@Zvorgin

You'll probably get one of the following answers to your post:

1. Ganking is already close to impossible. There are so many counters.
2. The ganking player has to sacrifice so much to stack his damage through the roof.
3. Ganking is a part of the game.
4. You're just a scrub and need to L2P.

Pick your favourite choice.

Voxicity wrote: »

I don't run this set but it is clear ZOS wants to cater towards more casual gameplay (ie holding block and spamming a few skills while being unkillable unless zerged) rather than skill

(inb4 people say ganking requires no skill but don't understand the judgement of surroundings and ability to escape after the gank that is required)

Guess I'll roll a permablocking magplar BoL spamming unkillable piece of aids next patch :^)

Yes, that is why they nerfed block and BoL the last few patches, because they want people to do both.

They aren't trying to stop gankers, they are trying to stop bombers.

Jake1576 wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

I don't run this set but it is clear ZOS wants to cater towards more casual gameplay (ie holding block and spamming a few skills while being unkillable unless zerged) rather than skill

(inb4 people say ganking requires no skill but don't understand the judgement of surroundings and ability to escape after the gank that is required)

Guess I'll roll a permablocking magplar BoL spamming unkillable piece of aids next patch :^)

Yes, that is why they nerfed block and BoL the last few patches, because they want people to do both.

They aren't trying to stop gankers, they are trying to stop bombers.

Doesn't matter tho either or by nerfing clever alchemist it also affects gankers if they just wanted to stop bombers they should just remove the spell damage it gives and make it where it only gives weapon damage they aren't trying to just stop bombers they are also trying to nerf this set to stop gankers it clearly says to stop one shotting from stealth which is ridiculous cause with all the people wearing heavy armor or shield stacking a one shot while using clever alchemist is rare now it will even be more so the devs don't play their game or they would know that this change isn't needed

Without as many gankers we'll see less heavy armor. You basically said it yourself that heavy armor is prevalent because of the number of gankers that are in Cyrodiil. Good players will still beat bad players and fewer gankers will mean more players in Cyrodiil.

BigBadVolk wrote: »

Heavy armor meta will stay, gankers and bombers will find other sets for their use, and in big pug groups, there will always be a squishy member who will help in a massive one shot, but people realize that perfect solo bombing and ganking still needs some skill and patience, you can't go in anytime, at least if you dont time things well you're f.... up. Also if someone get ganked or bombed, thats their own fault, not a sets or feature's fault. For God's sake its a full pvp zone, always be prepared for action and only go afk if you're hiding somewhere or you're in a keep
RIP alchemist we never forget you bombers of Cyrodiil!!

By that logic they never should have touched blocking either as it was the sets/features that caused it to be effective and it was the fault of non-permablockers not to run the builds. Zos clearly doesn't want to promote that style of play and that's what we are seeing. In this case, I agree with them because it's poor game design to have massive burst out of stealth and immediate return to stealth.

Izaki wrote: »

Its still possible to use clever alch for ganking. Charge up bow heavy attack (or a snipe), let it go, then drink potion and continue your combo. Since those things have slow travel times, you will be put in combat but you will also drink the potion before the thingy hits.

That doesn't even work due to Miatts addon. As soon as you hover over someone they get INDICATORS that they are under attack. Was a recent thread with only ~9,200 views that ZoS shut down rather than comment on you might of missed.


Additionally, PvP has always been an exploit fest with more private addons than you know. It is not like a new player starts the game with these addons, how many times is their gaming experience negatively impacted because they aren't on a level playing field.

It is already impossible to burst a lot of people from stealth, me included now i run the Heavy Armour Meta. 1 Shield negates Spriggans or any armour penetration. 1 Breath of life your back to full HP. Wearing medium armour is worthless now.

Clever alchemist had a proc animation to glow your arms, very visible. All opponent needed was wait out (Mostly shield spam) 15 seconds and you have negated a 5 set bonus. Wearing spriggans or set that gives crit, shield negates that also. Shield ulti and you have negated C.A. Radiant magelight, detect potion, wearing impen, the game provides many ways to combat stealth hits coupled with the continuous nerfing.

So players cant gank the healers at the back of a zerg?, or the player seiging at the back of the line?.

Fine get used to either playing in a BALL GROUP light attack spamming everything with no skill or getting farmed by being rolled over by 30 players. The zerg mentality in ESO is simply getting worse with no room for the solo player.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

geonsocal wrote: »

i know folks will come and go...eso and elseweyr...

being a solo player - most of the folks I relate to are on this forum...

you have a great perspective on the game (which is normally pretty darn humorous) and a solid voice of reason...plus, you have a way with memes

I won't ever leave eso entirely , having too much love for the lore and the friends . Changes like this to CA , that nobody asked for btw , are ones that drive me away from PVP . We had a huge damage nerf accross the board with the removal of a lot of proc set power last patch . That was great and needed ! But no one looked at changing the healing or defenses to compensate for the meta change . So we ended up in the end with a Defence meta which is way slower and boring then any burst meta ever was . This is what I think would be common sense with balance and we knew more changes were coming so I said ok and stayed optimistic ! Well , those changes are here and it's more offensive nerfs in a Defence heavy meta .

Ever watch heavy weight boxing and get bored when the two guys have to hug each other to death in the 8th and 9th round ? Their just exhausted , sweating and making more love then war . I usually go out for chips and salsa when that starts and get back in time for the judges decision . Because it's pretty slow and boring to me . That's PVP after these changes to me .

Agree. I was watching a couple yolo swag try hards dueling the other day. Pretty much had indentical builds.

As a spectator, it was slow and frankly boring to watch. People shield stacking and heavy attacking until their ultimate is ready.

I guess that's fun for people.

Feanor wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

As a player who cant gank if her life depended on it and gets ganked regularly (read: not a ca nightblade), they need to revert this change. They need to keep options open in order for this playstyle to remain viable. Stealth gank has plenty of counters already and theres no reason in pve for this nerf..

You quite missed the point the change tried to address. It's not ganking per se but gear swapping. Whether their solution is sound is an entirely different question.

Clever Alchemist is the ONLY set you can pre-buff switch out to another set before combat???. It is NOT so this is hardly a fix for what you mention although it would be the primary candidate, it is by no means the only one.

This was to address players who dont use in game abilities to combat ganking. If it was to address buffing/switching armour pre-combat there is a few more sets that do this LOL

As a nightblade I have never ran clever alc personally find the set too easy and only good for bombing. I’m glad they nerfed this. I have no problem jumping a player dealing a wonderful chunk of his health and then putting insane pressure on him to finish him off

Not to be rude, but I'm fairly sure armor and weapons are made for combat. So being in combat to use them properly sounds normal to me.

Boycott PvP . lol...

My mouth is dry after all that salt. wow. Also had no idea alchemist was being used like this (swapping gear after drinking the pot). Did someone spill the beans and told them or did a dev discover the exploit while playing?