Nihilos wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Does this mean you can't use atypical skill and can't have success. Not at all. Maybe it means you're just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill. Maybe you are so accustomed to plying in a 4 person group with voice coms that you have such good synergy that you can make excellent use of a niche skill that people playing solo have no way to accomplish. Or maybe you're just luck enough not to play in a zerg happy server where masses of enemies don;t mercilessly chase you down and thus can have a bit more freedom for your ability bars. There are many reasons. Just because you have success using a particular skill does not automatically mean that skill is good and this the reason for you success. Your success is not an automatic endorsement or validation for the skill.

Honestly, this is really a jibe at me and those that have made good use of Total Dark. "Just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill..." So basically, I'm a good player. And yet for some reason dumb to be using that skill. I mean....come on...when the attitude on the forums gets like this, what's the point? I guess I'm just getting lucky with the skill.

So we can't criticize an ability or call it weak because you will get your feelings hurt? Give me a break.

You miss the point and again revert to trying to be superior. Your not.

Alchuri, I didn't even know you used Total Dark until now. You know why? Because anybody running a group like you run in is running purge. Did you know that purge gets rid of Total Dark?

All the times I've died to TKG are not because Total Dark screwed me up, it's because I've gotten mowed down by several times my numbers. Hey, maybe your Total Dark strat is super sick when you take your group on a journey to nab that pesky 1 magblade that just won't stop running away from you (god forbid).

There are without a doubt many far better skills to slap on your bar as a magplar. Hell, I would rather use Shards in it's current, wildly gimped state over Eclipse.

I would disagree with the other Templars here that magplar doesn't do any damage, though. Magplar suffers from two big problems: garbage can mobility and no reliable stun. I personally overcome the first problem by using a combination of CP with some other things, but the stun thing is cancer.

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Quite the salty one aren't you, Nihilos. Nice of you to bring your animosity of my guild into this thread. Sorry you think we beat you with more numbers, but if that makes you feel better at he end of the night's play, feel good man. But this is a thread about Templars, not me or my guild. For he sake of the thread, be a bit more mature.

P.s. Not that it matters, but we have strict rules about not attacking solo players or small groups . If you attack us, then we will of course attack you back. There are a few exceptions however. If you repeatedly send angry hate whispers to more than one in our guild, you may end up on a kill on sight list.

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maxjapank wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Does this mean you can't use atypical skill and can't have success. Not at all. Maybe it means you're just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill. Maybe you are so accustomed to plying in a 4 person group with voice coms that you have such good synergy that you can make excellent use of a niche skill that people playing solo have no way to accomplish. Or maybe you're just luck enough not to play in a zerg happy server where masses of enemies don;t mercilessly chase you down and thus can have a bit more freedom for your ability bars. There are many reasons. Just because you have success using a particular skill does not automatically mean that skill is good and this the reason for you success. Your success is not an automatic endorsement or validation for the skill.

Honestly, this is really a jibe at me and those that have made good use of Total Dark. "Just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill..." So basically, I'm a good player. And yet for some reason dumb to be using that skill. I mean....come on...when the attitude on the forums gets like this, what's the point? I guess I'm just getting lucky with the skill.

So we can't criticize an ability or call it weak because you will get your feelings hurt? Give me a break.

You miss the point and again revert to trying to be superior. Your not.

Alchuri, I didn't even know you used Total Dark until now. You know why? Because anybody running a group like you run in is running purge. Did you know that purge gets rid of Total Dark?

All the times I've died to TKG are not because Total Dark screwed me up, it's because I've gotten mowed down by several times my numbers. Hey, maybe your Total Dark strat is super sick when you take your group on a journey to nab that pesky 1 magblade that just won't stop running away from you (god forbid).

There are without a doubt many far better skills to slap on your bar as a magplar. Hell, I would rather use Shards in it's current, wildly gimped state over Eclipse.

I would disagree with the other Templars here that magplar doesn't do any damage, though. Magplar suffers from two big problems: garbage can mobility and no reliable stun. I personally overcome the first problem by using a combination of CP with some other things, but the stun thing is cancer.

Don't take this personally either. I think a lot of you guys in TKG are super nice people and you have every right to play whatever way you want to. However, I do not consider any of you the authority on anything other than holding block and healing in a giant group. If I need advice about how to take keeps though I'll hit you up.

Quite the salty one aren't you, Nihilos. Nice of you to bring your animosity of my guild into this thread. Sorry you think we beat you with more numbers, but if that makes you feel better at he end of the night's play, feel good man. But this is a thread about Templars, not me or my guild. For he sake of the thread, be a bit more mature.

P.s. Not that it matters, but we have strict rules about not attacking solo players or small groups . If you attack us, then we will of course attack you back. There are a few exceptions however. If you repeatedly send angry hate whispers to more than one in our guild, you may end up on a kill on sight list.

My point was that you and all your friends are bad players and have no ground to stand on when it comes to talking about anything. I'm not upset, that's just a fact. I actually like some of your members.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

LordSlif wrote: »

i cant belive it a buff on empower omg,. what should i do? spam javelin that is a range skill?

Or Backlash/morphs or something else from a weapon skill line.
It really doesn't do anything for most templar skills and there isn't anything great to use it on.

dnt work on backlash

It works on the initial damage, not the copied damage. Empower works on any direct damage skill, with cast time or without. That's why Dark Flare makes sense having it.

maxjapank wrote: »

Nihilos wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Does this mean you can't use atypical skill and can't have success. Not at all. Maybe it means you're just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill. Maybe you are so accustomed to plying in a 4 person group with voice coms that you have such good synergy that you can make excellent use of a niche skill that people playing solo have no way to accomplish. Or maybe you're just luck enough not to play in a zerg happy server where masses of enemies don;t mercilessly chase you down and thus can have a bit more freedom for your ability bars. There are many reasons. Just because you have success using a particular skill does not automatically mean that skill is good and this the reason for you success. Your success is not an automatic endorsement or validation for the skill.

Honestly, this is really a jibe at me and those that have made good use of Total Dark. "Just a good enough player to overcome using a not very good skill..." So basically, I'm a good player. And yet for some reason dumb to be using that skill. I mean....come on...when the attitude on the forums gets like this, what's the point? I guess I'm just getting lucky with the skill.

So we can't criticize an ability or call it weak because you will get your feelings hurt? Give me a break.

You miss the point and again revert to trying to be superior. Your not.

Alchuri, I didn't even know you used Total Dark until now. You know why? Because anybody running a group like you run in is running purge. Did you know that purge gets rid of Total Dark?

All the times I've died to TKG are not because Total Dark screwed me up, it's because I've gotten mowed down by several times my numbers. Hey, maybe your Total Dark strat is super sick when you take your group on a journey to nab that pesky 1 magblade that just won't stop running away from you (god forbid).

There are without a doubt many far better skills to slap on your bar as a magplar. Hell, I would rather use Shards in it's current, wildly gimped state over Eclipse.

I would disagree with the other Templars here that magplar doesn't do any damage, though. Magplar suffers from two big problems: garbage can mobility and no reliable stun. I personally overcome the first problem by using a combination of CP with some other things, but the stun thing is cancer.

Don't take this personally either. I think a lot of you guys in TKG are super nice people and you have every right to play whatever way you want to. However, I do not consider any of you the authority on anything other than holding block and healing in a giant group. If I need advice about how to take keeps though I'll hit you up.

Quite the salty one aren't you, Nihilos. Nice of you to bring your animosity of my guild into this thread. Sorry you think we beat you with more numbers, but if that makes you feel better at he end of the night's play, feel good man. But this is a thread about Templars, not me or my guild. For he sake of the thread, be a bit more mature.

P.s. Not that it matters, but we have strict rules about not attacking solo players or small groups . If you attack us, then we will of course attack you back. There are a few exceptions however. If you repeatedly send angry hate whispers to more than one in our guild, you may end up on a kill on sight list.

LOL
Strict rules...HAH!

You're a big group with enemy marks over your head. You know they will attack so you use that to justify attacking those solo/small groups.
The excuse "we wouldn't attack them if they didn't attack us while we threatened them in the first place in an area where everybody else attacks" is just a scapegoat. And there is no way a big group of people is ever that "honorable". People in a group are jackals looking for an easy meal more often than not, especially with internet anonymity.

The only time I've ever sent a tell to them was to ask Vanzan what about tanking he finds fun. I was genuinely curious, and he said he prefers to play it because of how bad his ping is. Tanking to me looks boring and I wanted to know

Yep thats the buff we need...0.2 seconds faster nova... this sarcasm in here.
Zenimax get your stuff together and read some posts in here, a ton of good ideas where given to you by those people, who actually play a templar.
Redo the change to cleansing ritual, 5 effects can be nothing in pvp, if you ancounter all those negative effect spam skills...some builds apply negative effects faster than you can cleanse them.
Give the templar its stun back, we dont want to rely on vamp drain or destructive touch, since javelin doesnt match templar und toppling/explosive charge gets you into a loading screen 11/10.
Stop it with solar barrage, we dont need any empower on that skill, another buff/debuff would be appreciated and the cast time kills the skill anyway.
Eclypse still is niche and probably wont be used very much, since it still applies cc immunity and it doesnt work on cc immune enemies or bosses.

So, apparently everyone just jumped on bandwagon of whine and ignored insane buff that Eclipse got?
1. Eclipse - amazing changes that made this skill back to top pvp Templar skill and earned its place on skill bar.
Skill now proc unblockable damage on every single game single-target skills, AoE skills, DoTs, proc sets, ultimates. It is 100% reliability. And with 67% damage boost it proc as much damage as once reflected, but now all permablockers will suffer from it.
Total Dark - as said now proc against everything, including all ults. Was tsting it to apply on enemy second before he land ultimates - and even Incap didn't moved my hp bar even on single %. And all attacks of enemy while bubbled instead of damaging me de facto healing me.. Perfect defensive CC morph with high offense capability..
Unstable Core - changes of las patch made this morph almost perfect. ZoS listened and implemented our ideas and got rid of all drawbacks this morph once had. It is now 3 imes stronger than on live and finally comparable to its power with Total Dark.
That is tooltip of Core of my char on pts:

After change it means that single target reflect will proc 100% on cast. And since it always happen like couple attacks before enemy realize he CCed -
1. it will proc 2-3 times with unnerfed tooltip of 11k unblockable/undodgeable/unabsorbable damage to enemy. Then enemy CC Break it and proc unnerfed tooltip of 10k unblockable/undodgeable/unabsorbable 5m AoE explosion (that is higher than initial hit of any other AoE)...
2. Then you can immideately reapply solar bomb on CC immune enemy that one again explode unblockable AoE explosion after 5 sec... Then coz gcd you can do step one and repeat.
It means skill became singletarget+AoE CC that you can spam non-stop and lock opponent in CC by cooldown. Every cast is CC with high damage reflect and AoE explosion, every second cast is high damage unblockbale AoE. As unblockable damage it now counter tanks same as unblockable Curse of sorcs (every dk felt how much unblockable damage hurt) and now with combination of Backlash it will grant ton of burst unblockable damage.
And even that is not all: solar bomb is treated same as Inevitable Detonation: if debuffed enemy died - solar bomb will still explode after cd, even previous counter, purge, not working against it anymore - if enemy purged solar bomb it still will explode upon purging.
And even more - you can no longer waste solar bombs casts in vain: every time you reapply new one, previous is exploding. It means you can cause unblockable AoE explosion but any time simply recasting skill(if your sustain allow it):

All reason why UC was bad are removed completely.
Only small change I think about is reduce range of it and reduce cost, would be even stronger.

But there is still several problems that I hope will be fixed in next 2 weeks:
1. Patchnotes mention you can no longer cast Prison, Petirfy, Total Dark on CC immune enemies, as far as I understand it means skills should have CC checks and not be wasted, as it was previously. However it not working and all those abilities still draining magicka:

2. Still old bug when enemy grant CC immunity by purging Eclipse:

3. It still grant CC immunity for free after expire. Soft CCs should not grant CC immunity unless actively countered.

2. Solar Barrage - easy way to make skill usefull and benefit from triple-empower - is to make it being counted as direct damage attacks and for such reason to empower each own tick. Also remove cast time. Plain and simple.

3. Healing Ritual - make it uninterruptable, same as Barrage, since its melee ability too. In such way it will be stronger than Healing Springs for Templars. Another morph should be still interruptable but work as previously - instead of heal, apply on self long HoT that ticking several times. Visual effect still remained attached to one of morphs, despite not functioning anymore.

4. Problems with Templar skills, reported here and in bug section, benefitted from CP still not fixed.

5. Since sustain is so important for Templar - once again asking to buff Honor the Dead to restore resources over 6 sec instead of 8. And to make defensive skill - Rune focus, more equal to defensive skills of other classes - increase duration of its effect from 8 sec to at least 10.

@ZOS_Wrobel