Do you have trouble using synergies?

Takuto

They need to revert synergies to the previous larger activation areas, and make it so that one key press can activate multiple-synergies OR that synergies animation cancel each other, so you can rapidly cycle through all the synergies available.

I was noticing issues with this yesterday in dsa when the DK in group would use talons, I'd try to synergize it only for the the mob nearest me to die an the synergy to disappear even though several others were still alive.

Similarly I have been cursed with a rather trollish spear-chunking templar in guild who likes to throw spears just a bit out of range to force me to chase them.

MercTheMage

YES YES YES YES YES. its extremely hard to synergize, like in ICP with the flesh grenades, you have to stand on them for like 4 years before the prompt pops up

Personofsecrets

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

/lurk

@ZOS_RichLambert , I have a haiku for you

Appear-disappear
Where did the synergy go?
Nobody used it...

Rich, I just won't hold any punches with regards to this synergy matter which should be overly-obvious to the development team considering how long and hard you all pushed synergies despite their being a total lack of interest in using synergies by the community.

Hunting around for synergies that might be still around, but may have been used, but could just be available for use a meter away is absolute booty. It is totally butts for huge DPS increases and resource management utopia to be locked behind wiggling around to find where x marks the spot.

Also, too high too low - figured that you haven't read about that in a while. I hope that you are doing well.

Personofsecrets

It is hard to decide what the worst synergy in the game is; bone shield, orbs, standard, and nova are all pretty bad. Inner rage is really strange working as well.

The easiest synergies to use are liquid lightning and shards.

Avran_Sylt

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger, visible to all nearby players, and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

Iselin

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

I'd be happy with just the radius increase part and quicker response.

paulsimonps

Iselin wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

I'd be happy with just the radius increase part and quicker response.

bigger radius solves very little unless they make it so multiple people can get the prompt at the same time.

Anhedonie

Synergy range of Burning Talons, Liquid Lightning and Mystic Orbs is too small.
And I like to use synergies like a madman. Gotta use them all.

Avran_Sylt

paulsimonps wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

I'd be happy with just the radius increase part and quicker response.

bigger radius solves very little unless they make it so multiple people can get the prompt at the same time.

@paulsimonps
If multiple people were to be able to see synergies, would my proposed idea of a radial menu after press+hold be intuitive for you?

max_only

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

I'd be happy with just the radius increase part and quicker response.

bigger radius solves very little unless they make it so multiple people can get the prompt at the same time.

@paulsimonps
If multiple people were to be able to see synergies, would my proposed idea of a radial menu after press+hold be intuitive for you?

The fact that there's a radial menu in the game in the first place sucks tbh.

paulsimonps

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

Would it be possible to make the synergy radius larger and then make holding 'X' (Synergy Button) pop up a radial menu of the nearby synergies? Console users can then flick the view thumb-stick to choose the synergy, and PC players can move their mouse. Releasing the synergy button will choose the currently selected synergy.

Just tapping the synergy button will auto-cast the top-most (Most recent) synergy.

All the rest of y'all, would this be easy for you to use?

I'd be happy with just the radius increase part and quicker response.

bigger radius solves very little unless they make it so multiple people can get the prompt at the same time.

@paulsimonps
If multiple people were to be able to see synergies, would my proposed idea of a radial menu after press+hold be intuitive for you?

Not sure I would like it, for me casting synergies needs to be fast and responsive, not sure if this would be fast enough. At the moment it definitely is not.

Avran_Sylt

What if Synergies had their own separate GCD?

Then, pressing the synergy button wouldn't throw any kinks into players rotations, and the effect would be a helluva lot more responsive. The downside would perhaps be how animations collide (if any), and could potentially skyrocket DPS for groups that know how to use synergies well.

The issue of multiple synergies stacking would still persist (which is why i think after holding the synergy button a raidal menu popping up would be nice)

Skullstachio

I have little to no problems with synergies, but when one turns into a werewolf on the other hand, Then synergies become a major problem.

flintstone

itehache wrote: »

Not always, but sometimes I am pressing X like a mad person and it won't work

Ya, I try to get them but I miss about 75%......X,X,X,X

Personofsecrets

This will be "fixed" in 2 more years.

Tasear

Personofsecrets wrote: »

This will be "fixed" in 2 more years.

Let's believe it's being looked at

bebynnag

Krayzie wrote: »

On Xbox when there's other people around ill stand there and smash the synergy nothing will happen or I cannot align myself properly to use it and it'll dissapear everytime I go to activate it

or when you press Y&B it instead activates the skills you have assigned to Y&B

LadyLethalla

On PS4 we can't remap buttons (on the standard Sony controller, anyway. I believe the option is available for custom controllers like Skuf... but I don't have a spare couple hundred $ for one).
As I've had a lot of problems with swapping bars I like to use the controller layout that uses Hold Triangle to swap bars and circle to Crouch. As a result, a lot of the time when I go to use a synergy it doesn't recognise the input of two buttons I'm spamming, and I end up crouching like an idiot. Would be hilarious to an observer.

RavenSworn

It's definitely an issue and something needs to be done. How about we pool our ideas together in this thread? That way, for that someone who is /lurk might have a better idea on how to tackle this issue.

- An idea of mine is to hold that synergy window up for more than 3s. Also, don't let it be overridden by leter synergy until it is used. We already have a cool down for synergies, let's make better use of that cool down. It should be:

Rotation - synergy - rotation.

- Let the synergy window affect the nearest player, making orbs more 'useful' in mobile fights. This might force more coordination for groups but the skill floor needs to be raised in group fights anyways.

- Allow multiple players to activate the synergy since there is a cool down anyway. You can add a limit to 4 allies so it won't be abused to an extent but still allow synergies to be integral to a players general rotation.

-RavenSworn

grannas211

Absolutely. Also on PS4 the Rez button is also the menu button. So a lot of times you'll go to Rez and end up in your menu. Very annoying.

Azurya

never again since I changed the key-binding for it

Cherryblossom

Some synergies seem ok, however the majority either I don't get to use or they simply don't work.

I find that I can always use the Templars Cleansing Ritual (or Morphs), Dk Standard, Sorc Lightning Splash, Nb Consuming Darkness and Soul Shred.

all others I find hit an miss, as to there being a prompt or even mashing X even getting it to work.

I've not seen a Synergie for Talons in Months, although I've been with DKs that are using it.

Orbs sometimes only get the prompt after the orb is out of range! (lag maybe!)

RoyalPink06

As a healer, I decided not to bother with twilight remedy set since my teammates usually either ignore the synergies or try and fail to pick them up. I have trouble myself as well. It's clunky on PS4.

I love when I'm about to blade of woe someone and the syngery switches to Feed right as I hit the buttons. Just kidding, I hate that.

Trashkan

The atro synergy is the hardest of all but gives the best buff I swear the timer is 1/4 second.

Tasear

Feels like have been easier to use like one from aggro fire.

Fuxo

Activating Nova's synergy (Gravity crush/Supernova) is pretty challenging even for a tank. The radius is very small and it's usually hidden under weaker Conduit synergy anyway.

The system should be completely reworked into a "synergy bar". After pressing X, you would switch to a separate skill bar, where you could use 1-6 buttons to activate a synergy. That bar could be dynamic, so up to 5 synergies would be added to that bar, with ultimate synergies (like from Nova) would always be put into the Ultimate slot (6).

Afterwards, the game could introduce many more synergies to elevate teamplay and the synergy bar could be polished so it's more user friendly, etc.

Tasear

Fuxo wrote: »

Activating Nova's synergy (Gravity crush/Supernova) is pretty challenging even for a tank. The radius is very small and it's usually hidden under weaker Conduit synergy anyway.

The system should be completely reworked into a "synergy bar". After pressing X, you would switch to a separate skill bar, where you could use 1-6 buttons to activate a synergy. That bar could be dynamic, so up to 5 synergies would be added to that bar, with ultimate synergies (like from Nova) would always be put into the Ultimate slot (6).

Afterwards, the game could introduce many more synergies to elevate teamplay and the synergy bar could be polished so it's more user friendly, etc.

@ZOS_RichLambert this idea is interesting

IcyDeadPeople

Marto wrote: »

I honestly wonder how ZOS can even fix this issue.

Perhaps some sort of visual aid? A pillar of light of a specific color that appears when a synergy is avaliable, and appears where you need to stand to activate it.

Just little bit larger radius would do it. Pretty sure it was a bigger at launch, no? I think the range at which you can activate synergy was reduced at some point.

Jade1986

Sometimes I see it, but by the time I react the option to use it is gone, then reappears. Like it is nearly teasing me.

Zbigb4life

Everytime is see 'use the synergy' and I press the buttons I don't seem to get them