good day, I would get 25k DPS on a target dummy, 30k if I got lucky with CF, crits, and I remembered to keep my DOTs up during execute. Then after doing a lot of vet hard mode content, I realized that if my DPS was that low, there was no way we would be completing the bosses as quickly as we were, especially when the other DPS was spending over half the fight dead because he didn't have enough health. So I did a little math (Im on xbox so live parses are not a thing), and discovered that my DPS was actually, at a minimum, 43k DPS (Of course, this was with buffs/debufs as well).
TL;DR - Its not all about the dummy DPS. Your ability to be a good player is WAY more than that one number.
PS - Also, remember that its not all about Single Target DPS either. Being able to clear trash mobs quickly in vet trials makes a HUGE difference.
So thats why people do 40k+ on PTS with 500 ping. But for real, this is a factor, but not that important.
Drummerx04 wrote: »MyrddinEmrys wrote: »For the longest time, I was really worried that I was doing something VERY wrong with my MagSorc, because on a good day, I would get 25k DPS on a target dummy, 30k if I got lucky with CF, crits, and I remembered to keep my DOTs up during execute. Then after doing a lot of vet hard mode content, I realized that if my DPS was that low, there was no way we would be completing the bosses as quickly as we were, especially when the other DPS was spending over half the fight dead because he didn't have enough health. So I did a little math (Im on xbox so live parses are not a thing), and discovered that my DPS was actually, at a minimum, 43k DPS (Of course, this was with buffs/debufs as well).
TL;DR - Its not all about the dummy DPS. Your ability to be a good player is WAY more than that one number.
PS - Also, remember that its not all about Single Target DPS either. Being able to clear trash mobs quickly in vet trials makes a HUGE difference.
I would be careful about drawing those conclusions. If your average magsorc parse on a dummy is a little over 25k, then you aren't suddenly doing 43k minimum on a trials boss. A more likely situation if you have a couple good stam dps in group is that they are actually pulling around 50k single target over the entire fight even WITH a death or two.
Bosses often move, you need to break rotation to shield/avoid something/handle a mechanic, ping spikes/lag, etc. All these things affect your parse. With perfect uptime of trial buffs, being very generous, I'd say as a magsorc you'll get maybe a 30-40% dps increase, or in your case 32-35k single target.
You are however correct that good AoE damage to clear adds quickly is very important and should not be undervalued.
I do not mean to put you down, it sounds like you have an excellent survival rate in trials which imo is an extremely overlooked ability. I just don't want you to get complacent and find yourself in situations where people kick you from guilds because you don't want to run a pet.
Crom_CCCXVI wrote: »Don't forget most people are lying...
When someone tells me there stam character burns down a target dummy with 50k per sec, it seems they never have the video.