Do you have trouble using synergies?

Tasear · October 2017

Zbigb4life wrote: »

Everytime is see 'use the synergy' and I press the buttons I don't seem to get them

What kind of latency do you have? I am wondering if it's not just timing but a disparity in the amount of time people have to click the synergy.

paulsimonps · October 2017

Tasear wrote: »

Zbigb4life wrote: »

Everytime is see 'use the synergy' and I press the buttons I don't seem to get them

What kind of latency do you have? I am wondering if it's not just timing but a disparity in the amount of time people have to click the synergy.

That's the issue though, with people moving and the synergies sometimes moving its next to impossible to use them. The window is too short cause only one person can see the prompt and that person is constantly changing. I can't stress enough the importance of letting multiple people see the prompt at the same time. It will fix A LOT of the issues we are all having.

Porter_H · October 2017

I have trouble using them on the PS4.... they seem to just disappear and then reappear. No issue on PC though.

Runefang · October 2017

I'm Aussie so my ping sits on the 300 mark generally. To get a synergy to work I normally have to stand right where the synergy ability is, wait one to two seconds for the prompt, then press X for it to work.

If it's orbs or the like where the synergy ability is moving I basically give up on trying because the window of when the game lets me press X and it actually going off is too small to work consistently.

As a healer I just refuse to slot Orbs for that reason unless I'm in a trial or somebody specifically asks me for it (once in a million dungeons does that happen).

Joy_Division · October 2017

Yes.

Often times waste global cooldowns in fruitful attempts to activate them. Very frustrating.

Suggestion: Whatever mechanic is used in Maelstrom Arena to activate the buff synergies: use that. They are extremely sensitive in that if I barely twitch my mouse around these, they are immediately activated, even with +500 ping,

DeathHouseInc · October 2017

Invincible wrote: »

Not worth it to attempt to use synegies. You lose 2-3-4 seconds trying to find the right position where the game will register the key press. They're just as buggy as rezzing if not more.

Damn I thought I just sucked at rezzing and using synergies.

rossk25 · October 2017

I used to have necrotic orbs slotted, until I realized that no one would actually use the synergies. Now I just replace it with something else.

The other issue for me as someone who plays eso in Aus, lag can make it almost impossible to actually use a synergy.

mocap · October 2017

i think tanks still use that Templar's spear shard, cuz usualy they stand near the boss all the time and have this synergy.

newtinmpls · October 2017

If there was a way to combine "Yes" and "I don't bother" I would have picked it.

They are so frustrating, hard to target and basically useless unless the RNG gods smile on you (and those are pretty darn frowny gods, lemme tell ya).

newtinmpls · October 2017

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

I'm reading this thread with great interest. As a healer, I have to rely on others for feedback when it comes to synergy usage. My priority is ensuring my tank has regular access to shards - and I get the impression that shards is one of the easier synergies to 'catch'.

My (and my group's) experience is that shards are almost impossible to catch.

I do tend to have some success with the undaunted "roll-a-ball-o-synergy" (can NOT think of the name), but that's largely in part to me throwing many of them out - and they tend to be pretty darn visible - and you know when you hit one.

Rezzing people? Oh good lord, yuck. I barely can find the "catch"; there is one guy in our group who for some reason is really good at rez targeting, so it usually lands on him. When he goes - it's dominos.

newtinmpls · October 2017

Ulo wrote: »

My biggest problem with synergies is that using them usually messes up my rotation, they don't flow into combat very well as opossed to weaving in your own abilites while light/heavy attacking.

I was thinking about this.

Good post; highlights one of the main ... general issues with higher level/vet ESO combat. It requires a high degree of manual dexterity and serious dancing button-pushing.

If "it" (whatever "it" might be) doesn't mesh well with this high-speed tango, then "it" will go by the wayside ... for many players.

Some of us more mellow types will still use the non-optimal things, or everyone will when there is no choice, but the way that the game is structured to require speed typing is creating some problems here.

Merlin13KAGL · October 2017

Some of the hitboxes for activation are really particular, with apparent dead-zones right in the middle.

Tasear · October 2017

newtinmpls wrote: »

Ulo wrote: »

My biggest problem with synergies is that using them usually messes up my rotation, they don't flow into combat very well as opossed to weaving in your own abilites while light/heavy attacking.

I was thinking about this.

Good post; highlights one of the main ... general issues with higher level/vet ESO combat. It requires a high degree of manual dexterity and serious dancing button-pushing.

If "it" (whatever "it" might be) doesn't mesh well with this high-speed tango, then "it" will go by the wayside ... for many players.

Some of us more mellow types will still use the non-optimal things, or everyone will when there is no choice, but the way that the game is structured to require speed typing is creating some problems here.

So maybe it's the button that's part of the issue? What if it was 6 instead of x or button next to swap bars?

paulsimonps · October 2017

Tasear wrote: »

newtinmpls wrote: »

Ulo wrote: »

My biggest problem with synergies is that using them usually messes up my rotation, they don't flow into combat very well as opossed to weaving in your own abilites while light/heavy attacking.

I was thinking about this.

Good post; highlights one of the main ... general issues with higher level/vet ESO combat. It requires a high degree of manual dexterity and serious dancing button-pushing.

If "it" (whatever "it" might be) doesn't mesh well with this high-speed tango, then "it" will go by the wayside ... for many players.

Some of us more mellow types will still use the non-optimal things, or everyone will when there is no choice, but the way that the game is structured to require speed typing is creating some problems here.

So maybe it's the button that's part of the issue? What if it was 6 instead of x or button next to swap bars?

That has little to do with it, as a Tank I aim to use as many synergies as I can. I am always on top of that, but I can spam that button all I like, it rarely helps. From what I understand using a synergy also waits until your current Global cooldown is over, aka using a synergy won't animation cancel it into you using that synergy unlike blocking or bar swapping. So with the low window of opportunity to use it, and the fact that it waits its turn in the GCD makes it hard to use. Changing one or both of these will do a lot in making synergies more reliable to use.

Make everyone in the radius of the Synergy get the prompt
Make Synergies animation cancel into immediately using the Synergy

These are things that could really help with all the problems we have been seeing.

AverageJo3Gam3r · October 2017

Console tank here. Yes, I do have issues. Sometimes it will pop up and then go away before I hit the two-button combo to synergize. Some synergies are worse than others. Healing orbs is horrible to hit, as I can't chase after them. This is really unfortunate because it forces the tank to rely on spear shards. It doesn't mesh with ZOS's design of allowing any class to heal since orbs are unusable by the tank.

With the rise of the pet meta, I've noticed synergies are harder to hit. I've heard a rumor that pets steal synergy prompts. I believe this to be the case. For example, I was in vet Mazz HM the other day with two pet sorcs+templar healer. I would only get the prompt for synergizing liquid lightning about 1/4 of the time it was cast. I know no one else was hitting the synergy because everyone else was at range. My only explanation is the pets were stealing the synergy prompt.

FluffyReachWitch · October 2017

A frequent scenario: My girlfriend uses Talons. I start trying to press X to deal extra damage to all trapped enemies. Then I spend a few seconds looking for the spot where the game will prompt me to press X. Suddenly the effect has worn off without any synergy being used.

Ashtaris · October 2017

Yes, usually the tank still has problems picking up shards even when they are right in front of them. We are in voice comms most of the time and many times I'm hearing "I can't pick it up". Usually they have to run around the shard and finally they might be able to use the synergy for it. For God's sake ZOS, if you want us to use shards for resource management, at least make the synergy somewhat reliable.
Several PTS patches so far and still no improvement. @ZOS_RichLambert , @ZOS_GinaBruno

OrdoHermetica · October 2017

It's not just synergies, it's anything that uses the same button press mechanic. As others have mentioned, the Blade of Woe is sometimes super sketchy/doesn't do anything when pressed, and a couple days ago I had an epic 15-minute-long werewolf streak ended because the "Devour" prompt didn't work on a couple of corpses (pressed X, nothing happened). But synergies too, yes.

And it does seem like mashing the button makes it less likely to work, because it'll try to restart the animation or whatever, but it's hard to NOT mash the button when the first couple tries may not register. I think a fairly simple partial fix would be to prevent pressing X again from interrupting - you'd still have dodgy "have to stand at exactly this angle to use this" moments, but at least when you DID get into the right angle you wouldn't accidentally interrupt yourself.

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2017

They need to up the time on activating synergies, because they have a tendency to disappear far too easily.

Tasear · October 2017

Maybe it would work if we allowed synergy plus another command.

ArcaneBlue · October 2017

no-synergy happens the most often with nova, at least for me.
when I tank, I keep the boss as still as possible, a templar drops nova, no synergy prompt pops up.
well at least I can see nova, unlike some other AOEs with no synergies...

paulsimonps · October 2017

ArcaneBlue wrote: »

no-synergy happens the most often with nova, at least for me.
when I tank, I keep the boss as still as possible, a templar drops nova, no synergy prompt pops up.
well at least I can see nova, unlike some other AOEs with no synergies...

Problem I have had with Nova is actually much different than other synergies. It shows up, I have the prompt, I never lose the prompt and I spam the button and I hear the sound of my character trying to do it, but nothing happens and the Nova runs out without anyone having used the synergy.

Chronicburn · October 2017

Xbox here ... I usually running around mashing keys trying to maintain some semblance of a rotation, and honestly when the thing pops up to hit b and y I'm usually surprised for a sec and by the time I realize what it was an look back it's gone ...
as I get more experienced with my own skills I'm sure I'll find them easier to hit

Baconlad · October 2017

They either need to remove synergies, or fix them. Its infurating that i have an awesome ultimate i cant use because of synergies....nova

You would think that a fragment of sun would deal the massive damage upfront...it does not, it instead deals piddly damage (even compared to similarly buffed eye of the storm) its like 2.5k a sec in cyrodil...horrible

Baconlad · October 2017

Come to think of it...every class has a synergy ultimate im sure we would all love if the synergies were removed

Sorc atronach comes to mind for a weak ultimate...i laugh when i see a sorc hit that expensive ult..."this is going to be an easy kill"

ADarklore · October 2017

The timing on Synergy prompt activation needs to be lengthened. At Dark Anchors I'll see the prompt and before I can even begin to move to press the button, the prompt is gone.

WrathOfInnos · October 2017

It's not usually the timing that makes the synergy disappear. As @paulsimonps has been saying, if there are 2 people standing on a synergy, only one will get the option to activate it. I'm not sure how the game prioritized who gets the synergy, but everyone else receives no prompt to press x. So if you are about to use a synergy, and someone else walks by, suddenly the synergy may be available to them and disappear from your screen until they move out of range. This effect is much worse in trials with a group of 12, and crowded places like Dolmens and PVP zergs can be even worse. Basically find some elbow room if you want to be able to use/see a synergy.

@ZOS_RichLambert please allow everyone within range to receive the synergy prompt, instead of one randomly selected individual. The current synergy behavior has to be a bug.

newtinmpls · October 2017

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

So if you are about to use a synergy, and someone else walks by, suddenly the synergy may be available to them and disappear from your screen until they move out of range.

Oh this makes too much sense.

So I miss it, 'cause now it's displaying for someone else. Then they miss it, and so on till it runs out.

I think that might be what's happening.

Flameheart · October 2017

The bubble synergy annoys me.

Bubble floats to you, at 5 to 10m range synergy pops up for a second at max, so if you aren't lurking for it because you have to do something else you might probably miss it, bubble floats through you but no synergy shows up, bubble floats away and pops up again at 5-10m range for a second at max.

Who in hell, has developed this f.. annoying synergy mechanic ?

paulsimonps · October 2017

newtinmpls wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

So if you are about to use a synergy, and someone else walks by, suddenly the synergy may be available to them and disappear from your screen until they move out of range.

Oh this makes too much sense.

So I miss it, 'cause now it's displaying for someone else. Then they miss it, and so on till it runs out.

I think that might be what's happening.

That is what is happening, and with something like the orbs that has a moving point of origin its a pita to the max to get it cause not only are we moving, it is as well. Swapping the prompt between players every half second until someone finally gets it or it disappears.