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Which class requires the most skill to play well?
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Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Depends on role.
If DPS, its all the same, put up buffs, attack-animation cancel, and use procs if any.
Healer anything but Templar is just morph your class's heals, throw on resto and watch healthbars and keep magicka up.
Tanks are a little different between classes and specs.
Ironic, DPS seems simple, and it is for the most part, but people still don't quite get it right for some reason.
I hope you don't actually do that as a healer, you should be doing so much more than that.1 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Mag TemplarI saw people mentioned Stam NB a lot as a "hard" build to play. In fact I find it to be much easier to play than Mag Templar. At least I know I can burst stuff fast and not run out of resources and if I die it's clearly a big mistake I've done.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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EvilAutoTech✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam DKI chose DK because I kept getting rekt by Verrik on my Redguard DK. I was like level 4 or 5 so not really stamina or magicka at the time. After playing a Templar, DK was so hard to learn. That was 3 years ago and she's still only level 16.0 -
Megabear✭✭✭✭✭
✭Stam NBStam blade. Both in PvE and PvP imo.Guide to making $$$ in Tamriel: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/370618/guide-to-making-gold-in-eso/p1?new=1
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag NBstamblade required the MOST skill to play? really? Stealth -> Endless Hail -> Ambush -> spin to win -> Execute with Killer's Blade.
Doesn't get any easier than that. At least for PvE. Can't say for PvP since I have yet to set foot in Cyrodiil.
Except that if you're using Cloak in PvE you're not playing stamina NB well.
Endless Hail does NOT break stealth as long as you attack BEFORE the first damage tick. I get the extra damage from attacking an opponent from behind while stealthed as a bonus to ambush.
Stealthy Passive:
•Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%
Master Assassin Passive:
•Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%. The stun from the Crouch ability stuns for 100% longer.
Ambush:
•Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I saw people mentioned Stam NB a lot as a "hard" build to play. In fact I find it to be much easier to play than Mag Templar. At least I know I can burst stuff fast and not run out of resources and if I die it's clearly a big mistake I've done.
There is a big difference though, between a class which takes a lot of skill to get close to the ceiling and a class which just has a low ceiling.0 -
Kurkikohtaus✭✭✭Mag SorcerorDespite it's obvious potential, MagSorc is spectacularly easy... to play BADLY.2 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭stamblade required the MOST skill to play? really? Stealth -> Endless Hail -> Ambush -> spin to win -> Execute with Killer's Blade.
Doesn't get any easier than that. At least for PvE. Can't say for PvP since I have yet to set foot in Cyrodiil.
Except that if you're using Cloak in PvE you're not playing stamina NB well.
Endless Hail does NOT break stealth as long as you attack BEFORE the first damage tick. I get the extra damage from attacking an opponent from behind while stealthed as a bonus to ambush.
Stealthy Passive:
•Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%
Master Assassin Passive:
•Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%. The stun from the Crouch ability stuns for 100% longer.
Ambush:
•Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.
While I'm sure that's fun when you're playing overland PvE content, I don't think that should be the benchmark for whether you're playing your class well.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA1 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag NBThe biggest problem about magblade is that even if you completely master light attack weaving with Strife, you can still fail so many tines due to FPS and Ping problems. If you fail some light attacks, you won't have as many Assassin's Will procs.
My dps is brutal on Target centurion when we are measuring group dps in my guild. However, inside a trial (talking about vMOL specificaly) I suffer a significant fps drop and my dps goes down by a solid margin. One could say that it's natural to have lower dps with lower fps. But when I go with my magDK, I suffer the same fps drop like always but my damage is +-the same like on target centurion. I can still LA weave Flame Lashes easily even with lower fps, but weaving Strife is impossible in that case.1 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam NBNot that they're tough to play (are any?) but they do need more micromanangement because they're all about the DOT refresh.
What's hard about Hail > LA > Caltrops > LA > Injection > swap > HA > Trap > HA > Claw > HA > Slashes > HA > Deadly Cloak > LA > Flames of Oblivion? This is the rotation that gives you the most DPS and there 0 micromanagement involved. You can literally put all the skills on your bar in the order you activate them in and boom. DKs are the class with the highest single target DPS and the least brain work...@ Izaki #PCEU
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stam NBActually_Goku wrote: »I voted Mag Sorc, which is probably a bit silly to some, but hear me out.
While Mag Sorc isn't hard to be decent at, if you are TRULY great as a Mag Sorc, you're unbeatable.
It's hard to suck as a Sorc, but it's also got imo arguably the highest skill ceiling in the game, equal with Stamblade. Both squishy, have to be able to react to what is happening around you moreso than DK's and Templars due to innate tankiness and healing respectively.
20% of Mag Sorcs suck, 70% fall into the below/average/above-average threshold of ESO players. Very few people are elite as Mag Sorcs at least in my view, in comparison to other specs. For example, it's hard to suck as a Stam Sorc or DK, keep your buffs up, spam dizzying swing and heal when you need, and you'll be fine 90% of the time
EDIT: honourable mention to Magblade. It was the last spec I rolled, so perhaps has more to do with natural reactions etc, but I honestly could not get the hang of magblade. I went from being pretty close to winning probably 9/10 duels on Mag Sorc and DK, to struggling to win any as a magblade.
Well.. In PvE its very hard to suck on a mag sorc lol@ Izaki #PCEU
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PlagueSD✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mag NBstamblade required the MOST skill to play? really? Stealth -> Endless Hail -> Ambush -> spin to win -> Execute with Killer's Blade.
Doesn't get any easier than that. At least for PvE. Can't say for PvP since I have yet to set foot in Cyrodiil.
Except that if you're using Cloak in PvE you're not playing stamina NB well.
Endless Hail does NOT break stealth as long as you attack BEFORE the first damage tick. I get the extra damage from attacking an opponent from behind while stealthed as a bonus to ambush.
Stealthy Passive:
•Increases damage done while in Stealth by 10%
Master Assassin Passive:
•Increases Weapon and Spell Damage while invisible or stealthed by 10%. The stun from the Crouch ability stuns for 100% longer.
Ambush:
•Also grants you Empower, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%.
While I'm sure that's fun when you're playing overland PvE content, I don't think that should be the benchmark for whether you're playing your class well.
I attack stuff, it dies. I don't. I think that's playing well. Especially considering how "squishy" everyone says a Nightblade is. I have absolutely zero issues with survivability solo...and I don't have Vigor.0 -
Zbigb4life✭✭✭✭Mag NBMyNameIsElias wrote: »Magicka sorc 100%, i once dueled @Valencer s magicka sorc while on my magicka warden, it was quite hard because he has the skill to time his shields correctly to avoid my bursts
You sure he isn't using the addon Miat's?0 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stam NBI agree with top 2 spots on the vote list.
sNB and mNB do require most skill to be played as intended.
I think sTemp is not easy as well, especially after nerfs class suffered.
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Sneaky-Snurr✭✭✭✭✭Mag NB
@PlagueSDstamblade required the MOST skill to play? really? Stealth -> Endless Hail -> Ambush -> spin to win -> Execute with Killer's Blade.
Doesn't get any easier than that. At least for PvE. Can't say for PvP since I have yet to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I think the learning curve of stam- and mag-blades in PvP are similarly steep at the highest degree when compared to other classes.
In PvP, running a NB requires a lot of in-combat finesse (ie. when and how to strike) and entry/exit strategy.
And I agree with you on Magblades in PvE, it is a little harder to play than Stamblades as a whole hence why I voted Magblades in the poll but you really over-simplified what Stamblades do in PvE in which you implied that they don't require much skill to play.
That I disagree.Edited by Sneaky-Snurr on October 11, 2017 9:19AMThe Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag Sorcerorhas this been trolled? feel like results have been trolled.
Mag sorc has to be one of the harder ones to master thats for sure, you gotta understand timing, situation awareness, knowing when to exploit (not actual exploiting) an enemy for maximum impact, knowing how to stay mobile and most of all making sure you aren't vulnerable for a moment else you die.
well from a PvP prospective anyways.
results for stam NB is accurate in PvE.PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stam NBA few patches ago I would not have voted Stamblade
but with the nerfs to stealth, everyone running 30k+ health in heavy armour and Miat's alert addon, it takes a lot of skill to actually kill people quickly and get away safely in the current meta1 -
Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Mag NBGotta go with Magblade tbh. They have one of the more complex rotations in PVE, and really reward strong mechanics through things like Relentless focus and DOT management.
PVP wise they have a wide variety of tools in their arsenal, but to be truly powerful they need to use all of those tools in tandem.
I can probably count on one hand the number of really good magblades I have fought. Mostly they just end up being squishier sorcs with less damage.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stam NBStam nightblade if you don't have Vigor from the Alliance War skill line. Once you get Vigor, stamina nb becomes so much easier to play.
Otherwise, Magicka Nightblade is probably harder to play effectively.
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Crom_CCCXVI✭✭✭✭✭EVERYTHING OTHER THAN A SHEILD STACKING SORC...... is the most skilled class to play. (If it actually took skill 80% of Cyrodil wouldn't be playing one).
I play a concussion build DK, takes quite a bit of skill. First you have to get the guy concussed using a charged staff and a lightning glyph, then you have to get them off balance usually with elemental wall, then you need to apply the damage (normally with Power Lash) all the while staying alive, - you are doing equal part fire and lightning damage so you need armor sets to accomodate both, your not the META so you have to deal with the Youtube guys who think every DK needs to be wearing Burning Spellweave
and finally your fighting off the never ending nerfs that come to your class and the buffs that seem to be applied to magik Sorcs every single update.
But in the end, trying to play a class that is a just a exact duplicate of everyone else is worth the effort.Edited by Crom_CCCXVI on October 11, 2017 12:28PM0 -
pizzaow✭✭✭✭Mag NBI've been trying to play Mag Templar well in vMA for amost a month now and every run is just awful. DPS, especially burst is not that bad but is the sustain that's killing me. With ~1.5K recovery and good weaving. Also it seems to be something fishy about radiant oppression. It doesn't seem the damage scales properly although I make sure I only cast it under 15% and pump up my magicka before. I would certainly not bring that character in any veteran dungeon, let alone trial, as DD. I'm missing something for sure but the fact improvement has been really slow compared to the other classes I play certainly says something about the necessary skill level.
@Asardes, if you haven't seen it @Gilliamtherogue did a nice analysis on MagPlar. And you're right, radiant oppression felt the full force of the morrowind changes more than other skills; all skills used to be multiplicative with each other (including CP), but now most are independently calculated then added... radiant oppression uses a lot of buffs which no longer scale of each other. So, that combined with the direct nerf really hurt the skill.
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