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Clever Alchemist in PTS 3.2.3
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.PS4 NA DC1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ok let's run how this works.
Have at least two sets on you at all times, but usually is 3.
Step 1. Cloak.
Step 2. Swap into buff gear and skill setup.
Step 3. Buff up, clever alch, savagery, brutality etc
Step 4. Swap into engagement gear, skills so 40k+ stamina
Step 5. Burst unsuspecting player with stats impossible to have with gear currently being worn.
Step 6. Profit?
If you were doing this, you make this game worse.
Edit: also, this is done with macros/add-ons so it's instant. Swap, buff,swap in < 1 second. There are people with 5,6,7 setups on them that they can hit their macro button and swap into their chosen set up at any time. That is complete b.s. and again, if this is your play style you make the game worse.Edited by yodased on October 10, 2017 3:39PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.4 -
ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerGreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.
This change will be on all platforms once the update goes live, yes. Even though this was most commonly seen on PC due to addon usage, it could technically be done on console too (though it'd be difficult to pull off). We can't have abilities doing different things on different servers, though.6 -
HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »Hi there folks, I'll take partial responsibility for reporting this issue to ZOS.
Most of you seem to be viewing this as anti-gank, but it's not, this is anti-exploit. Folks started to notice a pattern with certain Nightblade streamers: proc clever alchemist, buff up, swap sets, swap abilities, and then attack. All the changes were made with just a few clicks of macro buttons and addons that swap gear sets & skills. These individuals would enjoy excessive weapon damage while also getting high health and stamina, great for oneshotting players. Then, being nightblades, they could stealth, get out of combat, and repeat.
Personally, I hope this is just the start of a few changes. There are several other similar sets being exploited in similar fashion, most revolving around the Nightblade and how their cloak ability let's them get out of combat quick to swap out armor & abilities. If it were to be made the most simple I'd say when an item set procs or an ability is used, you shouldn't be able to swap gear till the effect is gone.
My final thought: This is not the the way the game was meant to be played, and many of you exploiting this know that. If you feel differently though feel free to reply and admit you were using this gear swap method and try to justify it. I haven't seen one yet but I know you Nightblade mains are hiding out there, upset that your exploit is getting fixed but unable to say why.
ah, but it makes sense to play the game with addons which tell you when an attack is coming out of stealth?
You have funny sights on "what the game is meant to be"..............
Stop your false equivalence BS to justify obvious exploiting. Yes I think they need to patch it so that addon doesn't work to give notifications and no I don't use it. That doesn't mean enjoying buffs and procs from other sets you completely swapped out and aren't even wearing.BigBadVolk wrote: »HeroOfNone wrote: »Hi there folks, I'll take partial responsibility for reporting this issue to ZOS.
Most of you seem to be viewing this as anti-gank, but it's not, this is anti-exploit. Folks started to notice a pattern with certain Nightblade streamers: proc clever alchemist, buff up, swap sets, swap abilities, and then attack. All the changes were made with just a few clicks of macro buttons and addons that swap gear sets & skills. These individuals would enjoy excessive weapon damage while also getting high health and stamina, great for oneshotting players. Then, being nightblades, they could stealth, get out of combat, and repeat.
Personally, I hope this is just the start of a few changes. There are several other similar sets being exploited in similar fashion, most revolving around the Nightblade and how their cloak ability let's them get out of combat quick to swap out armor & abilities. If it were to be made the most simple I'd say when an item set procs or an ability is used, you shouldn't be able to swap gear till the effect is gone.
My final thought: This is not the the way the game was meant to be played, and many of you exploiting this know that. If you feel differently though feel free to reply and admit you were using this gear swap method and try to justify it. I haven't seen one yet but I know you Nightblade mains are hiding out there, upset that your exploit is getting fixed but unable to say why.
Yep, that exploit is/was bad, but it'd have been better if they would just simply make it like if you unslot it you lose the buff, not make it into what it is, but tbh I mostly will only use it during sieges and such, and for others spinner will be fine, same for gankers. The problem is, that most exploiters will still find their way, to exploit such things, and if ZoS keeps "fixing" these things like this that will just further ruin the pvp part of the game (and I dont necessary only blame ZoS, but exploiters too its mostly their fault)
But at least, they try to do something against those people, just not necessary the best way
As I suggested I think the way to fix this and any set is if a non persistent self buff is active, you can't swap gear or skills. That or make it so self buffing starts combat.GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.
I can understand the frustration but if console were to ever get addons then you'd run into the same issue. More relevant though is keeping different versions for PC & consolES will lead to a creeping divergence which would be a patch management nightmare. Hard to imagine any IT company would agree to that, especially when in a maintenance mode budget.0 -
Zer0oo✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about? As long as you have the proc you are in combat -> you can't change gear (or simply disable gear change when you have the proc)
- Update 23Ice Furnace: This item set now grants Spell Damage, rather than Weapon Damage for the 4 piece bonus1 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I mean I understand the problem gankers who backbar alchimest have issues, but you still provide your burst you get the burst after the opener, which still will 1shot people.
You have to change your timing a bit, but it still works. This fixes the swap out of gear after buffing and them engage b.s.Edited by yodased on October 10, 2017 3:48PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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✭✭✭✭If a balance change to one gearset ruins your character, you had a bad character.
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KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a nasty fix to people using addons and macros to change out gear before combat, i.e:
Proc set equipment, change gear then enter combat.
If you think Clever Alchemist is the only set that provides this your incorrect. This was to address people crying about being ganked even though they wont use in game abilities and items to combat ganking.
If it was to address people exploiting sets then it failed as many sets still viable for this. I cant even be let down anymore because this is the usual incompetent fix and ESO has always rewarded those who exploit the most.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Does this change affect Skooma Smuggler? I've never used the set, but it seems like the same gear change exploit could be used there for 30s of speed in combat without wearing the set.
I imagine that Skooma Smuggler is often used for utility without being in combat, so the combat required change would not be ideal. A better way to fix this, which should be applied to both sets, would be to remove the bonus when unequipping the gear (not when swapping skill bars).0 -
HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is a nasty fix to people using addons and macros to change out gear before combat, i.e:
Proc set equipment, change gear then enter combat.
If you think Clever Alchemist is the only set that provides this your incorrect. This was to address people crying about being ganked even though they wont use in game abilities and items to combat ganking.
If it was to address people exploiting sets then it failed as many sets still viable for this. I cant even be let down anymore because this is the usual incompetent fix and ESO has always rewarded those who exploit the most.
*gets notepad out* and which sets are those?
This change I think is just the start, clever alchemist was the poster child for this sort of abuse. If most sets using gear swap exploits are reported then we might see more changes, but the folks that know these things are more apt to use them then report them. Then they *** how broken the game is, while not reporting what exploits they are using, which is the really sad thing.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Does this change affect Skooma Smuggler? I've never used the set, but it seems like the same gear change exploit could be used there for 30s of speed in combat without wearing the set.
I imagine that Skooma Smuggler is often used for utility without being in combat, so the combat required change would not be ideal. A better way to fix this, which should be applied to both sets, would be to remove the bonus when unequipping the gear (not when swapping skill bars).
This is happening with any gear set that gives you a 5 piece that persists. You can prebuff and get all these sets buff in stealth using add-ons and macros.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
sirinsidiator✭✭✭✭Maybe instead of blocking it while out of combat, you could instantly purge all shortterm buffs whenever an item leaves an equipment slot? That way it won't require a nerf and still prevent addons from abusing it.Edited by sirinsidiator on October 10, 2017 4:40PMhttps://www.imperialtradingcompany.eu/ - My Addons - The Vault (Early updates and experimental projects) - My patreon - My blog0 -
LUC1D7✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.
This change will be on all platforms once the update goes live, yes. Even though this was most commonly seen on PC due to addon usage, it could technically be done on console too (though it'd be difficult to pull off). We can't have abilities doing different things on different servers, though.
Why don't you just change the set to automatically set you in combat for the initial 15 seconds. This way you can't change gear during the empower buff because you are in combat. That would be a better way of handling this so it can still be a useful set without being exploited.2 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Does this change affect Skooma Smuggler? I've never used the set, but it seems like the same gear change exploit could be used there for 30s of speed in combat without wearing the set.
I imagine that Skooma Smuggler is often used for utility without being in combat, so the combat required change would not be ideal. A better way to fix this, which should be applied to both sets, would be to remove the bonus when unequipping the gear (not when swapping skill bars).
This is happening with any gear set that gives you a 5 piece that persists. You can prebuff and get all these sets buff in stealth using add-ons and macros.
Lol, like moondancer and BSW would get the same treatmeant.....I think not....0 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »This is a nasty fix to people using addons and macros to change out gear before combat, i.e:
Proc set equipment, change gear then enter combat.
If you think Clever Alchemist is the only set that provides this your incorrect. This was to address people crying about being ganked even though they wont use in game abilities and items to combat ganking.
If it was to address people exploiting sets then it failed as many sets still viable for this. I cant even be let down anymore because this is the usual incompetent fix and ESO has always rewarded those who exploit the most.
*gets notepad out* and which sets are those?
This change I think is just the start, clever alchemist was the poster child for this sort of abuse. If most sets using gear swap exploits are reported then we might see more changes, but the folks that know these things are more apt to use them then report them. Then they *** how broken the game is, while not reporting what exploits they are using, which is the really sad thing.
Do your own research - I am under no obligation to spread how people are continually exploiting ESO. If anything ZoS has made this much worse by highlighting 1 set and leaving many sets still viable for this.
You would think, addressing the problem rather than 1 set would of been the goal. Instead how many more players are going to be exploiting now because of this. I would laugh but it is more disheartening than laughing, again exploiters get the upper hand as many, like me, who dont exploit are left under the bus.0 -
Jake1576✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure but there has to be a way around fixing it so people can still use it while in stealth I can't believe you guys admitted your basically nerfing it cause addons for the PC version and making us console players pay for something that doesn't even affect us it's like you guys don't even care anymore about hiding the fact you all don't know what your doing anymoreEdited by Jake1576 on October 10, 2017 5:14PM2
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yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Does this change affect Skooma Smuggler? I've never used the set, but it seems like the same gear change exploit could be used there for 30s of speed in combat without wearing the set.
I imagine that Skooma Smuggler is often used for utility without being in combat, so the combat required change would not be ideal. A better way to fix this, which should be applied to both sets, would be to remove the bonus when unequipping the gear (not when swapping skill bars).
This is happening with any gear set that gives you a 5 piece that persists. You can prebuff and get all these sets buff in stealth using add-ons and macros.
Lol, like moondancer and BSW would get the same treatmeant.....I think not....
Any set that gives you a buff from doing something that persists, if you have bsw proced, are not in combat and you swap it out you will still have it, it's just not viable because you have to do damage, meaning you are in combat and can't swapped. But if you kill something and it procs you can in theory swap, not practical.
Edited by yodased on October 10, 2017 5:27PMTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
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✭✭✭sad, instead of fixing the exploit - preventing the 5 piece bonus to be active even when undressing the set and changing it for other set, they just nerfed Clever Alchemist, sad sad....1 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭The simple solution is if you change gear(and probably skills as well) you lose all your buffs. It doesn't make any sense to add code just for this set when you'll have to do the same for all the other sets eventually.
I thought you guys were against making tons of little changes when one simple change was a better solution.
Throw on lich when you get out of combat and then back to your other set to get free magicka when low. The list goes on....Meritorious Service, Skooma Smuggler, Powerful Assault, and some other sets that would net lesser effects.
Here is another ... kill a wolf with Sithis' Touch and then swap to normal gear and you get 25% more damage for 20 seconds. Guess it's time to remove mobs from cyrodiil eh ZOS?Edited by Teeba_Shei on October 10, 2017 5:50PM0 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So, the majority of the players did not exploit the set but we are punished because of the few who did.
Why not just program it so that
..buff expires if 4 pieces of the set are not equipped during duration
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Might be joking in comments.
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This is incredible ineptitude for an online game. I presumed that when the devs came up with these sets, they considered obvious exploits like this and implemented basic checks. All that needs to happen is for the game to recognize when a 5 piece set is present -- including the back bar -- and removing associated buffs when one piece is unequipped.WrathOfInnos wrote: »Does this change affect Skooma Smuggler? I've never used the set, but it seems like the same gear change exploit could be used there for 30s of speed in combat without wearing the set.
I imagine that Skooma Smuggler is often used for utility without being in combat, so the combat required change would not be ideal. A better way to fix this, which should be applied to both sets, would be to remove the bonus when unequipping the gear (not when swapping skill bars).
This is happening with any gear set that gives you a 5 piece that persists. You can prebuff and get all these sets buff in stealth using add-ons and macros.
The underlying problem should be very easy to resolve. This is 100% ZOS just not caring. Probably because it impacts a tiny minority of customers.
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HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »This is a nasty fix to people using addons and macros to change out gear before combat, i.e:
Proc set equipment, change gear then enter combat.
If you think Clever Alchemist is the only set that provides this your incorrect. This was to address people crying about being ganked even though they wont use in game abilities and items to combat ganking.
If it was to address people exploiting sets then it failed as many sets still viable for this. I cant even be let down anymore because this is the usual incompetent fix and ESO has always rewarded those who exploit the most.
*gets notepad out* and which sets are those?
This change I think is just the start, clever alchemist was the poster child for this sort of abuse. If most sets using gear swap exploits are reported then we might see more changes, but the folks that know these things are more apt to use them then report them. Then they *** how broken the game is, while not reporting what exploits they are using, which is the really sad thing.
Do your own research - I am under no obligation to spread how people are continually exploiting ESO. If anything ZoS has made this much worse by highlighting 1 set and leaving many sets still viable for this.
You would think, addressing the problem rather than 1 set would of been the goal. Instead how many more players are going to be exploiting now because of this. I would laugh but it is more disheartening than laughing, again exploiters get the upper hand as many, like me, who dont exploit are left under the bus.
If you know something is broken it's for your benefit to report it. You don't even need to tell me about it, just give it to ZOS. Don't go by the assumption they know about all the exploits though, or if they know that they will fix it. Typically it requires several players reporting it or a saturation of a major exploit to get action.
In this case, clever alchemist was used by several streamers, blatently, and was being flaunted as a way to wipe of zergs. So it had major impact, easily proved, and was being advertised. That's why you're seeing this fix.
Now, if you know more, say more and/or report it. Don't be one of the ones adding to the problem being tight lipped on exploits because your benefitting or you just don't care. I find it hypocritical to chastise them for not fixing something when you don't give details on what it is they need to fix. That's like complaining the doctor didn't treat your broken rib when all you told them was you had a stuffy nose.1 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »If you know something is broken it's for your benefit to report it. You don't even need to tell me about it, just give it to ZOS. Don't go by the assumption they know about all the exploits though, or if they know that they will fix it. Typically it requires several players reporting it or a saturation of a major exploit to get action.
In this case, clever alchemist was used by several streamers, blatently, and was being flaunted as a way to wipe of zergs. So it had major impact, easily proved, and was being advertised. That's why you're seeing this fix.
Now, if you know more, say more and/or report it. Don't be one of the ones adding to the problem being tight lipped on exploits because your benefitting or you just don't care. I find it hypocritical to chastise them for not fixing something when you don't give details on what it is they need to fix. That's like complaining the doctor didn't treat your broken rib when all you told them was you had a stuffy nose.
I totally disagree and my opinion is based on 3 years of continually seeing people exploit, some stuff is band aid fixed then broke again the next patch. If they coded the sets properly (Like imperial Physique - Which no surprised is bugged again), this situation wouldn't happen. Am i now at fault for poor coding done?
Additionally, i bought the game, subscribe for additional support and buy things off the Crown store which i like. Now your saying it is my onus to do ZoS work for them?. Take time out of my limited playtime i spend after working to do work that, in my opinion, isn't done correctly firstly and secondly i have seen them not address certain issues to this day and thirdly exploiting has been at the heart of ESO since launch because of what i judge to be poor coding/management issues. If you think above, then you are very mistaken.
I 'did' care at a time, mostly 2 years ago but experience has PROVEN this to be a waste of time. I am not wasting more, it is that simple. I dont exploit and never have cheated in ESO and wouldn't encourage it but nor am i wasting my time pushing against an ever growing tide.
EDIT: I will add lastly. Imagine players spending time reporting this bug for ZoS to address Clever Alchimist but leave many more sets viable to do this with. Do you think they feel there time was well spent to see another half-hearted fix on poor coding that should of been solid before being rushed into release?.
Edited by KingMagaw on October 10, 2017 7:05PM0 -
Kalitas✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.
This change will be on all platforms once the update goes live, yes. Even though this was most commonly seen on PC due to addon usage, it could technically be done on console too (though it'd be difficult to pull off). We can't have abilities doing different things on different servers, though.
Why don't you just change the set to automatically set you in combat for the initial 15 seconds. This way you can't change gear during the empower buff because you are in combat. That would be a better way of handling this so it can still be a useful set without being exploited.
Gina, could you please bring this change to the devs? Or is the intent really to punish all players who enjoy the set with a lazy fix, due to the actions of a few? This change is reasonable. It fixes the issue without being a nerf to the set. MagBlade bombers are one of the best tools against the ridiculous "We have more numbers so we win" PVP environment we've currently been forced into. If the intent of ZOS is to promote that boring style of gameplay, that's their prerogative. It is not fun, doesn't make for a deep gameplay experience and will force people to leave the game, as we are already seeing. Remove AOE caps and implement a halfway decent fix to a problem. There's a reason every major streamer is leaving/has left this game. If they haven't left, they tell people not to play if they plan on doing endgame or PVP. I see it everyday from almost every major streamer. People only get upset because they care about the state of the game. A lot of these patch notes were great, there were a lot of solid changes. Please just bring this one to the attention of those who make the changes. Cyrodiil needs some love, it's dying.@Kevin-G | Ajani | Wü-Tang Clan1 -
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@HeroOfNone I understand the issue is anti-exploit but this change has a direct effect on console players where we don't have access to such add-ons to swap gear. I don't believe Zos will implement this change solely for PC and us console players still receive this nerf. It's a shame and it would be great if Zos handled the matter differently.
This change will be on all platforms once the update goes live, yes. Even though this was most commonly seen on PC due to addon usage, it could technically be done on console too (though it'd be difficult to pull off). We can't have abilities doing different things on different servers, though.
Please send some of the Clever Alchemist threads to the development team for review. There are alot of alternative routes that can be taken discussed in them instead of the proposed change many are against.
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HeroOfNone✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »If you know something is broken it's for your benefit to report it. You don't even need to tell me about it, just give it to ZOS. Don't go by the assumption they know about all the exploits though, or if they know that they will fix it. Typically it requires several players reporting it or a saturation of a major exploit to get action.
In this case, clever alchemist was used by several streamers, blatently, and was being flaunted as a way to wipe of zergs. So it had major impact, easily proved, and was being advertised. That's why you're seeing this fix.
Now, if you know more, say more and/or report it. Don't be one of the ones adding to the problem being tight lipped on exploits because your benefitting or you just don't care. I find it hypocritical to chastise them for not fixing something when you don't give details on what it is they need to fix. That's like complaining the doctor didn't treat your broken rib when all you told them was you had a stuffy nose.
I totally disagree and my opinion is based on 3 years of continually seeing people exploit, some stuff is band aid fixed then broke again the next patch. If they coded the sets properly (Like imperial Physique - Which no surprised is bugged again), this situation wouldn't happen. Am i now at fault for poor coding done?
Additionally, i bought the game, subscribe for additional support and buy things off the Crown store which i like. Now your saying it is my onus to do ZoS work for them?. Take time out of my limited playtime i spend after working to do work that, in my opinion, isn't done correctly firstly and secondly i have seen them not address certain issues to this day and thirdly exploiting has been at the heart of ESO since launch because of what i judge to be poor coding/management issues. If you think above, then you are very mistaken.
I 'did' care at a time, mostly 2 years ago but experience has PROVEN this to be a waste of time. I am not wasting more, it is that simple. I dont exploit and never have cheated in ESO and wouldn't encourage it but nor am i wasting my time pushing against an ever growing tide.
EDIT: I will add lastly. Imagine players spending time reporting this bug for ZoS to address Clever Alchimist but leave many more sets viable to do this with. Do you think they feel there time was well spent to see another half-hearted fix on poor coding that should of been solid before being rushed into release?.
You took the time to argue in 3 other replies in this post, saying "there are other sets broken!", not identifying them, and saying this solution sucks. During those post or debating you could have easily opened a report or email and said "Re: Clever Alchemist, check these sets out for the same exploit." That shuts me down, complain away and carry on, I'll even support you on some of that arguement.
Complaining though with no action, the assumption that "ZOS" should know, thst they have a bad track record so thru don't deserve the details to fix the problem isn't the way to call for change however. That's just being negative to serve your own ego, not because you expect them to fix the problem. And if it's not ego based then why have you not dropped the post in 3 replies? The assumption that ZOS can't code it right regardless wouldn't matter how many times you reply.
From my own track record it's been about a 2 week turn around to get a fix. But lately I've been going off the other assumption everyone else makes, ZOS doesn't play it's own game, or at least, not the way you or I do. So, assume they don't and teach them how, it's the only way I've seen effective change.1 -
KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭HeroOfNone wrote: »You took the time to argue in 3 other replies in this post, saying "there are other sets broken!", not identifying them, and saying this solution sucks.
Arguing?. Who am i arguing with?, who is denying that other sets aren't usable in the way they are addressing Clever Alchemist, as in, to proc something that gives enough time to use an addon to change gear and then enter in combat. If you want me to spoon feed you/ZoS into other sets AND encourage people to do this you are wrong again.
Use Google to see how many sets can do this. Or itemisation browser addon. Basically do it yourself.HeroOfNone wrote: »Complaining though with no action, the assumption that "ZOS" should know, thst they have a bad track record so thru don't deserve the details to fix the problem isn't the way to call for change however. That's just being negative to serve your own ego, not because you expect them to fix the problem. And if it's not ego based then why have you not dropped the post in 3 replies? The assumption that ZOS can't code it right regardless wouldn't matter how many times you reply.
If your angle is ZoS wouldn't/couldn't know what sets they have in game that are viable and being exploited, then i cannot take you seriously. They made the sets, they document the sets, the sets are on wiki/any google page you want to search.
The main reason was i was incredulous to see the angle they have taken to address this problem is to address one/only one set?. Who even made that decision rather than addressing the whole. That and to reinforce why my stance has always been ESO has been exploit or be left behind, to you, to others and any new player looking on to see what they are up against.
Again, i am not bashing/insulting anyone here, yet i fully expect these posts to be deleted and most likely me banned from forums again even though i have always advocated ZoS take Cheating more seriously, which should be a proactive and good thing.0 -
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✭HeroOfNone wrote: »You took the time to argue in 3 other replies in this post, saying "there are other sets broken!", not identifying them, and saying this solution sucks.
Arguing?. Who am i arguing with?, who is denying that other sets aren't usable in the way they are addressing Clever Alchemist, as in, to proc something that gives enough time to use an addon to change gear and then enter in combat. If you want me to spoon feed you/ZoS into other sets AND encourage people to do this you are wrong again.
Use Google to see how many sets can do this. Or itemisation browser addon. Basically do it yourself.HeroOfNone wrote: »Complaining though with no action, the assumption that "ZOS" should know, thst they have a bad track record so thru don't deserve the details to fix the problem isn't the way to call for change however. That's just being negative to serve your own ego, not because you expect them to fix the problem. And if it's not ego based then why have you not dropped the post in 3 replies? The assumption that ZOS can't code it right regardless wouldn't matter how many times you reply.
If your angle is ZoS wouldn't/couldn't know what sets they have in game that are viable and being exploited, then i cannot take you seriously. They made the sets, they document the sets, the sets are on wiki/any google page you want to search.
The main reason was i was incredulous to see the angle they have taken to address this problem is to address one/only one set?. Who even made that decision rather than addressing the whole. That and to reinforce why my stance has always been ESO has been exploit or be left behind, to you, to others and any new player looking on to see what they are up against.
Again, i am not bashing/insulting anyone here, yet i fully expect these posts to be deleted and most likely me banned from forums again even though i have always advocated ZoS take Cheating more seriously, which should be a proactive and good thing.
So in short, you think that these other sets are broken, but haven't confirmed? As for myself, I have a list of sets, but until I have then to test or confirm I won't know. There is a big difference and one of the reasons I think certain things get more attention is the diagnosis work is already submitted.
I still see it as the first step in taking care of some of these sets from an obvious existing issue, but whose root cause may take longer because it's buried in code or they need to apply individual fixes to each, when they don't know if each is broken in the same way or if setting it to react only in combat won't break something else.
As unbelievable as it sounds though, documenting these exploits like ZOS doesn't have a clue has seemed to have pretty direct results. Whether it be because it's put out there in terms even a newbie could copy it (and they want to prevent mimics) or because they don't know, it's up for you to decide.1 -
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✭HeroOfNone wrote: »So in short, you think that these other sets are broken, but haven't confirmed? As for myself, I have a list of sets, but until I have then to test or confirm I won't know. There is a big difference and one of the reasons I think certain things get more attention is the diagnosis work is already submitted.
I have had discussions with other people who confirm other sets work the same way as Clever Alchemist works. I am not going to spend my gold and time into testing as i wont exploit them or get nailed by ZoS for exploiting them, even under the guise of 'testing'. Also i should add, the diagnosis should of been completed and identified before the rushed release of them, like Clever Alchemist should of been caught by the QA department before being released, like ~19 months ago.HeroOfNone wrote: »As unbelievable as it sounds though, documenting these exploits like ZOS doesn't have a clue has seemed to have pretty direct results. Whether it be because it's put out there in terms even a newbie could copy it (and they want to prevent mimics) or because they don't know, it's up for you to decide.
Squandering my limited playtime to do work that falls under ZoS remit isn't an action i will continue. I bought the game and additionally support through monetary means under the guise that i would be able to play and be semi competitive, at the minimum on a 'fair' playing field. That is a mistake i have made is to assume that and if anything that is my goal is to inform others that this is far from true.
Apologies if you disagree or think otherwise. I won't discourage you/others from doing so but don't be expecting others to follow suit because that is not the case my ~3 years game time has shown me. This will be my last reply here because i have said all that needs to be said on my part and hopefully others/ZoS can read this and learn.
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